Evinrude Test Center Auction, Stuart, FL

**Instigator** · 11-27-2020, 05:03 PM

Really?
What did they say?

To me, that project was the perfect V-6 two Stroke.

Originally Posted by Chaz

2010 ish ... there was "starboard~starboard" testing .. None of the guys I spoke to liked it.

**FUJIMO** · 11-27-2020, 05:25 PM

...gary, can you imagine the amount of money they put into its development? and then stopped producing it? holy crap, what a loss. so many different two stroke, trim, steering, & gearcase design changes to boggle the mind, compared to previous products. i think the only simular item in its operation with prior rudes, were the fluids...

...i will say this...it was different. i also don't get why all this effort, money & brain power, had to lay waste & could be not sold to someone else that could have produced it in some transitional way? i'm beginning to think the evinrude name is jinxed or something...

**Instigator** · 11-27-2020, 07:20 PM

Yep.

I was only curious as to what Chaz heard from his insiders of what they didn’t like about the starboard starboard motor.

I can tell you I’m deep enough into V-6 looper tuning to see the port and starboard banks flow totally different.
If I get serious on a project, I see two main jet sizes from side to side.

As in, starboard side runs way better (crank rotation) than the port.

So two starboard?
I heard it was working good.

The rest of the crap they improved/changed/updated/replaced?
Only the bean counters know for sure.

Originally Posted by FUJIMO

...gary, can you imagine the amount of money they put into its development? and then stopped producing it? holy crap, what a loss. so many different two stroke, trim, steering, & gearcase design changes to boggle the mind, compared to previous products. i think the only simular item in its operation with prior rudes, were the fluids...

...i will say this...it was different. i also don't get why all this effort, money & brain power, had to lay waste & could be not sold to someone else that could have produced it in some transitional way? i'm beginning to think the evinrude name is jinxed or something...

**FUJIMO** · 11-27-2020, 09:34 PM

...it is nothing like any evinrude v-6 powerhead ever made before. nothing interchanges from old to new. all new block design, induction & injection system and single-sided exhaust system. the trim system is totally different. the gearcase is a different design. it shifts electrically via a large removable accuator mounted into the front top of the gearcase. the gearcase has a remote mounted fill & over-pressure reservoir system, and on and on. they spent a fortune, designing, tooling, & marketing an all-new clean sheet of paper outboard, in various horsepowers. thrown by the wayside. makes absolutely no sense. they did have warranty issues, large & small, which aren't worth going into...but suffice to say, did come into play on they're decision.

**Chaz** · 11-27-2020, 11:41 PM

I think a lot of it was old dogs new tricks , or maybe better said .. new ways of doing things along the chain of command. Remember, those guys who were there had their way for a long time.
If it was your job to test stuff and it broke, you would want a least a few .. or a dozen more on hand. Hang another one and start logging hours (to see if it was a fluke), pull the broke one apart to see what and why, and another brand new one down to see if parts were out of tolerance .. or if they could do a little "hand fitting" to cure the issue.
Nope, good or bad, box it up and send it back. Gotta be frustrating.
Like Fugi said, all new .. and maybe somewhat rushed to market. With a lot of "designer parts" that looked George Jetson , but had too many flaws.
I never pried beyond what was within earshot. First time I heard star-star .. I had no idea what they were talking about. Didn't for a long time. None of my buiz so I didn't ask. Prob why the guru gotz three invoices in my rack now ..

**Markus** · 11-28-2020, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by InjectorService

Could be cool, maybe an OMC themed restaurant?

All dishes can be ordered in three serving sizes: V4, V6 and V8

**H2OPERF** · 11-28-2020, 07:41 AM

The curse is entrenched old dogs not listening to many other street wise dealer/mechanics that have seen it all, this has been their problem for years. The g2 basic powerhead is solid and built pretty much bullet proof on old school omc roots with looper big rods, big crank and bearings with the proven etec fuel system,I dont think anyone can complained about that part other than it wasnt 400hp. These engines are torque monsters and run really nice I think the biggest initial complaint was the cowling system, not only was it marginally accepted asthetically but it's a royal pain in the ass with alot of small screws to loose. There were many small issues from what i hear but any time a solution was suggested it fell on deaf ears, typical...

**FUJIMO** · 11-28-2020, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Markus

All dishes can be ordered in three serving sizes: V4, V6 and V8

...this would be evinrude type of timing, to open a big restaurant...

...for desert, you could order your gal the evinrude ice cream...

**Markus** · 11-29-2020, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by H2OPERF

The g2 basic powerhead is solid and built pretty much bullen proof on old school omc roots with looper big rods, big crank and bearings with the proven etec fuel system,

It would have been the perfect product. In 1997.

Originally Posted by H2OPERF

I dont think anyone can complained about that part other than it wasnt 400hp.

It needed a sticker on the cowling on which it said 4-stroke. That’s what today’s consumers want.

**Markus** · 11-29-2020, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by FUJIMO

...this would be evinrude type of timing, to open a big restaurant...

...for desert, you could order your gal the evinrude ice cream...

yep. Which brings you to your other post above:

The Evinrude name is not jinxed. The owners of the brand made two big mistakes, which are easy to see in hindsight:

1. OMC was too late in realizing that with the advent of the Japanese, consumer preferences had changed to reliable outboards. Mercury got it much quicker, made big strides in quality in the early nineties, and scraped by. OMC lost 10 years, made big strides just before bankruptcy, but in the end went bankrupt.

2. BRP was too late in realizing that 2-strokes had too much baggage, and that consumers wanted 4-strokes. Mercury got it much quicker, launched the Verado, got independent of Yamaha, launched more 4-strokes, launched the V8s, and rose to industry leadership. BRP lost 20 years developing a great 2-stroke, and shut down Evinrude rather than investing in a 4-stroke product range.

They were fighting the last war.

**Capt.Insane-o** · 11-29-2020, 03:40 AM

I ****ing hate changing oil.

**powerabout** · 11-29-2020, 06:50 AM

The production engines missed a decent efi pre 2000 then the punters got modern efi on four slugs hence decided four strokrs are much better.
Love to hotrod an in the front efi stb stb engine.

**H2OPERF** · 11-29-2020, 08:51 AM

Love to hotrod an in the front efi stb stb engine. Yup me too

, will be super simple, they already have flat top pistons and with a good ecu you could use the existing E-throttle so nothing really to do on the front side except glass reeds and some injectors, they even put the starter on the right side for us.

**powerabout** · 11-29-2020, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by FUJIMO

...this would be evinrude type of timing, to open a big restaurant...

...for desert, you could order your gal the evinrude ice cream...

ice cream, isnt that where it all started?

**H2OPERF** · 11-29-2020, 09:39 AM

Marcus I totally agree on most of what you said but on the other hand I think there is a huge market for dfi 2 strokes just not in the 250hp and up range. If Yamaha came out with a 25-50hp dfi 2 stroke tomorrow they would probably sell like hotcakes. I think the damage to the brand name was beyond timely recovery regardless of the product...time not many companies can endure in this day and age .