Aces IV

[wired247]

I could dissolve polystyrene in gas and light it on fire . It would do the same thing. Not sure why that "test" would be an indicator of anything

[HStream1]

Ya know Man. I am truly sorry what you experienced> I myself would have negative conclusions in your case if were you. I am sorry that you dont have scientific proof that ACES destroyed your engines. And I am also sorry you want to place the total blame on a product that MANY use with no negative results. You are one isolated case and only one. I also contacted you about what ACES you have remaining (and I'll wait until you have time to see) I have a reason for that. Could you have recieved a bad batch? Or was it simply bad fuel? I don't know and we never will.

But the as you say and reference "goo" it is a lubricity residue as best as I can tell. I believe it is absorbed in the pores of the metal or simply spent and exausted in the combustion cycle. Regardless I' still want to see actual Knock results and thats why I offered $100.00 up front and will honor that offer untill such time I see there is not enough contributors to support the testing that Wired is willing to have done.

[skydog]

Yea man I wish u guys luck with your test. But for me labs,test, ect ect. For me on the water is the best real world test if it works or not. And it was not close in my application to work. But again wish u guys the best luck.
Ty Skydog

[jphii]

Count me in for 50. I'm with Sam & skydog, I wanna see some test results.

[olboatman]

Hey guys if we have trouble getting the funds---Should we post a thread lookin for contributors. I'll give them a note for the tax deduction!LOL Gary

[wired247]

Yea man I wish u guys luck with your test. But for me labs,test, ect ect. For me on the water is the best real world test if it works or not. And it was not close in my application to work. But again wish u guys the best luck.
Ty Skydog

The whole thing is if you had known before your disaster what the tested performance of the fuel with the additive was then you could have better planned compression, timing etc. or decided if you wanted to use actual high octane fuel in the first place.
If I have a high compression, high timing, etc motor that I know will not run on 91 octane but I know will run on 96 octane just fine, I wouldnt pour 91 octane into it with assurances from Joseph Blow on the internet that it will work if I put a PPM mix of blend X into it.

I'm still working on finding a more reasonably priced testing facility. It looks like we might be on the way tyo getting enough up for an octane test. I am Joe Blow. You don't know me from Adam. I'll get a test arranged but when it comes time to collect money if you guys have someone you trust to act as the "treasurer" for this test then by all means go with him. I'll gladly send my share in.

[HStream1]

So noted on post 124 bringing us to $440.00
We have one that commited that never specified $$ so this could change.

Count me in for 50. I'm with Sam & skydog, I wanna see some test results.

[skydog]

Little more info GN7 knows his stuff HUGE!!!!!
http://www.performanceboats.com/dyno...e-booster.html

[wired247]

Little more info GN7 knows his stuff HUGE!!!!!
http://www.performanceboats.com/dyno...e-booster.html

"You do understand that a point in octane rating is .01 octane right. As in it would take 10 oz to raise it one full octane number.
Nothing that isn't labeled "for off road use only" and contains a good quantity of lead is going to raise your octane 9 points per oz in a gallon. If you believe there is, I am happy for you.
I have used ACES, it nothing more than petro chemicals, and there is NOTHING in it that isn't already in all gasoline. There is a EPA law that states that you cannot sell ANY fuel additive for street use that contains ANYTHING that doesn't already exsist in the fuel its added to. Almost ALL octane boosters are mostly toluene. You would be better off buying straight toluene fro Home Depot and adding it. Its cheaper.

There are additives that will improve the combustion and can raise the "EFFECTIVE" octane of a fuel. Ethanol is one such thing. But most additives that raise the "effective" octane of a fuel do so by lowering the combustion temperture. Octane is tests are conducted at a given prescribed temperture. You have to be able to raise the KNOCK index of the fuel, you can't simply FOOL the engine by lowering the intake temperture and as well as the combustion temperture.

Go read ACES web site. It clearly states it raises the "effective" octane rating. I am very familiar with the stuff, and its not a "real" octane booster like the old Moroso, the old Torco "race only" or Supreme 130.

By the way, ACES is a great "after combustion" cylinder lubricant, it will extend the life of the bores and rings, as well as the valve seats and guides/stems. Thats how I got into the stuff years ago. Its also markets under at least one or two other names that I won't go into. It good stuff, but it is what it is.

Feeding an engine cool air instead of hot under hood air, as well as richening up the fuel mixture will help stave off detonation. It has the "effect" of raising the octane. But it does not raise the octane of the fuel. Its still the same fuel."

[HStream1]

Apples and Pomagranets. GN7 is refering to a specific not to use fuel and is recommending a specific Octane booster. ACES never claims to be a Octane booster. Thats what this is all aboutr. it's not a Octane booster only a effect product. So why and how does it really work?

Little more info GN7 knows his stuff HUGE!!!!!
http://www.performanceboats.com/dyno...e-booster.html

[motorheadbishop]

All I can say is, I can run 180 cranking PSI compression
with 93 octane and Aces @ 1oz. to 6 gallons...
And run tank after tank with absolutly NO issues...

NOW... Long story short, I have ran my motor with 180 compression
when I thought my 145 heads were on...93 octane no aces... Lets just say I burned about 3 gallons till #5 piston said see ya!!! and 3 out of the other 5 pistons had started to pepper the
piston tops... Just my unexperianced experiance...

It works for me!!!

[HStream1]

WHAT. No way Mike. Just got off the phone with Pop about the same subjuct. Hows it going?

All I can say is, I can run 180 cranking PSI compression
with 93 octane and Aces @ 1oz. to 6 gallons...
And run tank after tank with absolutly NO issues...

NOW... Long story short, I have ran my motor with 180 compression
when I thought my 145 heads were on...93 octane no aces... Lets just say I burned about 3 gallons till #5 piston said see ya!!! and 3 out of the other 5 pistons had started to pepper the
piston tops... Just my unexperianced experiance...

It works for me!!!

[Forkin' Crazy]

So noted on post 124 bringing us to $440.00
We have one that commited that never specified $$ so this could change.

I'll throw in 60 to make it an even 500.

So is this one test with one octane fuel? Or will they do 87 and 91/93?

I wouldn't mind trying the stuff. Especially to carry around in the boat for fueling on the water. You never really know what you get. It'd be cheap insurance.

[Capt.Insane-o]

I've used in my 2.0 liters with no issues. These are big rpm motors and are propped pretty light, but will eat themselves on 93 octane. It took some tuning and fuel curve tweaking but they responded great to it. It's just easier for me to buy 100 oct unleaded race fuel by the 4 drum pallet. I have used it in customers boats (opti's in particular) that had large quantitities very marginal fuel, and it works amazingly well though I do not advise it and was done per customer request.

[HStream1]

So far it looks like this for commitment to contribute totaling $600.00 so far. We are there!!!

Mark75
Wired
Dave
Hstream1
Olboatman
mrcrsr
Instigator
jphil
Forkin Crazy
Chaz