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    Quote Originally Posted by Brabender View Post
    Tux that is bench racing at its finest
    i think Eddie L vs pitbull would be close and very entertaining
    I seem to remember your brother right next to eddy that year

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    A Tuff is a much better rough water boat than an SS2000. I drove a Tuff briefly and ran over some cruiser wakes. It handled them way better than my SS.

    Why would the Progression be better in the rough than a Tuff? I can see the Bernico being worse - it has a wider pad from what I can see on their web site.

    Mark would be a ringer driver - he has a lot of racing experience, including offshore and Mod VP.
    You said it...Bernico, Nordic, Highmaintenance boat are purpose built boats. If you just wanted to build a fast boat we could but it would not hold up worth a dam in ruff water. I will post pic of bernico bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Mark would be a ringer driver - he has a lot of racing experience, including offshore and Mod VP.
    that is why I put his name up on the list Nice guy also!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brabender View Post
    Tux that is bench racing at its finest
    i think Eddie L vs pitbull would be close and very entertaining
    neither one would let up until something broke....

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    The pad on the High Maintenance boat is 10.3"

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    [QUOTE=David;2419844]A Tuff is a much better rough water boat than an SS2000. I drove a Tuff briefly and ran over some cruiser wakes. It handled them way better than my SS.

    Why would the Progression be better in the rough than a Tuff? I can see the Bernico being worse - it has a wider pad from what I can see on their web site.

    Bernico was built for big water...The one I have that won the would Champinship 2003 has a v pad and 13+" You all are missing the point do you want a fast boat in big water or a fast boat in sorta big water everything changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 302Sport View Post
    21-24ft, what is the fastest with a single outboard??? Run the Long Island sound, so looking for something that would run decent in some slop
    What happened to 302Sport? This discussion is really tailor made for 21's and 22's, forget the 24's. I'd like to see a Scream and Fly Challenge. All the old school guys could "run what they brung" against the 5 brand new boats that use the latest materials and lay-up techniques along with ballast tanks and more modern bottom designs. Start could be Port Washington, then down under the Throgs Neck and into the East River. Run down to the Statue of Liberty then turn North and run up the Hudson River through all that ferry slop. Turn into the Harlem River at Columbia and enjoy some flat water south. Then back to Port Washington. That would throw all kind of water conditions at the hulls and drivers and still be completed on one tank of gas. Then refuel with 93 and take a cruise.

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    neither one would let up until something broke....

    You all should come out ski racing that is what we do every weekend. Race 2 time a day for up to hour + 1 lap and see how long you can keep your foot into it.

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    My money would be on the Bernico F2 Extreme .............lightest, with ballast tank if/when needed, and narrow beam. 100mph with stock power.

    Tuff 21 hull weight = 950lbs 208 Long, 77 Beam
    Progression 22 hull weight =<s>1225</s> lbs ..948lbs 221 Long, 78 Beam
    Bernico F2 21 hull weight = 705lbs 213 Long, 63 Beam
    Nordic Crossfire 21 hull weight= N/A 21 Long, 71 Beam
    Sutphen 21 SS hull weight = N/A 209 Long, 72 Beam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    My money would be on the Bernico F2 Extreme .............lightest, with ballast tank if/when needed, and narrow beam. 100mph with stock power.

    Tuff 21 hull weight = 950lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam
    Progression 22 hull weight =<S>1225</S> lbs …..948lbs – 22’1” Long, 7’8” Beam
    Bernico F2 21 hull weight = 705lbs– 21’3” Long, 6’3” Beam
    Nordic Crossfire 21 hull weight= N/A– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam
    Sutphen 21 SS hull weight = N/A –20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam
    great big water boat.

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    I have a strange feeling tux is keeping something from us,not nice Tony show us what you did or are doing,did you go to Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    My money would be on the Bernico F2 Extreme .............lightest, with ballast tank if/when needed, and narrow beam. 100mph with stock power.
    Put a flats style non-skid deck on it with a few LIGHT hatches ......................

    I think Im in love
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    http://www.cycloneboatco.com/cyclone_boat_company.asp


    This could be in the running ...You need to find out if you want speed in ruff or speed in so so ruff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schiadart View Post
    Bernico was built for big water...The one I have that won the world Champinship 2003 has a v pad
    Post up a close up picture of the pad when you get a chance ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    Post up a close up picture of the pad when you get a chance ............
    All my photos are too big and it takes way too much time sorry.

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    The Nordic 21 Crossfire has the same bottom as the Cyclone if I am not mistaken and Nordic is located right in Arizona so easy shipping

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