F1h20 4 stroke Merc v8 variant.

[CUDA]

Gee I said this was going to happen during the unveiling of the 8s and I was told I was delusional

[powerabout]

Gee I said this was going to happen during the unveiling of the 8s and I was told I was delusional

true but good news or bad news for the racers and class?

[Capt.Insane-o]

Long live the 2.5

[powerabout]

Long live the 2.5

There was nothing wrong with the 2.0 f1 engine carby and EFI
I dont know anyone that can understand Merc thinking re race products that classes rely on?
OMC race stuff was just for the factory less the SST engines of the 80's then they sold the rights so you can still get stuff.
I cant think of OMC killing a class because they thought you need the latest production engine in your race class?

[powerabout]

HEADLINE NEWS
NASCAR viewers and sponsor dollar in massive increase because they switched from
carbies to efi.
stick to paddle shift
4 speed to 7 speed gearboxes
independent rear end
DOHC engines
etc etc...

F1 went relevant and they killed it, did anyone learn anything?

[CUDA]

Lets face it, this class is special, money is NO object, but in lower classes it is.

If Mercury wants to implement this motor in lower circle racing I don't see it happening, Like it was stated the boat design will have to change to carry the mother load on the transom with a HIGH center of gravity, making turns like no other boats are capable at serious speed is going to be a learning experience.

I remember going to Pittsburgh to watch the V8s race next to three rivers stadium, yes the boats were bigger and they could turn on a dime, but this will be more weight higher up.

Lets face the facts Mercury has to showcase the new tech, I don't see it filtering down at least with these motors, maybe they have a plan for the lower classes?

[powerabout]

Lets face it, this class is special, money is NO object, but in lower classes it is.

If Mercury wants to implement this motor in lower circle racing I don't see it happening, Like it was stated the boat design will have to change to carry the mother load on the transom with a HIGH center of gravity, making turns like no other boats are capable at serious speed is going to be a learning experience.

I remember going to Pittsburgh to watch the V8s race next to three rivers stadium, yes the boats were bigger and they could turn on a dime, but this will be more weight higher up.

Lets face the facts Mercury has to showcase the new tech, I don't see it filtering down at least with these motors, maybe they have a plan for the lower classes?

f1 maybe but F2 was for the man in the street hence stock engine, can use old f1 boat etc

[engineermike]

HEADLINE NEWS
NASCAR viewers and sponsor dollar in massive increase because they switched from
carbies to efi.
stick to paddle shift
4 speed to 7 speed gearboxes
independent rear end
DOHC engines
etc etc...

HEADLINE NEWS: NASCAR did finally step into the 80’s with port injection....7 years ago.

As for the rest of the stuff on your list, I might would actually start watching again if they had all that.

[powerabout]

HEADLINE NEWS: NASCAR did finally step into the 80’s with port injection....7 years ago.

As for the rest of the stuff on your list, I might would actually start watching again if they had all that.

Because you can tell from the grandstand....

[engineermike]

lets keep it on boat racing, which classes grow because they have current engines or die because they they dont have current engines?

Its a false argument since we don’t a control group, but I think you know this already. I could ask the opposite question to prove my point but there is no answer to that either and it would be pointless.

It is telling, though, that during 2016 both engines were allowed to race xcat but the 400ros had something like a 600 lb weight penalty. Most teams switched anyway and the ones that didn’t were trounced. And let’s be honest, why would mercury even be involved at all if not to a) showcase engine tech they can sell and b) learn from the sport so they can improve the product. Neither can happen running 20-50 year old engine designs.

Take motogp, for instance....it was basically irrelevant to the masses when it was a 2-stroke. As each successive class’s rules were updated to allow competitive 4-strokes, the teams switched within a year even though they were allowed to keep running 2-strokes..

[engineermike]

Because you can tell from the grandstand....

Are you actually arguing that the technology inside is irrelevant because it looks mostly the same from the stands?

[powerabout]

Are you actually arguing that the technology inside is irrelevant because it looks mostly the same from the stands?

Exactly, its entertainment, what does the spectator get from adding complexity and cost under the covers?

[engineermike]

Exactly, its entertainment...

Ive never met a single motorsports spectator that didn’t know and care about the rules and technology employed. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Chaz]

HEADLINE NEWS: NASCAR did finally step into the 80’s with port injection....7 years ago.

As for the rest of the stuff on your list, I might would actually start watching again if they had all that.

Yet naming the top 10 in points and who they drive for in the NTT Indy car series which uses that technology ... I'll bet, escapes your memory ...

Fact is, all the bull**** rules, stages, playoff's, ticket prices, $20.00 hotdogs and today's youth more interested in the latest cell phone, than motorsports is the cause of dwindling competitors .. and well, it can't help to have the "all knowing - done nothing" rail bird ... err ... forum birds that trash talk guys who can fire up a 900 hp flat tappet, pushrod, 358 ci bent 8 , set it at 8500 RPM ... and go to lunch ...

For the record : Nope .. can't run a 2 stroke in Moto GP !
The 750's were getting way to fast, so they limited the class to 500 cc .
Then they made it safer and slowed everyone down by going to 4 strokes.
By then, that's all that was in the showrooms .. kinda like what Merc is doing now. They control racing, so they are going to "make" the racers swap over or quit ..
F1H2O is owned by China and spends most of their time in the sandbox .. chump change to them .. I wouldn't look for an Abu-Dubi replica at your local dealership anytime soon ... Go-head "axe em" How much ... LMAO

I think the reason people like 4 stroke outboards is they can leave them stock, have someone change the oil for them at the dealership .. this gives them way more time to get on the internet and talk about stuff they have no .................

[powerabout]

Ive never met a single motorsports spectator that didn’t know and care about the rules and technology employed. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I can agree many are interested as i am but are you saying the more technically complex the more interest?
I think you will find the better the racing the more interest.
Adding sexy technology just for the sake of it has killed many classes in both cars and boats.
F1 cars for example got carried away with modern gizmos just because they thought they should and viewers dropped, that leads to sponsorship dropping and the double wammy is the cars or boats cost more to race.

IMHO there is no correlation between technically advanced and viewership/sponsorship/class participation.