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    Sorry missed your post. Yes it is the 9" ram ( the 2" longer one)

    Quote Originally Posted by 2.5-21 View Post
    What ram is it?

    A 15" factory clamp requires a 2" longer ram, part # SR-8-5-15

    a standard clamp uses part # SR-8-5-13
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    Quote Originally Posted by V-bottom View Post
    Sorry missed your post. Yes it is the 9" ram ( the 2" longer one)
    Seastar makes several different capacity helms. Which one do you have? I've had several side ram/seastar that worked very well. No additional reservoir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berdes View Post
    Seastar makes several different capacity helms. Which one do you have? I've had several side ram/seastar that worked very well. No additional reservoir.
    I ordered the standard 2.0 helm since the pro 2.0 helm doesn't work with single cylinder. When I spoke to seastar they assured me there was no volume capacity difference between the 1.7, 2.0 or 2.4 helms
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPEROG View Post
    Sure, no problem.

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    I would like to thank JPEROG for taking the time to speak with me today. A real pleasure to speak to and a wealth of knowledge. He has given me a couple suggestions to try.
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    Have to disagree - the 1.7 -2.0 etc. are the pumping volume, and any of them will work with a single unbalanced cylinder which is what you have.
    Only the "PRO" helm will not work. You need the 2.4 standard. Or the 2.4 standard tilt helm which I just happen to have one to sell.
    Let's see if how much feedback we get with the above statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by V-bottom View Post
    I ordered the standard 2.0 helm since the pro 2.0 helm doesn't work with single cylinder. When I spoke to seastar they assured me there was no volume capacity difference between the 1.7, 2.0 or 2.4 helms

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    Any Helm will work with a balanced cylinder none will work with an unbalanced cylinder without a reservalve
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    Quote Originally Posted by berdes View Post
    Have to disagree - the 1.7 -2.0 etc. are the pumping volume, and any of them will work with a single unbalanced cylinder which is what you have.
    Only the "PRO" helm will not work. You need the 2.4 standard. Or the 2.4 standard tilt helm which I just happen to have one to sell.
    Let's see if how much feedback we get with the above statements.
    Sorry but I am not reading this right. You mention the standard 1.7 or 2.0 will work but you say use the 2.4 helm. Are you saying any of the standard helms will work or only the standard 2.4 or 2.4 tilt?
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    Any of the standard helms will work. I'm saying the 2.4 is what you want only because that is what I used, and think had 2 - 2 1/2 turns lock to lock. It's just a question of displacement (volume) of the helm vs cylinder displacement. A smaller displacement helm will mean easier steering and more turns lock to lock.
    Once you know the cylinder displacement you will know how well the setup will suit your preference.
    Quote Originally Posted by V-bottom View Post
    Sorry but I am not reading this right. You mention the standard 1.7 or 2.0 will work but you say use the 2.4 helm. Are you saying any of the standard helms will work or only the standard 2.4 or 2.4 tilt?

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    i have a 2.4 non pro helm in my superboat, no reserve, marine machine ram. no problems. We have installed hydraulic helms in some STV's and added a reservoir under the deck with a deck fill. You can make the reservoir out of pvc pipe as the helm is vented and there is minimum pressure involved. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnemous View Post
    i have a 2.4 non pro helm in my superboat, no reserve, marine machine ram. no problems. We have installed hydraulic helms in some STV's and added a reservoir under the deck with a deck fill. You can make the reservoir out of pvc pipe as the helm is vented and there is minimum pressure involved. JMO
    This is what I’ve done. You have to take the plug out of the back of the helm add a barb then use the plug to plug the vent/fill in the helm and use the vented plug to vent the reservoir.
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    Years ago I had a hynautic pressurized reservoir that remote mounted anywhere in the boat. One of these or similar will solve your lack of fluid capacity and mounting position.Popey
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    Please let me know how you resolve your side ram steering problem. I have a 2.0 SeaStar Pro helm in my boat and am planing to replace the front steering ram with a side ram. I am changing the steering ram with the conversion my 300xs to a 15" midsection.

    I thought as the fluid goes out one side of the helm it comes right back in the other side. So if there is zero air in the system I am not sure why you would need a reservoir. Maybe someone will be kind enough to explain why.

    Also, some of you have said you need to use a standard helm instead of a pro helm. Again this seems a bit illogical since my understanding is the only difference between the two helms is the settings of the valve pressures. The standard helm valves are set to handle 1,000 psi and the valves in the pro helm are set to handle 1,500 psi. Can someone please explain why you need to use the standard helm?


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    because a side ram is unbalanced ( not even going in and out) you need a vented helm because more fluid goes one way than the other. The air (above the level of fluid in helm) must go somewhere hence the vent. Doesn't matter weather you vent the helm or the reservoir you attached to the helm but it must be vented and you cant use a pro helm. This is a (unvented) pro helm with a unbalanced ram.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vnemous View Post
    because a side ram is unbalanced ( not even going in and out) you need a vented helm because more fluid goes one way than the other. The air (above the level of fluid in helm) must go somewhere hence the vent. Doesn't matter weather you vent the helm or the reservoir you attached to the helm but it must be vented and you cant use a pro helm. This is a (unvented) pro helm with a unbalanced ram.
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    That makes sense thank you for the explanation. Did you learn this the hard way?

    Can you add a vented reservoir to a Pro Helm to solve the venting problem? If so can you use one of the two plugs on the back of the Pro Helm to add the reservoir?

    How much reservoir capacity do you need?

    Does anyone make a balanced side ram? A balanced side ram would solve the vent problem and eliminate the need for a reservoir.
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