BRP just discontinued all E-TECS

[JBS]

Sadly ,They will not be the only casualty after this covid crisis is over. This probably would of happened anyway.
Darwin's theory.
Who remembers the OMC debacle years ago?

[z1rider]

Well, they weren’t the first to tank it...

Built by an American, who was Norwegian born, emigrated to america in 1882, at the age of 5 yo. The Canadians tried to fix it, but gave up after 20 years. They should get credit for trying.

Fixed it for you.

[Instigator]

Let’s not forget this just put 387 people out of work in Wis.

I am so callus from defending them and waving their flag for all of my 60 yrs......, I’m over it.
I bet they’re are 100’s of threads/posts on here.

I knew when the EPA forced them to DI’s before they were ready, that was it for OMC.

Then BRP buys them and pens the E-etc.
I thought they had something.
But after 10 yrs of brain washed Honda and Yammi owners tell everyone 2 strokes were banned....., not a good sign.

I guess there was enough of them to elect Obama, twice, vote for Bernie and Hilary so I shouldn’t be surprised.

Over the yrs I’ve had friends call me to settle arguments over 2 strokes being banned and that the E-tec was a 4 stroke.

Then came the G-2.
I thought the Verados were hideous so kept my mouth shut about how ugly I thought they were.

Ive had access to the marine trade news all this time and the first story I read 2 yrs ago about all the OB mfgs being 12 months out and up 15% over last yr yet BRP was down 6 or 7%......, I knew they were in trouble.
A 6 or 7% drop is not catastrophic but, when everyone else is up 15+%, I’d call that a 20+% drop.

Then a yr ago they started the motor donations.
I would say all industry experts saw the buzzards circling.

Only one happy by this would be fujimo.

Disney lost 3.5 billion last quarter, Hertz Rent a Car and Steak and Shake just filed for bankruptcy.

BRP had been hemorrhaging money for the last 5 yrs so smart mngt would cut cost and go into survival mode.
Buying Mercs to put on their boats that are still selling keep revenue coming in and make sense to me.

Maybe they circle the wagons until the blood letting stops and 2 yrs from now and see a Rotax OB.

At least dirt bikes are having a 2 stroke rebirth.

[DangerNewb]

At least dirt bikes are having a 2 stroke rebirth.

I gave up my trusty RM250 2 smoker about a year ago after getting flung down hard one last time... But unless I'm mistaken, ktm is the only company of the big 5 still developing its 2 stroke line. You can buy the same YZ 2 smokers for the last 14 years other than a few very minor tweaks. Am I wrong?

On another note, I live in a rural area that's transitioning before my eyes. Neighbor just sold 7 lots and is selling his house and bugging out. 3 houses under construction as we speak. Thinking real hard about getting my RM back and riding some moto in my front yard. Would give the builder something to think about. I'm not that mean, but it's crossed my mind.

[racervboat]

I gave up my trusty RM250 2 smoker about a year ago after getting flung down hard one last time... But unless I'm mistaken, ktm is the only company of the big 5 still developing its 2 stroke line. You can buy the same YZ 2 smokers for the last 14 years other than a few very minor tweaks. Am I wrong?

On another note, I live in a rural area that's transitioning before my eyes. Neighbor just sold 7 lots and is selling his house and bugging out. 3 houses under construction as we speak. Thinking real hard about getting my RM back and riding some moto in my front yard. Would give the builder something to think about. I'm not that mean, but it's crossed my mind.

Fire up those 2 smoke outboards every day in the drive way and when the greenies move in add a lot of extra oil in a 3 gal tank-you know for the mosquitoes.

[FMP]

Let’s not forget this just put 387 people out of work in Wis.

I am so callus from defending them and waving their flag for all of my 60 yrs......, I’m over it.
I bet they’re are 100’s of threads/posts on here.

I knew when the EPA forced them to DI’s before they were ready, that was it for OMC.

Then BRP buys them and pens the E-etc.
I thought they had something.
But after 10 yrs of brain washed Honda and Yammi owners tell everyone 2 strokes were banned....., not a good sign.

I guess there was enough of them to elect Obama, twice, vote for Bernie and Hilary so I shouldn’t be surprised.

Over the yrs I’ve had friends call me to settle arguments over 2 strokes being banned and that the E-tec was a 4 stroke.

Then came the G-2.
I thought the Verados were hideous so kept my mouth shut about how ugly I thought they were.

Ive had access to the marine trade news all this time and the first story I read 2 yrs ago about all the OB mfgs being 12 months out and up 15% over last yr yet BRP was down 6 or 7%......, I knew they were in trouble.
A 6 or 7% drop is not catastrophic but, when everyone else is up 15+%, I’d call that a 20+% drop.

Then a yr ago they started the motor donations.
I would say all industry experts saw the buzzards circling.

Only one happy by this would be fujimo.

Disney lost 3.5 billion last quarter, Hertz Rent a Car and Steak and Shake just filed for bankruptcy.

BRP had been hemorrhaging money for the last 5 yrs so smart mngt would cut cost and go into survival mode.
Buying Mercs to put on their boats that are still selling keep revenue coming in and make sense to me.

Maybe they circle the wagons until the blood letting stops and 2 yrs from now and see a Rotax OB.

At least dirt bikes are having a 2 stroke rebirth.

Gross revenue and net have been on a steady increase year after year ? Don't believe they had any issues other than the current situation which they still see themselves as being in a very good position.

Some quarters might require more cash outlay but I don't think they ever came close to losing money.

Nope

[Instigator]

Doesn’t say something that co. the size of Yammi is still selling YZ’s?

GasGas

And yes KTM

I don’t subscribe to any dirt mag but I look at the covers when I’m at the grocery.
Every month one of them is doing a 2 to 4 compare.
Theyve been dead for 15 yrs, why do that if no one wants one?


And yes

I gave up my trusty RM250 2 smoker about a year ago after getting flung down hard one last time... But unless I'm mistaken, ktm is the only company of the big 5 still developing its 2 stroke line. You can buy the same YZ 2 smokers for the last 14 years other than a few very minor tweaks. Am I wrong?

On another note, I live in a rural area that's transitioning before my eyes. Neighbor just sold 7 lots and is selling his house and bugging out. 3 houses under construction as we speak. Thinking real hard about getting my RM back and riding some moto in my front yard. Would give the builder something to think about. I'm not that mean, but it's crossed my mind.

[racervboat]

Gross revenue and net have been on a steady increase year after year ? Don't believe they had any issues other than the current situation which they still see themselves as being in a very good position.

Some quarters might require more cash outlay but I don't think they ever came close to losing money.

Nope

Its a scam brp has more money than just a fing etec motor ,do you all know what they are into and what they actually make and build? its like bill gates and 600 mil aint chit to them.

[Instigator]

Evinrude not BRP.

BRP wants Erude to support itself and it ain’t in yrs.
Corp/Biz math.

Gross revenue and net have been on a steady increase year after year ? Don't believe they had any issues other than the current situation which they still see themselves as being in a very good position.

Some quarters might require more cash outlay but I don't think they ever came close to losing money.

Nope

[racervboat]

Evinrude not BRP.

BRP wants Erude to support itself and it ain’t in yrs.
Corp/Biz math.

Yes I agree with that.

[pcrussell50]

-COVID was an excuse.
- (before G2), Their two stroke technology was superb, light, clean, everything
-their marketing failed to get that message across
-BUT... they were too expensive
-AND the G2 was an effing disaster: ugly beyond all get out but that can be overlooked if there is a redeeming factor, such as light weight... the one thing ETEC motors offered over four stroke tech. But no. While four strokes get lighter, BRP decided to pork up the G2. So they made the G2 ugly, heavy, and expensive. The three worst things they could have done.



-Peter

[FMP]

Evinrude not BRP.

BRP wants Erude to support itself and it ain’t in yrs.
Corp/Biz math.

OK now I need to go back and see those numbers.
FY19 $492M on the marine. That's just a quick look.

I think we better move this whole Evinrude production to Ontario and make it economical sound.

That and earlier they were reporting 650 employees, more clarity on that now.

[engineermike]

As has been mentioned, I think they are going to emerge with a rotax powered outboard. I’m not so sure it will carry the Evinrude name.

[WavetoWave]

My take on it in the link below. And I don't think they are as ugly as some think, take some getting used to but kind of cool in their own way. The steering was really innovative. Can't blame the engineers for thinking outside the box.

Article
https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2020...gy-and-failure

[WavetoWave]

At the Miami Boat Show in February they had just introduced the new updated cowl pieces, updated cooling passages in the 3.4. They are investing in them up until very recently and just launched the 3 cyl an all new engine. Really sad news for the employees and the dealers as well.

The new cowling has a shiny durable finish replacing the textured plastic.