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    Quote Originally Posted by nitro_rat View Post
    That seems deep with that much setback. What prop are you running?
    27 pitch yamaha t1 or an old quicksilver trophy for heavy loads. The champ hulls dont really like a high propshaft i guess

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    I got 2 props with the boat-Tempest plus 25 and a Hi-Tech 4 with a stamped FAB 632 on it. I am not sure if it's a 32 pitch,it needs to be reconditioned. I also have a High-Five 25.

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    The 25 tempest would be a good start, may be a tad stiff for heavier loads, but definitely worth trying first

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    25m is also a good choice on Champions as some prefer the 25m over a tempest.
    Daddy taught me to never force anything but to just get a bigger hammer.


    1995 19'0" Champion bass boat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce2 View Post
    25m is also a good choice on Champions as some prefer the 25m over a tempest.
    I went with the 4 inch jack plate and another 1/2 power pole spacers I raised it 1 inch today prop on 3 1/4 24 pitch 4 blade looks like next week before I can get back on the lake to give it a try lot of rain down this way ...... I did get to run the the new carbs WH-20 BIG time difference in hole shot and top end with a small .078 main and a .055 air .... replaced the 91 7 pedal WMH-31 carb with .068 main

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivlakeman View Post
    I went with the 4 inch jack plate and another 1/2 power pole spacers I raised it 1 inch today prop on 3 1/4 24 pitch 4 blade looks like next week before I can get back on the lake to give it a try lot of rain down this way ...... I did get to run the the new carbs WH-20 BIG time difference in hole shot and top end with .087 main and a .055 air .... replaced the 91 7 pedal WMH-31 carb with .068 main
    ran the 92 main 60 air it didnt like them going back to the 87 and 55 jet ran much better on them

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    I have been reading over some posts on Champion boats and members say they Chime walk. My question,is there away to lessen this with setback-prop-motor height. Good tight steering is my first direction but is it just the Hull design. 1998-Champion 190-F&S

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    Yes they will "chine" walk, but usually my only reeally tries to walk above 70 mph. Setup helps, but its gonna happen until you have enough seat time to react and adjust. Cant drive thru it, must learn to keep it from happening

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    Loose is fast..when boat is chine walking it's setup right.. My 176 starts chine walking around 54 mph and my 190 has yet to chine walk at 63 mph...some say when it starts walking trim down just a tad sometimes raising motor one notch 1/4 inch will help reduce chine walk...best is learn how to drive it...you have to get a feel for it in your butt as to when it startsand small correction in the steering wheel to the left will help.

    Here's a video of champs running wild it's a promotion vide from back in the day.

    Champions running wild full.mp4 - YouTube
    Daddy taught me to never force anything but to just get a bigger hammer.


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    That's a great video. Givin them ole boats hell! The thang turns good! Well new at the time

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    Years ago I met Bill Pace who was at that time the national sales manager. They had an on the water boat show going for the local OMG dealer. I was in the Hydrostream at the time and he had an 18-4 super vee. Both had 200 Mercs but his was a bit modified. We ran for about an hour in some pretty rough water and had a ball. Speed wise the boats were pretty even and I know mine ran well over 80. Not bad for a fishin boat. Went for a ride with him the next day in one of the show boats with a 2.6 XP or GT and unfortunately experienced those wild turns. Will never say anything bad about Champion handling. Lot of fun to drive.

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    They may not be as fast as an Allison or Skeeter but when it get rough water the Champion will shine for sure.
    Daddy taught me to never force anything but to just get a bigger hammer.


    1995 19'0" Champion bass boat
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    I have a CLE lower unit i am swapping out on the boat. Any real value to handling with this lower over stock.

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    The longer length of the CLE will increase surface area and drag unless you are able to use the LWP attribute and raise the case out of the water.

    I have never related chine-walk with propshaft height. If you set the height and setback to achieve the boat's optimum angle of attack of 4 degrees without over-trim and maintain water pressure - you can then concentrate on the right propeller and driving balance. Chine-walk is a wonderful result of the narrow pad beginning the science of supporting the entire boat's mass. As you free the hull, the parasitic drag of the water is reduced and the available thrust can now push the boat even faster. Water is 814 times more dense than air, so "flying" is much better than plowing water...

    Chine-walking is the result of the boat's pad acting like a waterski with the entire boat trying to balance on it's center. Add to this balance effort the fact that the propeller is trying flip the boat on it's left side and that every wave hitting the hull creates drag wherever it contacts. As the boat is pushed onto it's left side, it bounces/leans to the right. With every bounce, your boat not only leans left and right - it gets pointed in left and right directions as the drag on the chines (outside edges are chines) pull the boat in alternating sides.

    Learning to balance is a lot like riding a bicycle - once you learn it, you'll never forget. Practice is the only way to master it. With practice, you'll make slight left pressure on the wheel to offset a right lean and a slight right pressure on the wheel to offset a left lean. These inputs are not visible nor felt by the passenger when done correctly. Practice and you'll just "feel" when one of those small inputs are required - before anyone else "feels" it. If more obvious steering wheel inputs are needed, then you're not reacting to the coming lean quickly enough - more practice! Oh yea, it's Fun!! Gordon

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    You'll have some bass boaters and dock "experts" tell you that chine-walk is the result of bad set-up, wrong prop, or a poor hull design. Don't believe them. It's not hard to see how important balance is when your boat is on the pad.........the entire boat's mass is perched on a narrow section of pad and all of forces of prop, waves, and wind are trying to flip and drag the boat every way but straight. Imagine the torque of a 1/2" drill going through big timbers X 10,000 with that big outboard turning that prop through the water. The only control to offset these forces is the steering energy imparted at the wheel and executed at the gearcase. The boat pictured has way more deadrise than the Champions, but the science is the same. Gordon

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