This looks ripe for the 400R...
http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats...-new-24-footer
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This looks ripe for the 400R...
http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats...-new-24-footer
Tuesday, 20 September 2016
Written by Eric Colby
Tuff Marine president Mark Weigl is so early in the process of designing his company’s next boat that he’s not even sure about the overall length, but that didn’t stop two customers from buying the first pair. “There’s already two pre-sold and I haven’t even shown anyone a picture of it,” said Weigl. The buyers who have committed to buying the first two are both owners of Tuff 21s and they wanted bigger boats. The company builds a 28-footer, but it’s too big for many of the boathouses on Canada’s Lake Muskoka, where many Tuff boat owners live and boat, so Weigl decided on a new boat in the 24-foot range. Without a finished model to show Weigl reportedly has two orders already for his upcoming Tuff Marine 24-foot single-engine V-bottom.
Weigl explained that customers have put some big power on the company’s 21-foot model and that, like any boat in this size range, that boat can run triple digit speeds, but only in the right conditions. With a beam in the 7-foot range, the new model will actually be narrower than the Tuff 21. “I’m convinced that I can match the speeds of the 21 (with the new 24), but with everything being easier, longer boat, smoother ride and more cockpit space,” he said.
The first Tuff 24 will be powered by an Evinrude E-TEC G2 250 two-stroke outboard engine while the second one will have an Ilmor Marine 570 with an IMCO drive with an SCX upper and an SC lower. The base price for the outboard version minus power is slightly less than $47,000 while the sterndrive configuration without an engine and drive comes in right under $50,000. Like all Tuff models, the 24-foot offering will run on a V-bottom with a pad. There are two full-length strakes on each side and Weigl said the pad has a multi-stage design. The primary surface is 8 to 10 inches wide. Moving out a couple of inches on each side, it steps down slightly and there’s a second step down to an outer pad. Weigl said the boat will start climbing up on the outer sections of the pad at about 70 mph, and then the design will continue to try to pick up the boat. “The only way to make a boat go faster is to get it up out of the water,” he said. “I’m trying to use aerodynamics and above under the boat to get that lift.”
Weigl said he’s taking the same basic approach as designers of other pad bottom boats. “Tuff Marine is taking care of the details and spending double the time on the details, going for the last five miles per hour” he said. The Tuff 24 will be built with balsa core in the bottom and foam in the hull sides and deck. The transom is cored in Baltek birch. The buyers of the first two boats have asked for carbon fiber in the laminate as well. One thing Weigl won’t do is offer a bowrider or cuddy cabin versions of his boats. “If you start putting stuff that far forward, it negates what a pad-bottom boat is all about,” he said.
Like the Tuff 21’ and 28’ models, the 24 will have two bucket seats and an aft bench. “I used to say, if you need your wife’s permission or you want something practical, it’s not for you,’” said Weigl. “It’s a hot rod.”
I wonder if that is US dollars or Canadian. Also, how much trouble is it to import one to the US? Awesome boat for sure and I have no doubt it will haul the mail.
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Originally Posted by capteliminator
Zero trouble from Canada to USA. i dont think you guys even have to pay Duty. Im sure its in US dollars like everything up hear is. i bought my GS in South Carolina and that was a breeze also. Just an extra 6% but pretty sure thats only USA to Canada not Can to USA. Target market is always the States for boats made up hear as the entire population of our country is not much more than Florida state. HaHa Makes for uncontested water ways at least. :thumbsup:
This should be another great boat!.....:thumbsup:
Im really looking forward to it also. I was mentioning last week on the Allison site that Darris should get his 23fter out to market also as I heard about this one a few weeks ago. Perfection takes time. They should be a head to head competitor to the Allison 23fter. Not many boats in this size range for a single anymore but to me its the perfect size since the invention of the wake board boat!!:reddevil:
The 23ft Allison is now running 97 with a 200hp motor reportedly. i know Tuff make a pretty efficient hull also so it will be interesting to see how deep he can come in the 90,s with a 200 or 250? There will be no loss of speed for the 24 over 21ft tuff apparently with the same power. Sorta makes sense given more displacement to hang a 505 lb motor off the back. That tells me the 21 doesnt like the 300xs as much as a little larger hull does. Most of the 20-21 fters are designed around the 2.5. Making a hull now knowing what the weights are of the future of mass produced engines it makes sense to find the displacement that will best accommodate those power plants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
Wow 47k for a base 24' boat. That will easily reach 75k once rigged
The buyers who have committed to buying the first two are both owners of Tuff 21s and they wanted bigger boats.
Maybe there will be some more used 21s for sale ;)
Never have I doubted the design skills of Mr. Allison, but 97 with a 200 is a bit of a stretch for me. How many grandsports will do 97 with a 200. A few, but a boat that is 3 feet longer? Not saying that it couldn't happen. If it's running 97 with a 200, what would it be running with a DBR 300x?Quote:
Originally Posted by whipper
The 21 Tuff and all hulls like them are big boats aerodynamically. Mark thinks ( and he has a pretty damn good track record of being right) that this 24 will run with the 21 power for power.
I doubt the Allison will ever make it to market, at least no time soon.
The really fast ones will be IO.... 24' with 1000+ HP.......
Hey Rob, is the intent of this boat to just be for top end, or will it also be able to eat some rough water?Quote:
Originally Posted by RBT
People seem to have the impression that tuffs are calm water boats. I think this is due to the low freeboard. Keep them trimmed down and let them eats
Glad to hear it, I was hoping that would be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by RBT
Needless to say, for a manufacture to actually have an all new SOB design is fantastic news!!!
7 ft beam should cut through some slop rather nicely. :thumbsup:
This 24 is going to eat rough water with that bow dead rise angle. It reminds me of an American built boat that was a little shy of 24 feet but had a V and a beam closer to 6'. Name escapes me at the moment. If Tuff can get this new 24 to do 90mph on demand with a single they are going to be sending a lot of them to the UAE for play boats. Great all around size for a sit down. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
I hear you thats part of the reason its not out yet also. His newest creation is so fast with little power that most are going to want to put a 300xs on her and he doesnt know how he feels about that. He seems to worry alot about liability these days. Theres still testing being done but she is very very close to what he wants. She also has a no chine walk hull some how? Another liability thing as almost anyone can hope in and go fast. Who knows if or went that hull will ever make it to market. He told me it will but only when shes thoroughly tested. Im personally over it now anyway thats why im so exited about the 24fter from Tuff. The 24 with a CRT motor sounds like a sick combo to me. Even a 300xs but if your going next generation SOB might as well go next generation power. :cheers: I cant wait to see the finished hull! They are so sick and slick looking in both forms OB and IB. its kinda a new era again that were were being treated to a few great new hulls. i love the new talon layup also. LCB and a even a few other Manufactures in this 20-24ft range are making sweet hulls these days. I wish i lived were I could take a few out for a spin to appreciate them even more. :reddevil: I think Marks timing is perfect for this type of hull.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCSmile
:iagree:....Just like the 24' Superboat! It cuts through the water very well...:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
This new Tuff should be a great addition to the SOB's!
Do you ever read your posts? It's hilarious. If he's worried about liabilities... He would have recalled Grandsports years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by whipper
A boat too fast for the general public??? LOL
I'm literally LOL'ing right now.
COME ON!!!!!! :)
EVERYTHING ALWAYS COMES BACK TO ALLISON WITH YOU!!!!!!! We could make it a drinking game... every time you mention it... good grief!
The guy is proud of the brand of boat he owns, I guess that's a crime? (To be noted, it's a pretty tough conversation to discuss boat innovation and not bring up the Allison name at some point, they've been doing it for 60+ years.) Allison is known for liability concerns btw (look at the recommended horsepower ratings, weight ratings, etc.). Anyway, back on topic, this new Tuff is going to be Sweeet! You could put some serious power in an IO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchie
Everyone now is talking about big power in tone 24, remember the 28 goes 120 with just 725 hp. I would expect the 24 will be in the teens with a itty bitty 570 illmor.
Like I said. Was under the impression that mark think he can make it as fast as the 21 power for power.
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Originally Posted by tux974
Funny, that was the exact hull(24 SB) I thought of when I read the original post. :cheers:
Don't get your jimmies rustled over a little ribbing bud! Everyone knows that Reggie taught Allison everything they know... Pffft.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCSmile
And "crime". I did call the dream police when I read 24 ft boat with a 200 running 97....
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Originally Posted by RBT
I'll take a 400ROS please. :D
Even with a mercruiser 600SC in it the performance would be crazy....
This is exactly what i was thinking. I already priced a new 600 sci with a bravo xr sportmaster combo. Would be approximately 100K total and man what a beast that would be. I wonder what one would run with a 300x or xs??Quote:
Originally Posted by XstreamVking
About 20 mph slower than with a 600SC......
Looks like the perfect platform for a 400R
Which would be what? I have a nice low hour 300x, a new 600 w/ bravo sportmaster is 53k. They claim 24 should run as well as the 21 with same power so, would it run in the 90'same with an x?Quote:
Originally Posted by XstreamVking
The xs' boats are running well over 100. One is closing in on 110, I personally can't see the 24 being that fast, but again. Mark is and has been right every time on his estimates.
So let's assume, the 24 should push 100 with a single outboard. As far as sterndrives. I'd run the illmor long before I bought a 600 from mercury. The only plus to mercury is that is is very easily upgrade able.
Which 21 is closing on 110? Thats an insane number for one of these boat! As far as I/O goes the Merc 525 with the stage 2 whipple is very sprong and reliable with around 800hp. Id also use an imco sxc upper with either an sc or scx4 lower. Looks like the hull is a conventional hull with no steps, get that drive up high
I really enjoyed reading this thread. Can't wait to see the final product. Curious, will it have a flat transom for stern drive & outboard applications, or a splashwell?
Is the new 24 pulled from the forwardmost 24 feet of the 28 hull mold?
I don't think so Fujimo...the 24 has a 7 ft beam. Pretty sure the 28 is wider.
Alright thats enough talking about boats with motors on the inside!!!! :D
28 is only 7 as well. I was over at Randy's today and its a like a pencil...Quote:
Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
Joe
28 is a 95" beam (7.92). I can't say if the 24 is closer to 7 or 8. Either way, they both are narrow. :thumbsup:
Reggie taught Allison? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchie
Taught them what? How he could copy the bottom of their old 20 footer and win offshore races with it? Yep, he did do that! One thing Darris does NOT do is BS about speed. If he says the boat will run 97 with a 200, it will. Yours might not, but his will. :D
Under 7ft she will be a slicer for sure. At 24ft she should have enough beam to displace a 500-600lb motor easily. Cant wait to see the final product and some numbers. Theres some sweet new hulls this year like what Screaming Eagle has done with the Talons also. Another all time favourite in Tunnels. Any word on when Mark might have one in the water? Some of the fastest Vee Bottoms are a tick under 7ft.