Fastest SOB hull???

[Brabender]

Wildman throws the dice all the time... In addition to all the money he lays out for rigging
And paint. He has a ton of time invested in each... But they do sell.

[mikeylarge]

Mr. P ...... I would have a hard time turning down 35 cash for my 22 progression with a brand new 300xs on it, I have more fun building them then keeping them..... And I absolutely love my boat

[mrpenguin]

Mr. P ...... I would have a hard time turning down 35 cash for my 22 progression with a brand new 300xs on it, I have more fun building them then keeping them..... And I absolutely love my boat

I completely understand. I have hit the point of what would be next though. If you sold then what? You would do it all over again.

Wildman certainly does throw down the dice but I think he had a different market in FL and I would wager most of his customer are not the live/breath/die outboard fans that we are. I picture the guy with the 21 checkmate 300xs combo owner as someone with money that wants to look cool at the sandbar. I could be wrong.

[mikeylarge]

26 sutphen or 27 krypto center console , with a set of black motors! Would be next

[JR IN JAX]

If the market was there, Daris would finish the new Grandsport and might be the best overall, especially with the least horsepower.

[DoktorC]

This has very little to do with this thread but I swear I saw a 21 with US plates up here a couple of days ago....is someone trading in their old 21 for something shines and new???

[DoktorC]

If the market was there, Daris would finish the new Grandsport and might be the best overall, especially with the least horsepower.

Ya...and you throw 8 of your friends out of the boat instead of just 3.......

[tux974]

There is no innovation or aggressive new ideas and our market is dead. I think the key lies in downsizing our engines to get the cost under control. I think that a fast 21ft boat with a 6ft beam and a 150hp would generate new sales. But then again, I am playing armchair entrepreneur and not putting money on the table.

I find this statement above funny after all your other postings;
How much do you think it would cost to build a 21' 6 or 7' beam today? Then add a 150, rigging, steering and trailer. Basically bare bones build.

Keep in mind if you want to build something that will be marketable and fill someones desire in today's market you better build something good, innovative, with good quality materials, make sure it will hold up, put some decent rigging hardware, and a 150 not sure that would even be a consideration...... Guys in the 21' boat market are looking for 300+ hp.

I'm done, we all have our own opinion!

[tux974]

tell u what.... Pastboat sure could drive the bal_z out of that activator.
Good old Wed nights, he would bounce from side to side for at least a 1/4 mile but kept control

Ok tux i couldn't find mpo in my text abbreviation dictionary...what does that mean?

MY PERSONAL OPINION

[vnemous]

No liquids after midnight

[Jamescole]

This has very little to do with this thread but I swear I saw a 21 with US plates up here a couple of days ago....is someone trading in their old 21 for something shines and new???

you must be seeing things.

[DoktorC]

you must be seeing things.

Oh no....do I smell another BCB "repair"?? All that floating bondo is going to be a navigational hazard for the GSB guys lol

[Greg G]

Innovation in SOB has not been around (at least in the USA) since Progression came out with their P22. Everything since then simply used existing ideas/designs based off of Linders design. We can argue what new technology would be best but reality is that even the hottest new design would still be a white whale as everyone is running boats that are 10 years. The speed argument is moot since it all depends on conditions and who is fine breaking their boats.

I only partially agree. Nordic's 21 is a new bottom design, as is the Sutphen and Bernico. As you say, Progression designed a brand new bottom, and it seems like Tuff made some very substantial design updates to the Tuff 21's bottom. Budget is not what started this thread, hell, you can't bench race on a budget! The real question is which hull is fastest across a wide range of conditions, from snotty to smooth. Race the (5) new $75k boats in the Scream+Fly 'round Manhattan Cup, against all the 10 year old+ white whales, and see who wins. Full tank of 93-$200 ...... Labbed Prop-$400 ...... Winning The White Whale Challenge - Priceless

Tuff 21 hull 950lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam (Confirmed 100MPH)
Progression 22 hull 948lbs – 22’1” Long, 7’8” Beam
Bernico F2 21 hull 705lbs– 21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam (Confirmed 100MPH)
Nordic Crossfire 21 hull N/A– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam
Sutphen 21 SS hull N/A –20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam

[Greg G]

And again the Gang of Five .............Tuff, Progression, Bernico, Nordic, Sutphen

[mrpenguin]

I find this statement above funny after all your other postings;
How much do you think it would cost to build a 21' 6 or 7' beam today? Then add a 150, rigging, steering and trailer. Basically bare bones build.

Keep in mind if you want to build something that will be marketable and fill someones desire in today's market you better build something good, innovative, with good quality materials, make sure it will hold up, put some decent rigging hardware, and a 150 not sure that would even be a consideration...... Guys in the 21' boat market are looking for 300+ hp.

I'm done, we all have our own opinion!

My logic behind that thought was to think of something to help get the price down of SOB boats. I think that the bottom line of why new SOB's are not selling is simply the cost. I know that I would certainly be looking at a new boat if you could get the cost in mid 20s/low 30s. The main driving factor (1/3 the cost) is the price of outboard engines. A brand new 150hp outboard can be had for around $10k. If you look at single outboard racing all of over the world, you will see that they are going smaller. My thought is that a 20ft hull specifically built for smaller power may change the market. It has else where. That was my train of thought. We are all entitled to our own opinions.