15 400R news

**1BadAction** · 03-18-2015, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by whipper

i dont see to much bashing?

Not as much on this thread, but I haven't seen so much internet ass-hurt since the first V-Rat was produced. People bitch and whine like the thing is the reason why there aren't anymore 280s. They will sell more 400s their first full production year than they sold 280s in their entire production run. Fact. THAT is why the 2.5 is going away, because in spite of all the piehole running on the internet, they sold very few of them in the grand scheme of things.

As far as optimaxs spinning like 2.5 EFIs or drags, it'll will NEVER happen. If it was possible and as easy as all the armchair engineers think, Merc would have screwed the opti gear on a 2.5EFI and had a 280 Optimax in 2006. The 200XS runs nice for a 2 stroke, but it's still unrefined and archaic compared to the new generation of outboards, oh, and it's power to weight ratio isn't as good as the 400.

A Verado of any kind was never meant to do the job of a 300 drag, never will, just like a 300 drag will never do the job that a 300 Verado can. I can't fathom why that's so hard for so many people on this site to understand.

Bad, I'm sitting here at my desk laughing my ass off!!

Just sayin, I know what I would expect if I paid that kind of money for a 1350.

**aeneas** · 03-18-2015, 06:23 PM

Whipper, this 400 is an engine for that Allison 23ft...

**Michael J Giesler** · 03-18-2015, 08:37 PM

I don't have an exact number of 280's built from 1998 till now but i am giving an easy guess of over 200 the negative comments are a lot of frustration mercury did have a new direct injection 2.5 that was supposed to hit the market in 2006 but it was not released due to not cost effective for Brunswick as for the new 400r for big boats it should be a monster but for all the Allison stv's hydrostream and other go fast boats under 21' we are going to be up you know what creek sorry for the rant but there is a market for us even as little as we are

**eli** · 03-18-2015, 10:06 PM

glad mercury is banging out the 400's and selling them they are innovators for sure for the rich
but for a percent of us who are not rich and have a little boat we somewhat can afford the 400 means squat
and to enjoy our little boats we need the light 375# merc 260/280 to fulfill out needs I hope parts stay around for
next 10 years so we can keep going for a while other we might as well steel sleeve them so they go farther ?

**whipper** · 03-19-2015, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by 1BadAction

it's power to weight ratio isn't as good as the 400.

Yes sorry missed that the R was going to be 612. Then its Power to weight is better yes. Other wise they were very close. The 400R is on the right track.

**RUM RUNNER 305** · 03-19-2015, 02:29 AM

Mercury should let me borrow a pair of 400's with some 35 pitch cleavers for the weekend.... i'm not scurrred

**whipper** · 03-19-2015, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by RUM RUNNER 305

Mercury should let me borrow a pair of 400's with some 35 pitch cleavers for the weekend.... i'm not scurrred

Those should move your 24 along quite rapidity!!! ill bet faster than she would with any other outboards on the planet at this time say 130+!

See now when Dave cracks the code for 8000 rpm youll be 150 with 35,s and 1.62,s!! haha sick right there!

Ok I take it back these motors are good for quite a few sub 25fters. The 24 Skater probably the best hull for twins in the smallest size out there for these 400r,s!! Might be a bit much for a 21 Skater but great for busting 100 with even a single ill bet! 21 and up Progression, Trick,21+ tuff,Challanger, wonder if a SRV could handle another 100 lbs back there or an STV Euro? 21+ Checkmate. i cant wait to see how fast some of those hull can go when there equiped with this engine!!

**MODVP22** · 03-19-2015, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by 1BadAction

Not as much on this thread, but I haven't seen so much internet ass-hurt since the first V-Rat was produced. People bitch and whine like the thing is the reason why there aren't anymore 280s. They will sell more 400s their first full production year than they sold 280s in their entire production run. Fact. THAT is why the 2.5 is going away, because in spite of all the piehole running on the internet, they sold very few of them in the grand scheme of things.

As far as optimaxs spinning like 2.5 EFIs or drags, it'll will NEVER happen. If it was possible and as easy as all the armchair engineers think, Merc would have screwed the opti gear on a 2.5EFI and had a 280 Optimax in 2006. The 200XS runs nice for a 2 stroke, but it's still unrefined and archaic compared to the new generation of outboards, oh, and it's power to weight ratio isn't as good as the 400.

A Verado of any kind was never meant to do the job of a 300 drag, never will, just like a 300 drag will never do the job that a 300 Verado can. I can't fathom why that's so hard for so many people on this site to understand.

Just sayin, I know what I would expect if I paid that kind of money for a 1350.

Seriously Jim? If Mercury does it, then it must be the best available...that's how we're supposed interpret everything huh? The Verado is a $100 million project POS and they are trying to sugar coat it. As a Brunswick investor-SELL SELL SELL! What you got going with the accountants that run that company anyway? I seriously can't believe you're slobbing Mercury's knob on everything they do. Comical. Let me guess-they make the best props too, and the best accessories, oh and the boat companies they own build the best boats on the planet

BTW, who said anything about a #6 drive and 850SC? Hell no, go to Teague and B-Max for half the $ and end up with a better product anyway

**aeneas** · 03-19-2015, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Chaz

There stuck with each other . Both will have stuff for sale that the average guy cannot or will not really want or be able to afford .
But like they say in the car market .. there's an azz for every seat .. Guys who want what others cant afford is the only thing they will "settle" for ....

Yes, they are killing their own market... Who thinks there is less pollution and less consumption with a larger engine. Who thinks the boats being built to carry these big inefficient lumps are more efficient than a smaller lighter boat. Who thinks the average Joe will go out and buy a boat with two or more of these... Who thinks he can afford it? HEY BRUNSWICK, YOU GOT IT WRONG! WHEN YOU STOP THE OPTIMAX TWO STROKE PRODUCTION YOU WILL BE OUT OF THE OUTBOARD MARKET!

Originally Posted by NAVISPEED1

Gen 1 are 202hp (I have these)

2010+ Gen 2 are 240ish

Did you dyno them? If so sell yours, there is something wrong with them...

**whipper** · 03-19-2015, 06:08 PM

Theres more high performance boats 16-24 than any other size by a large margin ill bet? Most not all run the 300xs as there highest hp option. There weight make them not the ideal choice but that's all there is since Merc stopped making lighter HP motors. Im sure alot of guys would trade in there 300xs if there was a lighter 300 that spun a few more R,s. Its these sized high performance boaters that made mers what it was. Now there abandoning them. I hope if Merc just wants to kill the high performance market in the area they have dominated for so long that OMC with all there engineering can come up with a motor that is for the masses other than what merc thinks is high performance in just a 175xs or a 200xs. With the 300xs although a good motor lacks alot in performance and power to weight that there good stuff used to. 225Pm 260Drag 280,S3000. Just one motor like a 280 at least for the average joe that makes up for 90% of the boating public in high performance outboards. Make it sub 440 and as many litres as ya want at least 280hp with a few rpm please. Someone!

**olboatman** · 03-19-2015, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by whipper

Theres more high performance boats 16-24 than any other size by a large margin ill bet? Most not all run the 300xs as there highest hp option. There weight make them not the ideal choice but that's all there is since Merc stopped making lighter HP motors. Im sure alot of guys would trade in there 300xs if there was a lighter 300 that spun a few more R,s. Its these sized high performance boaters that made mers what it was. Now there abandoning them. I hope if Merc just wants to kill the high performance market in the area they have dominated for so long that OMC with all there engineering can come up with a motor that is for the masses other than what merc thinks is high performance in just a 175xs or a 200xs. With the 300xs although a good motor lacks alot in performance and power to weight that there good stuff used to. 225Pm 260Drag 280,S3000. Just one motor like a 280 at least for the average joe that makes up for 90% of the boating public in high performance outboards. Make it sub 440 and as many litres as ya want at least 280hp with a few rpm please. Someone!

I also feel that BRP will produce the next generation of performance 2stroke outboards. Being into the smaller end of performance boating, hp to lbs is real important. Either way it goes I have (must be my age!) no need (or want) to drive a 4stroke on the road all day then go home and fly one down the pond!!! I don't care if I am a Dino---- don't even like 4stroke yard tools. Jmo Gary

**Rayzor** · 03-19-2015, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by whipper

Those should move your 24 along quite rapidity!!! ill bet faster than she would with any other outboards on the planet at this time say 130+!

See now when Dave cracks the code for 8000 rpm youll be 150 with 35,s and 1.62,s!! haha sick right there!

Ok I take it back these motors are good for quite a few sub 25fters. The 24 Skater probably the best hull for twins in the smallest size out there for these 400r,s!! Might be a bit much for a 21 Skater but great for busting 100 with even a single ill bet! 21 and up Progression, Trick,21+ tuff,Challanger, wonder if a SRV could handle another 100 lbs back there or an STV Euro? 21+ Checkmate. i cant wait to see how fast some of those hull can go when there equiped with this engine!!

I completely disagree with you - these new 400s are too heavy for a 28, much less anything 25' and under.

**Onetime** · 03-20-2015, 12:07 AM

A 24 Skater with a pair of these 400's on it is ludicrous. The 24 was designed for twin engines weighing in at 375 pounds each. To think you can put twin engines on weighing 300 pounds more each for a total of 600 pounds on the transom extra over design.......well you figure it out!

**JWTjr.** · 03-20-2015, 12:42 AM

You've gotta be kidding me. The 280 production number is well, well over 200. The 280 was built from late '98 to the last ones in 2005. 200 would make the average only about 30 per year. I don't know the exact number, but I remember during a plant tour in 2004 being told well over 200 per year were made for more than a few years. I'd guess there are a couple thousand at least.

**RUM RUNNER 305** · 03-20-2015, 12:51 AM

You can call me Ludicrous all you want I would try it.. Someone told me 300xs motors were to heavy for a 24 Skater back in 2011 when I was looking at boats to buy...seems to work pretty good to me.. My jack plates are stainless steel and weight 90lbs each.. So the 400's with no or light weight jack plates would probably be about tithe same.. There are pictures online somewhere of a 24 white and purple with heavy Verado motors.. Probably slow as balls but still.. I wouldn't say it can't be done.