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    You are right, you don't get it. You have never run a boat hard outside of the bay or would realize that your feet need to be planted against the floor board pushing you back into the seat. You can NOT run a boat hard unless you are strapped in and use hand throttles.

    Do yourself a favor and buy a seat for a race or two and all of your questions will be answered + you will have a blast doing it.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPEROG View Post
    You are right, you don't get it. You have never run a boat hard outside of the bay or would realize that your feet need to be planted against the floor board pushing you back into the seat. You can NOT run a boat hard unless you are strapped in and use hand throttles.

    Do yourself a favor and buy a seat for a race or two and all of your questions will be answered + you will have a blast doing it.

    Joe
    Suspend the entire cockpit, foot rest/throttles and all. I believe some of the bigger cats are already set up that way. Unless drivers and throttle men are born with some form of telepathy science has yet to discover. Then there is simply no way that they can stay in sync as well as one person in full control.

    I was checking out a boat at the last race I went to. The one with the hot little red head and her dad driving. It flipped that day. I overheard a brief explanation of the accident, basically faulting the two not being in sync coming into a turn. I'm certain there's untold more accidents that have occurred simply because there's two people in control, when there should be one.

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    There are weight limitations in the outboard class (you only have 600 hp on tap and you wouldn't be competitive) along with cost limitations to most teams. If it made $ense, they would be out there. Go experience racing first hand like i said and all of your questions will be answered. The other issue is having a 2nd set of eyes to know where the boats around you are is a major deal-canopies off very limited side vision and isn't a one person deal.

    That is Jim DeNooyer and his daughter Lindsey that you are referring to. Jim has been racing on and off since 1984, it was nothing to do with being in sync. The boat didn't have power steering at that point and Lindsey wasn't strong enough to make the correction with the hull being loaded in the turn. They now have power steering and she is continually getting more comfortable with what it takes and the limitations of the boat.

    Joe

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    I'll watch from the sidelines until there are single operator boats.
    The tech should start in unlimited classes then trickle down to outboards.
    Eliminate one operator and you can add that much weight back into the boat in tech for a single operator.
    Hell crack open any modern car and use the sensors to monitor boats to your sides and blind spots.

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    Show us how its done. I will talk to Smitty and get you entered for your first race "on me".

    Joe

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    Open cockpit not strapped in or enclosed w oxygen strapped in done both
    stock merc controls through turns w one hand on wheel on hand on controls
    prefer hot foot but been racing this way competitively like this five years on glass and 6-8 foot big **** and average 4-5’ if in ocean. Depends on how you learned. It’s the only way I learned.
    Live been driver
    I’ve been throttleman
    I’ve done both at once


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    kbirdmon, is that the way most Class 7s do it?
    EVERY MAN HAS TWO LIVES...THE SECOND ONE BEGINS WHEN HE REALIZES THAT HE HAS JUST ONE

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    Big time difference in speeds....Vs. a bracket class but class 7 boats do take a beating and are fun to watch. He was referring to last years Key West race in this post (no bracket boats there).

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    The issue I have with 2 people in control is more of an existential one.

    Competition is how we push the envelope of what we're capable of.

    Motor sports racing is how we test the limits of all sorts of tech as well as human ability to control it.
    "Needing" to have 2 people in control of a machine is to me just another barrier that needs to be broken. A hurdle to overcome rather than just good enough status quo.

    In my mind single operator control would be priority number one, above the next speed record or season win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPEROG View Post
    If that gives you the creeps then you definitely wouldn't do well in going into the first turn. Its not a "one hand on the wheel moment" I can assure you.

    Joe
    ---and the 'first turn' should be at least 50 miles DISTANT---and then maybe you can call it 'OFFSHORE---

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUJIMO View Post
    the speeds today, is what changes everything. you cant stand up anymore, so NOTHING is the same. N O T H I N G .
    I understand Fuji--my first race was over 65 years ago--since then I have raced on my knees, sitting down, and standing up with one or two other guys------probably hold the record ----1257 miles--STANDING UP--- (Miami/NY)--total of at least 20,00 miles--STANDING UP-

    -I wouldn't recommend 200 mph on your knees--or 200 mph STANDING UP!!

    People were dying at 45 mph--65 years later--a LOT of people are dying at 200 mph---

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Offshore nowadays is basically "circuit racing" at best. Spectator appeal and the logistics/liabilities of covering that much race course make it that way sadly.

    This is a great video to show things...
    https://www.facebook.com/GrantsCusto...1897884966605/
    With the large lumbering boats, they dont look fast offshore.
    You only get the fast sensation when they are in circuit mode in flat water near the shore

    This is much more exiting to watch, Factory 1, the steering is not connected to elastic bands like some in the cockpit vid


    https://m.youtube.com/50b622eb-34e8-...3-19da6013d932
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    no werki

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    Quote Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM View Post
    I understand Fuji--my first race was over 65 years ago--since then I have raced on my knees, sitting down, and standing up with one or two other guys------probably hold the record ----1257 miles--STANDING UP--- (Miami/NY)--total of at least 20,00 miles--STANDING UP-

    -I wouldn't recommend 200 mph on your knees--or 200 mph STANDING UP!!

    People were dying at 45 mph--65 years later--a LOT of people are dying at 200 mph---
    ...I understand Gene. These guys need to get into 25-30 footers, like I have, to get a taste of what its like, AND try to go fast in it. Guess what? You can't. I used to say this more when I was younger, not so much anymore...That you have to get hurt bad a few times, to really learn & respect what your doing, AND what everyone else is doing. It was fun though, wasn't it?
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    This discussion about 'one or two' operators in a 200 mph raceboat---

    No one has mentioned THE UNLIMITEDS???

    The GREATEST SHOW--ever--at the Miami Marine Stadium

    Any time they ran ---it was a 'sell-out' spectators paying money for a chance to see these awesome boats

    ONE DRIVER--SITTING--WITH A FOOT THROTTLE--NEARLY 200 MPH--A LEFT TURN COMING UP EVERY FEW SECONDS!!

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