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06-11-2019, 09:19 AM #1216000 RPM
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0 payments and about 19 months of warranty left on my 400R, thought I'm not sure why my personal finances are relevant to the discussion.
The fact is that the future of performance outboards is 4-stroke. Eventually, this forum will either accept that or die a long and slow death. Personally, I've almost given up on S&F for relevant/modern performance outboard technical discussion because the 4-strokes are constantly getting poo-poo'd by the old guard. I hate to admit it, but I am forced to frequent veradoclub, bbc, and oso, as they are at least as useful for me...though each have their own issues. I wonder how many potential forum members are out there like me. Based on the rate that the 300R and 400R are selling, I'd venture to guess that there are thousands of folks who are in my situation as well. This can either be a growth opportunity for the site...or nails in the coffin...
I personally want to see this site successful in the future and I would love to read about projects pushing the new Merc Racing outboards to their potential and even modifying them....imagine the traffic the site would get if that happened en masse! There are a handful of people trying it and I thank them because that's what will keep this site going for years to come.
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06-11-2019, 10:37 AM #123Supporting Member
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Get your order in now Mark. I just ordered another set and was told Dec.
Joe
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06-11-2019, 12:08 PM #124
I love how the discussions on here always turn into car motor bull**** or finances or political nonsense
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06-11-2019, 12:13 PM #125
This ain’t a car site, liberals are the scum of the earth and if you can’t pay to play find a new hobby
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06-11-2019, 12:54 PM #126
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06-11-2019, 05:20 PM #1275000 RPM
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Didn’t a guy come over from Porsche to help develop the 400R? And I thought Mercury Racing used an automotive block for their SB4? It makes ~1.75hp/ci @8k rpm from it’s 11.7:1 DOHC V8 with pump gas, so using some ricer math the 4.6L could become a production 500R or there’s always the aftermarket. Has anyone heard of a ROS version of the V8 coming?
Most all of us are on this website are here because we’re performance enthusiasts in one regard or another, lost a buddy Friday who swerved to avoid hitting a car that pulled out in front of him while tuning 2k hp customer’s car for upcoming event to try and best it’s 186mph 1/4 and 237mph 1/2 mile speeds.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/traf...ini-police-say
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06-11-2019, 06:01 PM #1286000 RPM
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The problem with using hp/cid as a metric for boat motors is that with only 1 gear the engine has to have a very broad usable power range and WOT-for-hours-on-end reliability. The SB4 is only making ~65% of peak torque at 2500 rpm and I don't think designed for constant WOT use for 2000 hours. We all know that production cars are making 100+/- hp/liter NA, the SB4 as well. But without the advantage of supercharging, 4-stroke boat motors are making 50-70 hp/liter due to the criticality of low-end torque and reliability reasons. VVT and multiple forward gears can help the situation. Note that cars seem to be around 100 hp/liter now in high performance production applications, but street bikes (where low-end torque and longevity are ess critical than a sports car, even) are making double that. I'll be surprised if we see NA 4-stroke boat motors making more than 75 hp/liter without a significant change in technology.
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06-11-2019, 07:33 PM #129Screaming And Flying!
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Yes a way to go before they get to 150hp/ltr ish and get a boat on the plane with one gear like an old school Merc Drag 300/champ/f1 engine
or e-tec sled engine 200hp/ltr
that was in the light and small days now it seems heavy and big is the trend or should I say the only choice?
Or is smart marketing, sell an engine that everyone thinks is programmed wrong so your mate can double the hp with a flash??Last edited by powerabout; 06-11-2019 at 09:53 PM.
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06-11-2019, 08:42 PM #130
thought I'm not sure why my personal finances are relevant to the discussion.
It appears to have added three words of personal experience to your 400R story .. before you went back to your we're not good enough for you rant.
The fact is that the future of performance outboards is 4-stroke. Eventually, this forum will either accept that or die a long and slow death. Personally, I've almost given up on S&F for relevant/modern performance outboard technical discussion because the 4-strokes are constantly getting poo-poo'd by the old guard. I hate to admit it, but I am forced to frequent veradoclub, bbc, and oso, as they are at least as useful for me...though each have their own issues. I wonder how many potential forum members are out there like me. Based on the rate that the 300R and 400R are selling, I'd venture to guess that there are thousands of folks who are in my situation as well. This can either be a growth opportunity for the site...or nails in the coffin...
Sooo Mr. pocket protector, you have a motor that your afraid to touch for the next 19 months, yet somehow you want the writer and readership of this site as well as the aftermarket to cater to you, the guy who is not going to buy more than a prop or two .. before you trade your motor in on another one your afraid to touch.
I personally want to see this site successful in the future and I would love to read about projects pushing the new Merc Racing outboards to their potential and even modifying them....imagine the traffic the site would get if that happened en masse! There are a handful of people trying it and I thank them because that's what will keep this site going for years to come.
Chaz = thinkin , is that crickets .. in the supporting member and tech from Gone-zo-La. I'm ~a~hearin ..
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Chaz = wunderin , is there any interest in a 15" bucket~n~ can fer ah 300R .. ???
Chaz = beginin to like the looks of them ugly ******** ..
From the inside - out, of course ..
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06-11-2019, 08:56 PM #1316000 RPM
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Thanks for even further proving my point by turning it into a personal attack.
Don’t worry....I won’t retaliate....I said my part. I think on some level you know I’m right.
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06-11-2019, 10:29 PM #132
No sir , no attack . Just pointing out the obvious .
Like I said we're all friends here , and if you see something I said that isn't true , then I will take it back or apologize .. But just because it might be a bitter pill to swallow don't make it not true ...
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06-11-2019, 10:44 PM #1336000 RPM
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It’s against my better judgement, but I’ll bite on that. You said I’m afraid to touch my motor for another 19 months because it’s under warranty. Why would you assume that about me? Maybe it’s true; maybe not. After all, I do daily drive a 2018 mustang 5.0 with a supercharger that I installed years before the warranty was out. What’s the difference? Well there’s a great mustang forum where the new technology is embraced and people start tinkering with them and sharing results literally the day they hit the showrooms. I don’t want to be THE pioneer, but I will be an early adopter when I can read about what the pioneers did and learn from them.
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06-11-2019, 11:27 PM #134Screaming And Flying!
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06-12-2019, 07:37 AM #135
A 2018 Mustang years before the wty expired ... Psstt , it's mid 2019 by my calendar. It's ok , I'm not good with dates and times either ...
Jim Jordan has long since passed away . But his daughter still runs QA-1 shocks / Rod end's / Suspension components. You would have to ask her how many Mustang parts I developed and that I built for them inlots of 100 at a timeduring and after the AVO/HAL shock, QA-1 merger. K members, motor mounts, caster/ camber plates, adjustable upper housing bars, and others that escape me now.
Two things I can assure you of :
Not a word of it was "leaked to "Super Ford Magazine" until it was ready to be stocked on Jegs and Summits shelves.
Every bit of it is made in China now.
BTW ...
Have ya noticed, buiz is "BOOMIN" in the 400R -300R HP thread ...
On a personal note ...
My apologies, for some reason I thought you might be a leader .. not a follower of the "me too" movement ...
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