3.6 V8 Cylinder/Piston/Head Condition - Opinions Needed!!!

[keefallan]

Chris, as far as a machine shop goes, ask on here about anyone near you(adjacent states) if you cant find a reputable outboard machine shop. I have one horror story of a bad machinist in my area. At least I only have one and I learned. There arent any good one's in my area. I shipped my blocks south after that. I know there has got to be good machinists in the area near Wisconsin and Ohio if you cant find one where you are. But maybe I am wrong. I dont live there. Heck, I thought there was good one in my area too.......... But the one thing I DO know is this: If the block's not right............ and thats why I ship 'em out.

[Instigator]

Dargo, another (good) option for the block is to send it to Monty Racing in Fla.

He can work some magic on the ports for you (not for the beginner anyhow), bore it and send it back for you to assemble.
If you did that, he’d probably be willing to help guide you through the tuning process. Also, not for a newbie.

He did an 8 for a friend of mine that I have been lending moral support to and he now has it turning 7000 RPM!
And, couldn’t be happier.

I have another friend in Fla that did all my blocks and he’s very good.

Chaz, As in, if he’s my daddy, he pulled out all his hair due to raising me😂

Chaz = thinkin it was meant as a compliment ..

[Merc 2.5]

^^^x2. Very good advice. Exactly what my machinist did for me on my 1st build. Saved me a ton of $$$$ on learning process

[Chaz]

Gary .. err .. I mean gator, I try to not tease anyone .. when I do , I usually wind up with the same thing I teased others about .. but for you I'll give it a shot ...

I think your daddy shaves his head, cuz his hair is the same color as ours ..

Not long ago , I said to the Mrs. : Honey my part is like an inch wide , look at this **** When did that happen .. ? She said if you think that's bad, you should see the back ... I held my phone over my head and took a selfie .. Jeezus WTF .. she walk away laughing .. Oh well , old age is deigned to many I reckon ..

[Instigator]

Lucky for me I got my mom and dads hair gene.
(shot of me hauling my lil boy to the vet ��)

But, my dad only lived to one day from his 95th birthday.

If it wasn’t for me, he would have lived to be a 106!

Was fun in his final yrs, reliving some of **** I got in trouble for.

Sorry for the thread hijack Dargo.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Gary .. err .. I mean gator, I try to not tease anyone .. when I do , I usually wind up with the same thing I teased others about .. but for you I'll give it a shot ...

I think your daddy shaves his head, cuz his hair is the same color as ours ..

Not long ago , I said to the Mrs. : Honey my part is like an inch wide , look at this **** When did that happen .. ? She said if you think that's bad, you should see the back ... I held my phone over my head and took a selfie .. Jeezus WTF .. she walk away laughing .. Oh well , old age is deigned to many I reckon ..

[FMP]

Member TomAprilsswitzers might know where in that region.

[Dargo]

I was actually kicking around calling Monty to get some prices for the bore and port work. Scares the crap out of me to have someone do it that may not be 100% familiar with these engines. I will certainly do my homework and make some calls locally but this kind of thing is pretty much nonexistent up here. Just pontoons and trolling motors. We’ll see what turns up. I’m pulling the rest of the intake side of the motor off tonight. Hopefully separate the halves early next week. Gotta work midnights all weekend...:-(

PS - I don’t mind the chit chat a bit! No worries!

[Instigator]

Do your homework but Gordon (Monty) has forgotten more about hot rod 8’s thank the rest of us know collectively.
Bore work is one thing but porting is a black art and those that know (spent tons to get there) ain’t talking.

A bit of advice about Monty though, he is old school (like a lot of us) and much prefers phone calls to texts, e-mails, pm’s etc.
A lot of us figure if you ain’t willing to put that effort into it, you ain’t willing to write a ck.

As the S/F board members become younger, it is becoming more frequent to see a member text one of the wizards one evening and when they don’t reply by morning, they come on here and bash them.
Thus ending and shot of help for them and risking it for us.

Most (Monty included) are one man shops and not sitting around their lap top/phone.

Chaz, as always, have Gordon send my commission check to...

I was actually kicking around calling Monty to get some prices for the bore and port work. Scares the crap out of me to have someone do it that may not be 100% familiar with these engines. I will certainly do my homework and make some calls locally but this kind of thing is pretty much nonexistent up here. Just pontoons and trolling motors. We’ll see what turns up. I’m pulling the rest of the intake side of the motor off tonight. Hopefully separate the halves early next week. Gotta work midnights all weekend...:-(

PS - I don’t mind the chit chat a bit! No worries!

[FMP]

If memory serves, TomAprilsswitzers has a monster or two. Perhaps PM him for a shop.

[Dargo]

I completely agree. I much prefer talking to someone on the phone. I will definitely remember that when it comes time to get in touch with him. Also, I’ll drop TomAprilsswitzers a note and see if he has any ideas.

[racer]

I agree if it needs boring make it a 4.0 how ever you need to have someone with the right equipment to bore to 4 as you will loose the recess at the bottom so tooling needs to be able to cut all the way down.

[Chaz]

That is correct ... I use the cutter on the left to "top" new sleeves . Center is for bike and car block / cylinder's .. And the "drop leg" on the right is for "blind holes" such as outboard blocks ...





Gator , not a problem brother .. I'll have him send the check to the hanger where you keep your stunt plane ... I think the pup in the back is sayin dad .. can we please fly right side up for a while ... I'm gettin sea sick ..

[keefallan]

I was gonna make a funny comment about being upside down, but couldnt think of anything.......DOH!

[Instigator]

Great point.

Forgot all about that Al.

What he’s referring to is, the sleeve doesn’t go to the bottom of the bore.
As is, the block is back cut at the bottom of the bore to prevent the block from growing (from heat) under load and making contact w/the piston.

When you cut the bore that far, it puts the I.D. of the sleeve the same as the block bellow it.
So now the piston makes contact to the aluminum block bellow the bottom of the sleeve.

I had a huge auto/truck machine shop shot peen a set of rods for me and they told me they bored OB blocks too. When I asked him about the above, he wrote and sent a company memo on the spot, saying they no longer bore OB blocks ��

I agree if it needs boring make it a 4.0 how ever you need to have someone with the right equipment to bore to 4 as you will loose the recess at the bottom so tooling needs to be able to cut all the way down.

[keefallan]

And that's why you need a reputable machinist..............my story still gets me shakin' my head. How in the heck do you bore the wrong hole? On my v4, I needed #3 done and I got #2 done by accident. So, he needed to resleeve that one..........and then #3 got done(I only needed it .010 by the way, there was a teenie tiny fingernail catch on one side from the piston contact). BUUUTT #3 came back to me @ .064!!! He said it was because he didn't have a piston in hand!! I know what happened.........he didn't align the block up right and it took him that much to get it right. So my barely scratched block got punched out to .064. So CHRIS, learn from my mistake.