Getting my 1st 300R V8 this week.

**gorillapowered** · 07-11-2018, 10:55 AM

i am very interested to see the apple to apple test numbers......

**XstreamVking** · 07-11-2018, 11:06 AM

If they live up to their expectations they should paint them all gold......

**bor** · 07-11-2018, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by engineermike

I suspected that to be the case. I think merc missed out on a lot of repower business with the verado because of the expensive total rerig. I think the Yamaha sho continued to accept conventional controls. That was definitely a factor when I repowered.

Here in europe they sell them as a complete package whit gauges , all wiring needed , dts throttle and shift unit ,tie bar and even a prop ( if You want zero effort controls , Vessel view and cleaver prop its additional money for the difference on list price )

**syclone01** · 07-11-2018, 04:46 PM

Randy,
With that motor mounted on your liberator, on the trailer, do you have to get up inside the boat to release the handle up top to take off the cowl? Just curious if standing behind/beside the motor can you get to the handle up top? I understand the handle up top unlatches all 4 latches which is nice, but you prob never need to take the cowl off from inside the boat with the small door to check oil/add oil that they have.

**WILDMAN** · 07-11-2018, 06:56 PM

I put the cowl on when it was on the boat, but I had to get in the boat to fold the handle down. Top of the motor is about 6 1/2 ft off the ground.

**RSWORDS** · 07-11-2018, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by syclone01

Randy,
With that motor mounted on your liberator, on the trailer, do you have to get up inside the boat to release the handle up top to take off the cowl? Just curious if standing behind/beside the motor can you get to the handle up top? I understand the handle up top unlatches all 4 latches which is nice, but you prob never need to take the cowl off from inside the boat with the small door to check oil/add oil that they have.

As heavy as the cowl is you almost HAVE to be in the boat. It's super easy with the handle but damn if I want to lift one from outside.

**blacktruck** · 07-12-2018, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by madmatic

I think there is a lot of resistance on these new motors because it takes everything away from the two strokes. Before it was easy to say two strokes are the only way to go on performance boats, lighter, stronger and easy to rebuild. But now we see a light high performance 4 stroke on 87 octane and if it lasts as long as the other 4's which is what 1500-2000 hours? it really makes the 2 stroke market obsolete. I was right on the edge of buying twin Merc 2 strokes but decided to go with the new single 300 just for future resale. It does excite me thinking of all the larger cats that are going to drop in price because the average owner/buyer (no one here) will want to buy a boat with motors no longer made. I plan to run my boat with a single 300 for a year or so (being slow) until I see a cheap skater come up for sale by some one who sold the motors off on ebay. I used to have a kx500, great bike ran perfect and very clean, but when the 450 4s became normal the most I could get was 1200 bux for it because no one wanted the 2s.

It's not that it makes the two stroke market obsolete, it's just everyone except Evinrude is four stroke. I like both. But according to most data, the G2 is more efficient on fuel. No weight advantage anymore, just less moving parts, and the integrated steering is more advanced. I'm a Merc guy, still warming up to the looks of the new one. Can't wait to see the real world results.

**powerabout** · 07-12-2018, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by blacktruck

It's not that it makes the two stroke market obsolete, it's just everyone except Evinrude is four stroke. I like both. But according to most data, the G2 is more efficient on fuel. No weight advantage anymore, just less moving parts, and the integrated steering is more advanced. I'm a Merc guy, still warming up to the looks of the new one. Can't wait to see the real world results.

I guess BRP could spend the next few model upgrades making them lighter, they are there on Fuel and emissions for a while.

Steering wise I am surprised Merc didnt just bury a steering cylinder into mid/swivel bracket like the OMC Sea Drive did, its very tidy, unless there is a patent on that?

I am waiting for electric linear actuators and goodbye hydraulics, first to market that will have a jump on the rest.
Got electric throttle and shift just one more piece of the puzzle.

**WILDMAN** · 07-12-2018, 08:08 AM

They do have a 300 model with the Verado integrated steering ram, but it's not the Sportmaster model

**Whaaaaat** · 07-12-2018, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by RSWORDS

As heavy as the cowl is you almost HAVE to be in the boat. It's super easy with the handle but damn if I want to lift one from outside.

How heavy is the cowl? I'm looking forward to someone getting a hold of one of these and ripping it apart to see how much weight can be shaved from it.
Lightweight cowl?
Delete electronic shift and throttle? I imagine those solenoids are heavy, plus cable only is simpler and more reliable.
15 inch mid? If merc won't do it I hope someone will.

**gotboostedvr6** · 07-12-2018, 08:11 AM

Someone bring me a cowl and I'll pop a mold from it.

**mistah_max** · 07-12-2018, 08:41 AM

could you tell us how much more the extra rigging parts cost? and is there something else needed if someone already has a engine and wants to re-rig other then the rigging tube?

**WILDMAN** · 07-12-2018, 08:44 AM

Probably $100-$200

**RSWORDS** · 07-12-2018, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Whaaaaat

How heavy is the cowl? I'm looking forward to someone getting a hold of one of these and ripping it apart to see how much weight can be shaved from it.
Lightweight cowl?
Delete electronic shift and throttle? I imagine those solenoids are heavy, plus cable only is simpler and more reliable.
15 inch mid? If merc won't do it I hope someone will.

Think early optimax for the standard motors. It's all about keeping then quiet. Maybe the R motors are lighter.

They are stupid easy to remove with the handle though.

The electronic shift and throttle has proven itself reliable across all the manufacturers and models. Is is VERY rare an issue comes up.

**madmatic** · 07-12-2018, 11:27 PM

@ blacktruck, Two strokes do make great power and there will be a market for them for the die hards, but I think that will fade into the nostalgia category of hot boats.