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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Smith View Post
    Us as voters have ability to vote these idiots out , all that complain about how things are going I wonder did YOU VOTE ?
    ...bingo...

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    [QUOTE=22R;3312129]Hey Mr Cuda,

    i just bought a Echo 2 Stroke arborist saw a 455T top handle. Starts easy and screams. I may just leave it idling when not in use.
    No extension cords or pesky chargers needed. Great smell to boot

    22R


    By the way you just bought a 355T not 455t the next size up is the 590 then comes the 680


    I buy about 10 355t per year, 2 590s and one or so 680s all great saws, I quit using Stihl years ago they have gone down hill always replacing carbs, never have replaced one on the Echo's best bang for the buck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Smith View Post
    Us as voters have ability to vote these idiots out , all that complain about how things are going I wonder did YOU VOTE ?
    I did even more .. I volunteered my time !

    With mass migration of Ninja-19 positive illegal's "deported" to American states. Fauchi will recommend "no in person voting".
    No voter ID laws being slithered into place. Mass mail in balloting and no background checks for citizenship ... I'm afraid "voting idiot's out" is a thing of the past.

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    If you happen to be in the land of "fruits and nuts" and cant figure out if your child is a boy or a girl ... worry not , they are providing a gender neutral isle , just for you ..

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...in-toy-stores/

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    ...burn something else besides gasoline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by keith scotton
    Just Because You Can Does Not Mean You Should.


    Amen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbNgt8jh9io

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    Quote Originally Posted by David - WI View Post
    And there's pollution from battery manufacturing & disposal.
    And a 3 - 4 year old Tesla, the battery is toast. With a bad battery they are worth around 20K.... but a new battery is about the same.

    They already have rolling blackouts. Had to supplement with petrol powered generators.

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    my brothers will be 5 in Dec It's like new they have been getting 300,000 to 500,000 miles out of them


    300,000-500,000 miles




    Tesla car batteries are designed to last 300,000-500,000 miles and the rumor is that Tesla is working on developing a battery that can last a million miles. However, currently-available batteries are not yet capable of lasting a million miles and might need a battery replacement during the lifetime of the car.Sep 24,




    a taxi service in California that maintains a fleet of Teslas and really packs on the mileage, has reported that a Model X in their fleet has only lost around 10% of capacity over 300,000 miles. 90% capacity is well within Tesla’s battery warranty terms for degradation (fun fact: while 300,000 miles would put a newer Model X outside its battery warranty, Tesloop’s ‘Rex’ is grandfathered into the unlimited mileage warranty clause…if Tesla hasn’t revoked it after changing their warranty to exclude vehicles purchased for commercial use).We’ll go into a more in-depth discussion in a minute, but a basic Tesla Battery life estimate for each model can been seen in the following charts:
    Model S & X Data
    Average Degradation Rate Per 100,000 Miles 4%
    Miles Before 20% Degradation 500,000
    Years Before 20% Degradation 15+
    Charging Cycles 1,000
    Model 3 & Y Data
    Average Degradation Rate Per 100,000 Miles 5%
    Miles Before 20% Degradation 400,000
    Years Before 20% Degradation 10-15
    Charging Cycles 1,500
    These numbers are just a broad estimate based on data that we’ve been reviewing. Obviously, battery capacity retention for Teslas will have more factors involved that affect this number, such as driving temperatures, owner habits, fast charging frequency, etc. But for an overall look at how Tesla batteries either have been performing or are expected to perform, let’s take a look at some of Tesla’s battery capacity retention rates by model:
    How Long Does a Tesla Model S Battery Last?

    Over the years, the Model S has shown a battery degradation of less than 20% over 300,000 miles from Tesla owner reports on Plug-In America. If these numbers continued at a constant rate, a Tesla could reach 450,000 miles before reaching the 30% degradation that Tesla deems unacceptable under its Battery and Drive Unit Warranty (450,000 miles is 3x the warranty period for mileage; for more details, see the warranty section below).
    Even more encouraging, Elon stated at one point that lab tests gave 80% battery retention at 500,000 miles, or about 4% degradation per 100,000 miles. If the average driver only travels about 13,500 miles per year, it would take almost 7.5 years to make up that mileage with less than 5% battery degradation, or 15 years with less than 10% battery degradation.
    Ideal circumstances are necessary, of course, but an acceptably functional battery on a Model S is theoretically possible past 20 years. What about dropping to 50% capacity? For a 2015 Model S P85D, that’d be roughly 126 miles per charge, still a usable daily range. At only 4% degradation per 100,000 miles, could a Tesla battery actually last over a million miles with half its charge still accessible? We’d like to think so, but only time will tell.
    This calculation doesn’t take into account the yearly degradation rate and quite a few other factors (environment, owner habits, software updates affecting range, etc), but it does boil down to the idea that a Tesla Model S battery can last a really, really long time. Unless there’s actual damage or a defective battery assembly (like the one Tesloop received for their 2015 Model S, which Tesla replaced), most of them continue to serve their owners well past the 8-year warranty period. So, with all of that considered, a Tesla Model S battery lasts about 450,000 miles or longer.
    How Long Does a Tesla Model X Battery Last?

    Data from the Model X is not as extensive as the Model S, but as the battery pack is virtually the same, it’s safe to assume similar numbers. We already mentioned Tesloop’s 2015 Model X with 300,000 miles and battery capacity degradation of about 10%; their experience fits in with the general Model X stats provided by Tesla owners on websites like Plug in America or Tesla Motors Club.
    Tesla’s own data seems to show a 10-15% degradation rate over 200,000 miles for the Model X. Again, with the assumption that the average driver only travels 13,500 miles a year, that’s 10-15% degradation over an almost 15 year period (ideal). Like the Model S, most Model X battery packs are expected to last even longer than that while maintaining a usable charge (possibly 20+ years). Taking all of this information into account, a Tesla Model X battery appears to last 450,000 miles or more.How Long Does a Tesla Model 3 Battery Last?
    As one of Tesla’s newer, less expensive vehicle designs containing a different battery cell profile than the Model S and Model X, the Model 3’s battery pack deserves extra scrutiny over the coming years for longevity. Elon has stated that the Model 3’s battery was designed to last 300,000 to 500,000 miles (or 1,500 charging cycles). Again, if we estimate that the average driver only travels 13,500 miles in a year, that’s between 20-40 years (an overestimate, certainly, but not impossible).
    In the few years of data we’ve seen so far, the Model 3’s battery degradation rate seems to hover at around 5% per 100,000 miles. That puts the Model 3’s battery life well on track with Telsa’s estimation of 300,000 to 500,000 miles of use, and probably anywhere from 10 to 20 years of reasonable use depending on how the vehicle is driven and how much battery degradation the current owner is willing to put up with. So, all-in-all, a Tesla Model 3 battery lasts 300,000 to 500,000 miles.
    How Long Does a Tesla Model Y Battery Last?

    With only a few years of data, can we tell how long a Tesla Model Y battery may last? Since the Model Y shares close to 75% of its parts with the Model 3 and the same battery cell profile, we can probably assume similar numbers for battery degradation. With those numbers in mind, the Model Y could see the same average 5% loss of battery capacity per 100,000 miles.
    So how many years could a Tesla Model Y battery last on average? With our same average driving distance per year calculation of 13,500 miles, the Model Y battery life should be between 10 to 20 years with an acceptable amount of degradation (or 300,000 to 500,000 miles depending on the vehicle variant). So, all things considered, a Tesla Model Y battery lasts 300,000 to 500,000 miles.
    How Long is Tesla’s Battery Warranty?

    Currently, Tesla’s Battery Warranty lasts for 8 years and varies in mileage between models. While we’ve covered this topic extensively in the Battery and Drive Unit section of our Ultimate Warranty Guide, the lite version is that Tesla covers battery failure and degradation due to manufacturing defects and will cover parts and labor costs to replace a battery that falls below 70% capacity before the warranty period is up. Under normal circumstances, the battery shouldn’t degrade more than 30% during the warranty period.
    Before 2020, Tesla made even bigger claims about their battery life. The pre-2020 battery warranty lasted for 8 years and unlimited miles. Musk called this the “Infinite Mile Warranty,” claiming that the warranty should match Tesla’s belief in the reliability of their vehicles. They’ve since gone back to the mile-limited battery warranty structure. (For more information on Tesla warranties, check out our Ultimate Guide to Tesla Warranties here).
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    New Tesla Battery Recycling Process Reportedly Produces No Waste

    Tesla’s new process that claims it can save up to 92 percent of the elements that make up a battery pack.

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    [COLOR=var(--post-date-color)]Aug 11, 2021 at 9:00am ET[/COLOR]
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    [COLOR=var(--main-text-color-special)]By: Andrei Nedelea[/COLOR]




    One of the biggest problems that we may face in the not too distant future is having to safely dispose of depleted electric vehicle battery packs. But the doomsday scenario that many are getting alarmed over may never actually unfold if recycling is as efficient as Tesla’s new process that is claimed to save up to 92 percent of the elements that make up a battery pack.
    The recycling solution has been in the works for at least two years, or at least mid-April 2019 was the first time we heard them mention it publicly; it may very well have been (and probably had been) in the works for longer. Back then, Tesla called it a unique battery recycling solution that would yield significant savings in the long term, but it didn't say any more.
    The manufacturer recently pointed out that 100 percent of the batteries it scraps are recycled and nothing ends up in a landfill. It has been setting up internal structures within the company to gather and recycle old battery packs for years and it believes that the companies that made the packs should also recycle them, arguing this is more efficient than having third parties do it.
    Tesla points out that through the use of this new process, it managed to recycle 1,300 of nickel, 400 tons of copper and 80 tons of cobalt last year alone. This means the manufacturer now essentially produces some of the materials it needs, thus reducing the need to mine.
    The automaker explains that
    While Tesla has worked for years with third-party battery recyclers to ensure our batteries do not end up in a landfill, we understand the importance of also building recycling capacity in-house to supplement these relationships. Onsite recycling brings us one step closer to closing the loop on materials generation, allowing for raw material transfer straight to our nickel and cobalt suppliers. The facility knocks the cycle of innovation for battery recycling at scale, allowing Tesla to rapidly improve current designs through operational learnings and to perform process testing of R&D products.
    It’s worth noting that even though there are aging Teslas on the road that are now nearly a decade old, the company doesn’t actually recycle the batteries from too many consumer cars yet. Sure, some older packs are swapped out by Tesla and then recycled, but the vast majority of what it currently recycles comes from its own research and testing programs.
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    Are Tesla Model 3 And Model Y EVs With Recycled Battery Packs Coming?

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    I believe they want to ban the small engine world from the public. apparently commercial use is still OK. Seems like there are more commercial contractors using these engines than homeowners.
    If I don't ask any questions, I'll never learn anything.

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    The village***** quips :

    You don't know chit


    Leaves one of these hanging in mid air --->
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    Then posts a 10,000 word diatribe straight out of communist China ...

    In the general boating section ... Psssttt , little jimmie .. what about google

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    Lets go Brandon. RR

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    Quote Originally Posted by keith scotton View Post
    I was told Outboard motors created .03 percent of pollution in he world. How much pollution does one ROCKET IN TO SPACE cause. Millions of pounds of fuel burn in minutes not days. People with money can do what ever they want. Just Because You Can Does Not Mean You Should.
    and jet aircraft are ignored, so you can all fly your private jets to the green meetings...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUDA View Post
    New Tesla Battery Recycling Process Reportedly Produces No Waste

    Tesla’s new process that claims it can save up to 92 percent of the elements that make up a battery pack.
    Sounds good but how does tesla get involved in a battery in an out of warranty car?
    If you look at a large company like Redwood Materials they dont have a sustainable financial model, if you give them a battery and they recover the materials they still cant compete with mining new materials.
    IMHO this recycle is only going to work if there is legislation forcing the manufactures to buy the batteries back or the raw material costs go up by a huge factor and hence your car...

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    Mr. Cuda,
    why do you always refer to my brother, my sister, my cousin, my fortuneteller?
    And then we have the copy paste issue.

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