RIP You sumbitch

[Capt.Insane-o]

Did he ever own a boat?

More than several....he and another conservative based actor popular manufacturer.

[powerabout]

In 1986, we built Buddy a new 22 Velocity. He wanted an all red gelcoat boat. Pain in the butt to make & our first all red gelcoat boat. Second, he wanted a higher Plexiglas windshield to make sure his toupee didn't fly off. We said no. It would ruin the lines of the boat. So the answer was to simply form the standard 22 windshield as we always did, but worked with our Plex guy to add an additional height of about 2'' or so, and about 18'' wide, just in front of the driver and passenger, and give just those two spots a little bit of a curl, or spoiler curve, to deflect the airflow over the drivers head. Took it for a ride. It worked. He liked it. We called it the "Toupee Saver" windshield. The biggest mistake was taking the boat when new, to the big Miami Beach Boat Show & showing it off. Customers then had to have their boat just like Buddy's. Yup. All red gelcoat WITH the Toupee Saver windsheilds! It sold quite a few more boats that year.

How long did the red stay red before pigment separation?

[rock]

Watched a special last night on Burt and Hal Needham (Burt's stunt double). Very good. Two impressive movie makers gone now.


Rock

[FUJIMO]

How long did the red stay red before pigment separation?

...Never heard of the term pigment separation in my lifetime of resin/gelcoat use. The South Florida sun is one of the most brutal on gelcoats/resins/laminates, and even worst on any dark pigmented gelcoat, which is why you simply stay away from them, on decks especially. But like any colored gelcoat boat, you gotta take care of it. Its like the upholstery in boats. Everyone thinks, well...It's "marine upholstery"...you can leave it out in the sun, wash it down with the hose all the time, and it will last cause its "marine" & it can take it. Not true. By the way, I neglected to mention in my above Burt Reynolds new boat build story, that Burts lifelong nickname was "Buddy".

[powerabout]

...Never heard of the term pigment separation in my lifetime of resin/gelcoat use. The South Florida sun is one of the most brutal on gelcoats/resins/laminates, and even worst on any dark pigmented gelcoat, which is why you simply stay away from them, on decks especially. But like any colored gelcoat boat, you gotta take care of it. Its like the upholstery in boats. Everyone thinks, well...It's "marine upholstery"...you can leave it out in the sun, wash it down with the hose all the time, and it will last cause its "marine" & it can take it. Not true. By the way, I neglected to mention in my above Burt Reynolds new boat build story, that Burts lifelong nickname was "Buddy".

The sun is brutal on it as you say, what happens to it?
What do you call it when the dark colors fade and they dont recover with a heavy cut and polish, pigment failure, white spots in the surface?

[mr fun]

The sun is brutal on it as you say, what happens to it?
What do you call it when the dark colors fade and they dont recover with a heavy cut and polish, pigment failure, white spots in the surface?

neglect

[mr fun]

I always admired Burt's career, one of the most successful of our lifetime. belive he had a streak of doing at least one film a year for decades. He and Clint probably will go down as my favorites. RIP Buddy, fun out

[nitro_rat]

I neglected to mention in my above Burt Reynolds new boat build story, that Burts lifelong nickname was "Buddy".

My grandmother grew up and went to school with him, she always referred to him as "Buddy." She always said that he was quiet and reserved in school and that he was the last one she would have expected to have a life and career like he did!

[rl]

goin to miss this guy, one of my all time favorites, sad to see him go

[flabum1017]

The sun is brutal on it as you say, what happens to it?
What do you call it when the dark colors fade and they dont recover with a heavy cut and polish, pigment failure, white spots in the surface?

oxidation

[flabum1017]

How long did the red stay red before pigment separation?

Is this a pigment identity issue you are asking about?

[powerabout]

Is this a pigment identity issue you are asking about?

yes dark reds and blue gelcoat suffer from it, better quality chemicals help but...

[FUJIMO]

Any dark or darker gelcoat color will have much faster oxidation/fade issues when left to bake in the sun. This is why 99% of manufacturers don't build with any dark gel. They build mostly white gel boats. Then they apply paint. Also staying away from dark paints too, if possible. All resins and gelcoats(which are simply pigmented resins) have what they call a "Heat Distortion Temperature Rating". This specific temperature is the temperature at which a cured resin or gelcoat will begin to "move", or distort, or what we call "post-curing". Depending on the resin base that a particular gelcoat starts with, before colorizing, these temperatures vary, depending on the rating, or quality of resin. Better resins/gels, have higher ratings. General purpose resin has the lowest generally. Vinyesters & other blends higher, and so on. Temperature ratings can vary on one particular resin/gel due to other factors, such as cure rate/time, ambient temperature when used, catalyst type & speed & amount, etc., for the finished part/product. Many other variables come into play. This is why there are laminating resins/gelcoats...and tooling resins/gelcoats. Prices vary wildly, depending on product. Ever look down the hullside of an older dark colored offshore boat, and see the woven roving print-through, telegraphing through the post-cured lamination?

[FUJIMO]

A dark colored gelcoat, that is typically rated at say, 125 degree's, starts moving at 126 degree's, when sitting in the sun. A temperature attainable with any dark gel(or dark paint on top of gel), and far beyond. A white gel, not so much. All of the colors from a particular gelcoat venders line, utilize the same resin base. So using any of they're available whites or lighter colors, and you should never have an issue. There are many different gelcoat grades/pricing. A Corvette hood, for example, is manufactured with a much higher Heat Distortion Temperature Rated resin. Food for thought.

[powerabout]

are you saying oxidization can be buffed out or permanent change in the gelcoat?
Bad ones I have seen the gelcoat has changed and has spots in it.