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05-28-2009, 06:25 PM #76
Moller knows
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05-28-2009, 10:13 PM #77
drivel
A little known insignificant fact, that Sam knows, is OMC was the only American company to produce a rotary..at that time, and maybe till now..
A GREAT thread..keep it going..
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05-29-2009, 07:27 AM #7820 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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06-01-2009, 12:45 AM #796000 RPM
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Edgar Rose
Edgar did indeed come from Curtis Wright and may have had
some involvement in hiring Harry Ward & Mike Griffith (both
CW rotary people); that was before my time at OMC. While I
was there, Edgar had virtually nothing to do with the Rotary
program. I worked for Edgar as part of my initial training prograam We were trying to develop a viscosity independent carb. so we could recycle heavy ends instead of dumping them overboard. He was Charlie Strange's buddy and as I remember was involved in APBA. There have been other rotaries produced in the USA. There are huge oil field engines still
running today; 1000 HP types. I think CW made them, but may
be mistaken.
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06-02-2009, 06:01 PM #805000 RPM
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I worked with a fellow for many years who had worked for OMC back then, his name was Don Werder- he has since passed away i guess 10 years ago or so. He showed me many photos of the rotary motors, and made mention he had worked the outboard ,snow mobile division and i thought he said the rotarys also.
But anyway, i heard someone- i won't mention his name- has 2 of these rotary motors in his collection. I would be great if he'se following this post and might be willing to share his story on where and how he was able to have such a motor.
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06-02-2009, 06:24 PM #81
Are they complete
OMC/BRP HERITAGE: http://community.webshots.com/user/LIQUIDNIRVANA
OMC/BRP BROCHURES: http://community.webshots.com/user/LIQUIDNIRVANA2
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06-02-2009, 06:33 PM #825000 RPM
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06-02-2009, 11:40 PM #836000 RPM
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06-03-2009, 05:19 PM #845000 RPM
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John.
I think we would all love to hear his story and i would think he is following this post, since i've seen his name on Screamandfly. Some people like to fly low and stay under the radar, i personally like people to see what i have collected over the years.
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06-03-2009, 06:01 PM #85
but please
be respectful and contact him personally/privately. He is a great guy and if he wants to keep his stuff private, then that should be respected.
JT
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06-03-2009, 07:32 PM #865000 RPM
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06-11-2009, 02:46 PM #87
Amazing history of the Rotary. But the follow-on has me laughing so hard I have tears running down my cheeks and I pissed my pants. Jackie - I love your new title "Ol Cranky". Can't wait for OFF. - Steve Sirois
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06-11-2009, 03:41 PM #88
Thanks for the story Ken!
Great stuff.
So we all know and appreciate what Ken has done.....he is a OMC historian and fan only. He's a working stiff struggling to pay bills and survive.
Not a retired guy with time and $$$, just a love for the history and with enough dedication (and time) to continue to search, dig and protect it.
He forwarded me a preliminary version of the story and I expected some ........"discussions" to take place
As John and others have said, "after 35+ yrs"..............
Great read and history regardless
As to successes with rotaries I would point to Mazda. I was a huge IMSA sports car race fan back in the late '80's and Mazda won and set almost every race/record they entered.
I want to say it was in the GTU class with the "U" meaning under 3.0 liters.
As I recall, they experimented in other classes as well but they OWNED GTU for many yrs winning all the sprint races and the endurance races including Leman, Daytona 24, and 12 hrs of Sebring among others for many yrs in a row.
One thing I do remember is they were one of the first and only teams to run a muffler back then as the painful shriek from the open exhaust would melt the wax out of your ears
GaryI'd rather be competitive w/junk I built in my garage than win w/stuff I bought.
I refuse to allow common sense to interfere w/my boat buying decisions.
Checkmate 16' 140 Johnson
Hydrostream 17' Vector FrankenRude I
Laser 480 (?) 21' w/GT 200
Glastron Carlson Conquest w/XP 2.6
Glastron Carlson CVX 20 w/XP 2.6
24' Sonic w/twin 250 Johnsons
24' Sonic w/twin 250 HO Johnsons
19' STV River Rocket w/FrankenRude II
Allison XR 2002 w/Frankenrude II
Hydrostream 18' V-King w/Frankenrude II
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Hey Steve, I love the story of OMC's Rotary efforts and would not belittle their efforts in any shape or form----It's just that the tales i hear and the memories some of the OMC guys have do not tie up with the facts as we know them.
Now ,if you had the U.S. Government begging you to build all the rotaries you could build. [ That's an open checkbook if ever you saw one] one would think that a company that was in deep Poo-Poo financially would have grabbed that lifeline. Hells teeth, the government were going to sue OMC if they DIDN"T build the things. That does not have a ring of reality in it somehow.!!!!???
I think someone is having a laugh, or trying to pull my plonker.!!!!
AS for the wonderful Mazda Rotary, log into RX8 RECALL---RX LAWSUIT---- RX ENGINE FAILURE.
The Renesis is claimed to be the current leader in the field of Rotaries, ASK any MAZDA dealer and he will tell you that it's a customer relations nightmare. Joe Pub. loves all normally aspirated Mazda's but not the RX8.
One last little dig-------why do most RX owners put a Detroit V8 in place of the rotary.?? ANS. "cos they like the car to run".
Still waiting to hear about the ONE Rotary that is alive and well and making money, ANY TAKERS ???
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06-12-2009, 06:49 AM #906000 RPM
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rotary
Jackie: If you recall this was 1973 and OMC was having record profits. One of Ken's posts shows OMC's financials at the time. Nobody said anyone threatened a lawsuit. What actually happened, was they threatened to have Robert McNamara (sec of defense at the time) personally call. He never did. Look at Ingersol Rand's 1000 HP oil field rotary. They have been running for 10 of 10000's of hrs.
John