Fastest SOB hull???

**specboatops** · 01-04-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by tux974

Also the poster of this thread IMPO has gotten so great back ground and info.

Have to agree on that ! even for guys that don't run these boats, it's been a fun read and a great informational thread !

Chris

**mariawhitetrash** · 01-04-2013, 11:25 AM

You can have the fastest hull in the world and 500hp, if the set-up is wrong it'll never hit a decent speed or be fun to drive!

**Mitchie** · 01-04-2013, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by berzerko

Goes back to the same discussion from the start... My challenger when goneby had a 300 xs on it 85 mph, tuff only 150 lbs lighter yet 20 mph faster at altitude in fresh water....better bottom blah blah blah.... Better materials blah blah blah. I guess I'm just ignorant or stupid or both
great thread by the way

Jamescole tm. Ran 84mph with his original challenger and an old ox66 Yamaha. I feel like I'm from florida now... lol.

**berzerko** · 01-04-2013, 11:49 AM

Yea but his boat is set up for strictly top speed with a ridiculous amount of set back that would brake even a tuff transom in the rough

**Jamescole** · 01-04-2013, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mitchie

Jamescole tm. Ran 84mph with his original challenger and an old ox66 Yamaha. I feel like I'm from florida now... lol.

False...
83.3 MPH with my 250 Ox66 1.75 cone lower @ 6600 RPM with a 28 PRO ET

and

83 with my 250 HPDI 1.75 HPDI lower@ 6200 with a 27 M1

**Donat** · 01-04-2013, 11:59 AM

I just revived a massage thru Facebook from one of the 21 Tuff owner. He wants to sale it to get new one. If anybody wants details pm me. He claims speed close to 100 with 250. I Will not give up engine make in open forum

**Mitchie** · 01-04-2013, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jamescole

False...
83.3 MPH with my 250 Ox66 1.75 cone lower @ 6600 RPM with a 28 PRO ET

and

83 with my 250 HPDI 1.75 HPDI lower@ 6200 with a 27 M1

And 6 feet of set back. lol.
In all seriousness I followed you into parry sound in windchop in the low to mid 80's and I was not catching you. (I ofcourse had about 5 more inches of throttle.. nbd). Littlecharger was in the passenger seat.
I would imagine that the 85mph challenger with the XS either was set up for rough water or needs a moisture reading/straight edge put on the pad. RBT was running around 89 if I'm not mistaken with his aerated pad Challenger with a 300pm.

**mikeylarge** · 01-04-2013, 12:19 PM

Keep in mind, the old challengers/shadows/superboats were not built with as much precision as the builders do today. Their layup/building materials often varied from boat to boat...... Just because you have 2 challengers does not mean they are built with the same materials, or weigh within a few pounds of eachother. Intimidator had a lower priced version of the 21 also, which was heavier then the famous red one...

**Jamescole** · 01-04-2013, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by mikeylarge

Keep in mind, the old challengers/shadows/superboats were not built with as much precision as the builders do today. Their layup/building materials often varied from boat to boat...... Just because you have 2 challengers does not mean they are built with the same materials, or weigh within a few pounds of eachother. Intimidator had a lower priced version of the 21 also, which was heavier then the famous red one...

mike i'm glad you chimed in ..... because there is no one i would rather race when i come for a visit then you and your new 300....lol

**mikeylarge** · 01-04-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jamescole

mike i'm glad you chimed in ..... because there is no one i would rather race when i come for a visit then you and your new 300....lol

I have no further comment on that until I dial the boat in and see what it does..... Lol

**Mitchie** · 01-04-2013, 12:37 PM

I'm not saying it would not eventually break... But have you seen a TUFF transom? I don't want to be in a TUFF when the transom falls out of it, because you likely were falling off niagara falls.

**dnelson964** · 01-04-2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jamescole

mike i'm glad you chimed in ..... because there is no one i would rather race when i come for a visit then you and your new 300....lol

James... you have a 'well' dialed in Original Challenger w/ a HPDI 300 Vmax. Your boat is heavier then the progression 22....this will good to see what a 'gray' motor is capable of.

But Mikey might have to get passed my 250vmax first before he can get a crack at you.

**Mitchie** · 01-04-2013, 12:42 PM

This is not a TUFF.. But built with the same materials and If I am not mistaken the same style. DoktorC and JS built it and can verify if I'm and idiot or not.

**Mitchie** · 01-04-2013, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by dnelson964

James... you have a 'well' dialed in Original Challenger w/ a HPDI 300 Vmax. Your boat is heavier then the progression 22....this will good to see what a 'gray' motor is capable of.

The best part is ... Jamescole just bolts on a motor and goes... The GODs set it up for him. lol