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07-11-2020, 06:05 PM #12586The Historic Photo Master
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...Magnum Missile was a completely different hull than the StarCraft T-170 Eliminator & the Duo Mystry. Magnum was different & a shorter boat altogether.
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07-11-2020, 06:09 PM #12587The Historic Photo Master
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...The Starcraft & the Duo tunnels were a hull copy of Jan Schoonover's Dutchman 16' tunnel, that Jan produced from about 1966 to about 1970...
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07-11-2020, 06:18 PM #12588The Historic Photo Master
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...In the winter of 1970, Vic Porter, and Mel Smith, both with Duo at the time, visited Dutchman in Lima Ohio & a tunnel boat was purchased. They took it back to the plant & tooled the Duo Mystry 17 with their design deck. The boat weighed approximately 650 pounds. Duo was known in the 70's for copying many other boat company's designs. Tri-hulls, V's, all types...
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07-11-2020, 06:25 PM #12589The Historic Photo Master
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...Very few Mystry's were produced as it didn't sell well & dealers knew it, so very few dealers ordered one. The Duo dealers were too busy selling & making money with the other, better family oriented Duo boat line of boats...
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07-11-2020, 06:31 PM #12590The Historic Photo Master
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...So the Duo Mystry tunnel molds were bought by StarCraft, which they called the T-170 Eliminator, and only a few were made in an attempt to promote the product. The T-170 was built heavier than the Duo at closer to 1000 pounds. Coincidentally, Duo and StarCraft at the time, were both owned by Bangor Punta Corporation...
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07-11-2020, 07:01 PM #125917000 RPM
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07-11-2020, 07:16 PM #12592The Historic Photo Master
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...me too gene. but everyone needs to compare the hulls...not the decks. having been in the plastic boat business, everyone also needs to understand that when a new boat mold is tooled from a wood plug that was a boat, they are not tooled just like the wood boat(plug) identically. design changes have to be made that allows parts to be pulled from the finished mold. no reverse angles, a minimal amount of hull side draft angle(s), sharp corners & edges need to be eliminated, transom angles need to work, and so on. so the finished product counter-part is never going to be just like the wood plug it was pulled from... and then of course, the deck designs are almost always changed radically, to reflect the new owners taste...and to minimalize the recognition of the boat it was copied from...
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07-11-2020, 07:17 PM #12593The Historic Photo Master
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07-12-2020, 01:33 AM #12594Screaming And Flying!
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Look fellas, its good to discuss, rightly or wrongly, i always ASSUMED the Maggmiss was a Molinari take off. No, I don’t have a shred of evidence. I knew both Dieter Schultze and Angelo Molinari as far back as 1963. Visited both factories many times. Dieters operation was nothing like Angelo’s. It was more like a large converted chicken shed with just one lady helping him part time. Both were highly competitive hydroplane racers, designers and builders. Angelo had a much more professional set up. A purpose built factory and skilled workers, with a number of boats being built at any one time.
Dieter built one at a time and only to order.
I was surprised to hear he had sent both a dual engine and a single engine boat to the USA at one time. He was not a wealthy man and each boat paid for the next.
I don’t remember him ever supplying “The Factories” . I do know he raced in Havasu on a tight budget. He also supplied quite a few private individuals in both the USA and England with raceboats.
On the other hand , its my understanding that Aronow visited Como and knew Angelo. Which lead me to believe that the MagMiss was based on a Molinari.
Then Theres the fact that my own observations are, i have never seen a Schultze race boat that looked anything like the MagMiss. I have seen Molinari’s that did look similar to it.
I do not disbelieve Rich when he tells me two boats by Schulze were imported and Aronow bought one to copy.
Then Suddenly Gene tells me it was a Schultze???
Mark is looking into the test/spread sheets from lake X , he thinks he had the results from the Magmiss and ROY Ridgell’s first Molinari. All the measurements will be there. I know this doesn’t prove a thing, but it may be a step closer to solving the mystery.
Why was it not stated where the design came from? Austria or Italy ?
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07-12-2020, 10:40 AM #12595The Historic Photo Master
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...allan brown ( aka brownie) was head of magnum on n.e. 188th street north miami beach when the missile & the marauder were tooled...
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Don Aronow, Dieter Schulze, where are you guys when we need clarification.
And we could use the likes of many others like ... (some I knew) Sirois, Bakos, Pruett, Gary G, and Roy R, to help keep the pot stirred.
Thank goodness the dialogue continues today with the likes of ... Jackie, Gene, Fujimo, Willabee, Brownie, Lars, Rich, and others in the know. Hopefully their memories serves them, and us, down the correct wake zone.
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07-12-2020, 04:15 PM #12598Screaming And Flying!
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Gene, i have no reason to disbelieve you when you say it was a Schultze. But you can’t just leave it at that! HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE.?
Or is it just a gut feeling?
Same thing with you Brownie, I’ll listen to any explanation you care to give me! Or is it again, just a gut feeling.
Reason I question this is the fact that I never ever saw a Schultze that looked even remotely like the MagMiss!
What year did Dieter Schulze first race in Havasu? I was there in 1969 and saw him. I think he told me he raced there in ‘68, but my memory’s shot!
Maybe RON Hill still has the 60’s race programme!
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For sure? over 50 years ago??
For sure--it was not from Don Aronow's drawing board--like most successul people he got ALL the credit--very little left over for others-
Some lf the others--I knew nearly 60 years ago-
Nicky Chapman---never got the credit---could he have built the plug? but his wood working definitely was a huge part of DA's success
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07-12-2020, 08:53 PM #12600The Historic Photo Master
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...a rare 1970 Duo Mystry 17 advertisement. they had a 90'' beam & were $1450.00 F.O.B. Decatur, Indiana...