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    Hq .....

    Quote Originally Posted by Powercat View Post
    HQ in Italy
    That is a very interesting shot of the shop on post #6. I've been there several times and where they are launching the boat, have never seen that section of the wall removed. Molinari launched to the left on the corner where you see another opening. The floor was rolled to the right of where you see it and the boats were hoisted down to the water. I'm guessing that photo is from the Torrigia days and that Molinari closed that wall up after they moved in.
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    Molinaris I have flown...... I'll start with the best one.

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    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
    (Single engine boats are lacking something)

    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
    (The exception proves the rule)
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    oops......


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    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
    (Single engine boats are lacking something)

    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
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    more to come....
    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
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    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
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    Any guess on how many boats Molinari produced a year in their "heyday"?
    Thx-

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    Quote Originally Posted by T2x View Post
    Molinaris I have flown...... I'll start with the best one.

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    And a couple more.....
    If the camel back is a Moli----then that's a very rare one indeed ------a pickle camel back Molinari ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by lars strom View Post
    This is a very special Molinari boat.

    Built in aluminum and Renato raced it in the 1982 F1-V8 series.
    In the first race in Leon, Spain that year Renato was leading the race when
    something went wrong in a turn..The boat sank in less the a minute.

    He came back to the next race in Como and won with the same boat.


    Yes..I know this because I was in Leon and Como racing F-3.
    The one and only Molinari Alloy boat I remember was built for a Scottish dentist named Alan Nimmo, Had a very chequered history as I recall and didn't last anywhere near as long as the tree built. Think it was commissioned -----but payment was slow forthcoming so Renato used it---long and weird story with a very unhappy ending----Nimmo never raced again, [as far as i can recall from my little grey cells]

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    Velden boats

    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    Spot on John, but the question begs ,like the chicken and the egg, Was Molinari a copy of the Torrigia ????? or Vise Versa????
    I loved all my Molinaris [ four] and they were the best in my time.
    My son Mark thinks the Burgess was then the best---but was overtaken by the Seebold.
    Velden was never in the same league.
    I would agree Molinari boats were the best but i don`t agree Veldon boats were never in the same league` Cees built his own boat first one in 1975 and he raced it in South Africa and won with it ` he had now gone from Mercury back to OMC engines he raced his first sprint boat at Cardiff in 1975 and won the World Championship beating both Molinari 2nd and Hering 3rd with Mercury engines.1976/77 Molinari/Hering/Anderson left Mercury for OMC with Molinari now supplying boats to OMC in 1977.I do know Cees had Chris Hodges over in Holland helping with build quality issues and at the end of 1976/77 Garbrecht had Cees back in the Mercury camp to build boats for Mercury in Europe.The first boats for mercury didn`t run good enough and i was told Bill Seebold sent someone over to sort out the problems`now this is my opinion only that some of Cees boats were the same as Bill Seebolds and some ran with Seebold back cowls when Bill came over to race them it made sense for Garbrecht moneywise.1978/79 when the T4 Mercury engines came out i think bill used his own boats and Cees went back to OMC engines again and his boat design changed again from the Seebolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STEVERINO View Post
    I would agree Molinari boats were the best but i don`t agree Veldon boats were never in the same league` Cees built his own boat first one in 1975 and he raced it in South Africa and won with it ` he had now gone from Mercury back to OMC engines he raced his first sprint boat at Cardiff in 1975 and won the World Championship beating both Molinari 2nd and Hering 3rd with Mercury engines.1976/77 Molinari/Hering/Anderson left Mercury for OMC with Molinari now supplying boats to OMC in 1977.I do know Cees had Chris Hodges over in Holland helping with build quality issues and at the end of 1976/77 Garbrecht had Cees back in the Mercury camp to build boats for Mercury in Europe.The first boats for mercury didn`t run good enough and i was told Bill Seebold sent someone over to sort out the problems`now this is my opinion only that some of Cees boats were the same as Bill Seebolds and some ran with Seebold back cowls when Bill came over to race them it made sense for Garbrecht moneywise.1978/79 when the T4 Mercury engines came out i think bill used his own boats and Cees went back to OMC engines again and his boat design changed again from the Seebolds.
    Willabee can tell you the correct tale of the Veldens and the Seebolds !!!!!!!!!!
    Cees did the initial building for GG but they were falling to bits too easily .
    Seebold was given the task of building team boats.
    Leo would be a good guy to tell the story--------he worked with Cees and Billy.
    Tons of lies, double dealings and skullduggery surround that period of Boat racing history !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lars strom View Post
    no..that is not correct at all jackie..allan nimmo raced f1-v8 with me 1983..check here first picture..http://svera.se/blogg/f1-v8/f1-v8-pictures-mixed/
    molinari also used the aluminum boat in bristol 1982 and was leading when the power trim stopped working and seebold won with his 2 liter rig.

    Well..later that year (1982) the aluminum boat was involved in an accident at idroscalo..it was an italian driver..(not renato) crashing with another italian driver..
    Renato was forced by omc to go back to wooden race boat..!!

    Yes..i know this because i was at every f1-v8 race driving my f-3 burgess/evinrude cc 1981 and 82..1983 i started to race f1-v8,
    "forced to go back to wood" after 1 tin boat----somehow lasse, i don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    Tons of lies, double dealings and skullduggery surround that period of Boat racing history !!!!!!!
    Lol, seems like the boat industry has that going on most of the time in one from or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    If the camel back is a Moli----then that's a very rare one indeed ------a pickle camel back Molinari ???
    If you are talking about the "camel back" rear cowl...and I think you are (Can't be sure with you in many cases), I have never seen one on anything but a Molinari pickle fork...I don't think they existed when the full tunnels were built.

    The above hull came with both cowl styles but the straight one (shown) was more stable at speed. It was also one of the last T2x hulls that Mercury received from Molinari. Bobby raced it once and then was limited to Team T3 stuff only, so it got passed on to me basically brand new. It was set up to run with both V6 power and the inline and was the only hull of that group (Reggie's Miami Marine Stadium iconic back flipper and "Sutter's Gold" were the other 2, I believe) with inward canted sponsons and downforce on the forward deck. It arrived along with the final Moli T3 hulls just before Billy's hulls became the weapon of choice for black power.

    T2x
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    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
    (Single engine boats are lacking something)

    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
    (The exception proves the rule)
    Obsolete and Proud of it

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    This one (with a camel back) was Reggie's last T3 Molinari, and, after switching him to a Seebold, the boys at Oshkosh made a few "test changes". They angled the port sponson outward in the forward 6 feet, so that when you dropped the bow, it turned left with no wheel input....a disaster. We got it and rebuilt the sponson as God and Angelo originally intended and ran it at one event before Havasu where the other sponson bottom delaminated...
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    Last edited by T2x; 01-28-2013 at 05:52 PM.
    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
    (Single engine boats are lacking something)

    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
    (The exception proves the rule)
    Obsolete and Proud of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLEGATOR View Post
    Reggies back flipper did not have canted sponsons when I got it from Bob Thompson. Billy Joe Broughton and I modified the left sponson for that reason.
    Jim:

    I never said Reggie's hull did....

    Please re-read my post ...."It (mine) was set up to run with both V6 power and the inline and was the only hull of that group ........with inward canted sponsons and downforce on the forward deck."

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    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
    (Single engine boats are lacking something)

    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
    (The exception proves the rule)
    Obsolete and Proud of it

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    Here's the last Molinari I raced in.....very lightly used T3 hull (I think Billy tested it without actually seeing any competition..He was deep into his own boats by then) with a deep tunnel and steeper dihedral for rough water. It was a good 5 mph slower than Reggie's but rode much better.... in hindsight this is the hull we should have taken to Havasu that year. I also had a new sprint Seebold at that time and used this one for rougher races along the east coast...and for powerhead break in. I let a racer and friend who worked for me at Shadow run it at a local event. He flipped it right next to me ...and totaled it. We were gearing up for the 30' Shadow Cat production and had a complete boat plant building our 21 Challenger/ Shadows at that time, but "All the kings horses", couldn't fix that one.
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    Last edited by T2x; 01-28-2013 at 06:13 PM.
    20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
    !6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
    15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
    (Single engine boats are lacking something)

    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
    (The exception proves the rule)
    Obsolete and Proud of it

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