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Interesting that Mercury released a new V6 475 pound four-stroke 3.4L engine line up. With horsepower of 175, 200 and 225. Lighter than the 3L two stroke and the 4-cylinder Verado. I do not see a version with a Sportmaster as it seems to be for the fishing/pontoon boat crowd. Maybe with time Mercury Racing might get in the mix with a Sportmaster lower unit and maybe a little more power. Another home run for Mercury. I am sure the haters will jump on this.
NEW MERCURY V6 FOUR-STROKE OUTBOARD MOTORS INTRODUCED
The big news from the Miami International Boat Show is the introduction of 175 horsepower, 200 horsepower, and 225 horsepower versions of a new V6 Mercury Four Stroke outboard engine, complementing its line of Mercury Verado outboard engines. While the supercharged Verado line has grown ever larger, with versions now hitting the 350 horsepower mark and even 400 horses in a Mercury Racing version, the Four Stroke line has moved in to cover lower power ranges including 75 to 150 hp. Pro Four Stroke models in the 200 to 300 horsepower range are, like the Verado, supercharged. But this new 3.4L platform features a naturally-aspirated powerhead.
The 200 horsepower dual overhead cam four-valve design weighs in at a surprisingly svelte 475 pounds, (for a point of comparison the next lightest 200 hp powerplant is the 2.8L in-line-4 Yamaha F200, at 487 pounds,) and Mercury claims best-in-class acceleration, 20-percent more torque, and five to 15-percent fuel economy advantages at cruise over the nearest competitors. While we haven’t yet had the opportunity to put these claims to the test on the water, if true they certainly are eye-opening.
To date in all the recent outboard testing we’ve done the fuel economy winner had been the Evinrude G2 line, which tends to turn in efficiency figures 10 to 15 percent better than most similarly sized four-strokes. However, we note Mercury’s specific use of the term “cruise” when applied to fuel economy; reasonable arguments can be made that cruising rpm could be anywhere from 3000 to 4500 rpm, and obviously, different engines will offer peak economy at different points through that range. We’ll be looking forward to running some on-the-water comparisons and will report back, once we’ve been able to gather figures for the different outboards on equal platforms. These new Mercs also offer a wide range of options including mechanical or digital controls, hydraulic or power steering, and multiple colors and accent panels. They feature a port on top for easy oil checks without having to remove the cowl, which is an excellent idea and should encourage regular checks by users. An idle charge battery management system keeps you from sucking out all the juice out of the batteries while idling with major electronics up and running (net charging output 20 amps at 650 rpm), and “Advanced Speed Control” maintains RPM through varying loads and conditions.
Mercury is putting the MSRP at $17,425, although this will obviously vary with differing options. Still, this is an attractive starting point and will make the new 3.4L V6 an interesting option for a wide range of fishing boat owners.
, I'm pretty sure they already had a 175 HP / V-6 / four stroke.
They weigh them with no / oil in the crankcase / no oil in the lower unit / no cowl in place / no adapter harness installed. So it may be a bit pre-mature to say they are lighter than a 3.0L two-stroke ... in real life.
However, I have no doubt the nut-swangers will jump all over this .. :D
Chaz = wunderin, how many from this site have put their orders in ..
Order now and get it when hell freezes over, just like the new bronco's.... All the big co's are a mess.
Merc makes an inline 4 cyl and inline 6 four strokes in that category. Now they make a V6. Lightest in its class. By the way the two strokes racing engines are also weighed w/o oil including the tank of oil in the boat you need and the trim pump. But go ahead and get personal ie: calling me Bradley. I go by the name Brad. I knew this post would get the nay-sayers going. LOL. The technology is just getting better and better. All good for the sport we love.
Its a great mid sized platform. They managed to get a 3.4L 4 stroke to weigh less than the 3.4L 2 strokes (Etec G1's) I've been running the past 10 years. Kudos to Mercury. Let's hope they get them supply chain issues under control so we can get more of them on the water.
Jr.
I think it's great they are making a lighter wt v-6. It's a step in the right direction. Getting one on the other hand?
If they make them available with a sporty and good warranty I'm sure they will sell. Especially if they can be "tuned" like the SHO Yamaha offering if your not worried about warranty.
2018 they released a 3.4 v6
https://youtu.be/jERgxYDvvfk
Interesting. So, they have been out for a while. The first I heard of them was as a new release at the Miami Boat show last week.
I hate these new newfangleed 4 stroke motors.......Where did I put my Mark 20..... I will show Em'..... if some one will pull start it fo Me..... my bones are not up to it.....:cheers:.........:rolleyes:....Hater:p
Yeah, I think that's an old article you found.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Zastrow
However, been saying it for a little while... The mids (CMS Style) are identical between the 3.4 and 4.6 V8's, therefore a sporty from a 300R will bolt right up to the V6. I think JPEROG was doing one on his son's STV.
I still prefer the ease and sound of my old 2 stroke but since they are not making them anymore, I am glad that the newer motors are finally getting to a weight that may work on our 20 foot Ally's so we may have an option if we chose to go that route. I hope they sell alot to the repower market when things get back to normal.
22R
Kinda like Vladamer Pooten is running Mercury
What we do know is that there is a "small light" at the end of the tunnel. The 200 APX which is based on the 3.4 V6 has been running stronger times then the Gen II ROS 200XS. That means the 3.4 is making about 245 hp because that is what the Gen II 200XS 2.5 made on the dyno.
If Mercury can/would take that and bolt on a Sporty and offer maybe two or three years of warranty it would certainly be interesting as a 225 R motor.
I would think that a true scale weight with cowl and all the rest should be slightly below 500lbs, maybe even 460 pounds if they offered a lightweight cowl. The cowl on the 300R weighs 33 pounds and the V8 motor in 3 ram Sporty config weighs a total of 561 lbs with cowl and oil.
I think it boils down to "it's all we got" to look forward to :confused:
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Welp .. Eyeee tried ta tell em .. twernt nuttin new .. :D
Shouldn't had showed the swingers proof. We could-a gotz @ leest 10 more pages .. filled wiff a plethora .. ove more mis-information .. :rolleyes: :p :smiletest:
Ifin I nik-name you .. what it sayz on your birff certificate .. consider it a gift .. ;)
Chaz = wunderin, Ifin you guys hate the rotund "porkchop lower" .. more than my charm ~n~ wit ... why in the world would ya'll ever think about putting one on a, poor, defenseless, 3.4L , sow .. ??? :cool:
Axin , for my friend ... Bradly :leaving: :D
My guess is that the answer lies in whether the Mercury swag truck is showing up at Jasper (or wherever it is now). It was there one year that I went, then a couple years later... Poof, gone. The reason (IMHO) is that there isn't a market for what you describe anymore. If the sporty case lines up with the stock case, guys will probably have to do it like the old days with the fishing motors, and make it work for their application. Where there's a will...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
I hope so, with a sporty and at least 7k rpm Soft limiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
99% of these guys saying "Mercury should make blah blah blah...." have enough money in the bank to pay rent and buy gas to get to work. The guys with money to buy the new stuff (for the most part) are buying it and running the piss out of it.
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Originally Posted by John S
Yeah I tend to agree. I'm a die-hard J/E and 2-stroke guy but this new Merc platform seems to be levelling the playing field. The ETEC G1 design is now well over 10 years old...Merc has made good headway....have to give them credit (how did it come to this lol). I hope it drives competition with Yamaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed Jr.
Matt
Matt
I have noticed that when you are backed in a corner you come out with insults. You are a classy guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaz
Backed into a corner .. yea ya got me. I never should have posted a four year old press release .. thinkin I was gonna tease the two-stroke loyalists with news from the 2022 Miami Boat Show .. :o
Ohhh .. wait , that twernt me .. it was YOU WHO DID THAT .. ;)
I did however say .. they make a 3.4 V-6 .
Then I got the .. 4 cyl inline. 6cyl. inline lecture. :rolleyes:
Is not repeating myself .. or giving you a shovel to dig a deeper hole .. insulting ???
No, I think it's not .. If I said : You &^$*(*(% $^&*(*(&* *%#@#%^&** can't you read the date on the press release .. then that can be seen as a bit disrespectful or insulting . :eek:
:nonod: .. But I didn't do any of the three .. :nonod:
Instead I asked a question about lower units .. :)
Crickets on the lower .. a quick role reversal .. and now my character is brought into question .. :rolleyes:
Sounds like some "B~woke" ... :icon_bs:to me .. :D
I posted the 4 year old press release :leaving:
Yes you did .. in it's entirety. Right after he posted "his version" of a 4 year old press release .. straight from the 2022 boat show .. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
https://i.imgur.com/M9l8ZOnl.jpg
You really have to laugh at what it has taken to make a 4 stroke do what the the most simplistic 2L two stroke could do 25years ago...
I think they call that ... progress. :eek:
Progress driven by anything government usually means the opposite kinda like the last few yrs..lol
That ACME rocket is a marvel of engineering. 200 HP from 200 CI .. Ohh wait, didn't Smokey do that in the early 1950's with an all cast iron engine, nail head valves, flat tappet cam, mechanical advance, twin-one bbl carbs, .. yup, that 2022 "racing engine" is something for Wile E Coyote to be proud of .. :rolleyes:
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Yeah same thing;)
Sorry it appears I posted old information. I confess that pleasure engines like the 3.4 are not on my radar. So, when I saw the (new to me) press release for the lightweight V6 4 stroke I was impressed. Seeing that many people have posted why is Mercury Racing not supporting smaller boats with light 4-strokes this seemed like something Mercury Racing should use and wanted to share on Scream. Bump up the power a little, add a Sportmaster and problem solved. Maybe the market is just not there for Mercury Racing to develop that engine package.
Those old 354 CI Chizzlers were the first production engines to make 1 HP/CI. A year (few months) later the 283 CI Chevrolet did the same thing.
You have to get into the early 60's (pre-HP war era) to find something that made 1.2 HP / CI .. like the ACME 360 ... race engine :rolleyes:
Brad .. it's nice to see you no longer pointing a finger at others for something you did. Shame really .. i was looking forward to the next ten pages of wokeness .. :smiletest:
Since no of the "fore-poke" experts can tell me why they would put the new "4.6L clubfoot" on a 3.4L .. I'll just say, sumptin better has already been done. Just please don't tell anyone .. I have a reputation to uphold .. :p
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Well I’m not a hater but the facts don’t lie seems the old Rude was the cleanest running powerhouse still to date !! I just don’t grasp this one numbers game about the 600 Hp Mercury its 70k so it and none of the 4strokes will last I’ve seen opties with 3200 hrs and no corrosion from salt water ,the Yamahas exhaust adaptors junk after 6 years same for Varados….. now back to the 70k 600 Hp with internal exhaust manifold I’d rather have 300 opti or Rudes hopped up by Dave Bush or Joe just seems inovation won’t out last on simple tech esp in salt water power to wt bring back a V8 Evinrude with a 4 inch bore and digital direct injection It’s all Fairy Dust now … seems it’s just going backwards nobody rembers Homlite outboards same poop new package and wrapper !!!! Just make a dam good 2 stk monster and use XD 100 Don’t think Mercury doesn’t have everything Evinrude was Doing in Formula 1 cuz they bought the Facility that was Testing it so they can use there Merc single ram mid sporty 2 speed case Or 7marine lower rude injection plasma spark .. it’s all lost Fary Dust now
Yes, it was bolted up this week, remove the spacer plate and remove the long studs and replace them with the short studs from mercury. It bolts right up.
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Originally Posted by Ziemer
So that tells me that Merc may just be saying, why take up production cycles for "one engine at a time" buyers of a V6 3.4 Sporty with warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmatak9
With a v-8 lower on a v-6 it should be bullet proof even if it's a few mph slower.
Do 300r cms wingplates work on the 3.4 v6 motors for those of us with smaller twin engine cats?
Good question. Maybe another skunk works discovery project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake rat Skater
You guys got my point about the lower unit bass~ackwards . Use an 8 3/4" Chizzler rear end .. same as the porkchop lower. :eek:
Greg G , honestly , as easy as it to do .. you could have done a few thousand of them yourself .. as long as you been beggin .. :rolleyes:
Wingplates .. whut , you guys ain't gotz a bandsaw .. :confused:
I found it on Merc's website. IF my 200EFI ever blows up on my XTB 21... That might make for a cool replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Zastrow
Looking at the specs.. Damn..... 85 amp charge a full throttle... :eek:
The offshore motor is only 200hp but is a bit heavier.. I wonder what the difference is?
https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/engines/outboard/
Anyway, it is what it is. At least Merc has taken the lead.
I would think so. The CMS mids are all identical. At least that's how it appears on the Mercury parts diagrams. Same with 20"/25"/30"...all the same mid with 5" or 10" spacer. Shift shaft changes, water pump adapter tube, and different drive shaft. Easy swap. The bigger V8's don't have the option for the smaller diameter gearcase 4.8", whereas the V6 does. Huge difference in size between the 5.44 case and the 4.8 case. Also much bigger than a Gen 2 torquemaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake rat Skater