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This may be the last chance to own a brand new 2016 XR-2002, it would be the perfect boat to run in ODBA and DSRA Lake Racer and still have fun at the lake or river when not racing.
A basic white boat on a single axle trailer will be in the mid twenties.
Give me a call to get one on order today.
Like 25 k for all white no lay down seats no gas tank and no trailer
Single axle trailer is included.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas638
Total composite and quality does not come cheap.
Here we go again.......good luclk Lee,great boat
There were three ready this year to do it. And just with minimal changes the price got up there. Then the biggest draw back was being told 700 pounds... And yes had to pay extra for all of the interior. Love the boats.. And people that builds them.. Yes they are second to none... But working class people is what keeps this sport alive.. Some times you just have to draw a line .I have seen on several sites before people saying... If you have to borrow money to play in this sport ..... You don't need to be in it!!? Well I say blah blah blah.. Only for the maybe 10 % that can pay cash...... But for the rest of us 90%. Well....... Just had to throw that last in there cause that statement has always been obnoxious. And just for record....... So people will know.. Deck stripes. Wings, and fairing stripes. Hydrolic steering. Small windshield, wiring harness hot foot and cable. Plus extra interior cost I was at 25600 without trailer... Then the weight issue came up... Not saying anything negative at all... But this is way it went.but I wished some deep pockets would order first three to keep them live.... Lol just isn't mine at that cost after every other $$$ in rigging .. .. So good luck Mr. Sanderson.
how many has to be ordered to make it happen ?
3 was always magic number
Hydraulic steering is included along with two bucket seats, hot foot with cable & 6x71/2" powder coated jack plate.
Special base colors and trim colors are optional.
Lee, just curious regarding the weight.
Any idea?
Well i ..can tell you what I was told straight from factory.. Motor weight was a concern of theirs, along with three or four people in boat and was afraid we was going to break them in half.,
Thats why it was 700. Pounds. And I debated 650 pound ssr's were fine with a lot more boat.600 is what I wanted and I was told no guarantee.. No way I putting 28 k in hull and trailer and be 100 pounds heavier.like i said not being negative at all.. That's just truth.
I would have to guess 600-650lbs. if you look at the SS weight, and it being a larger boat. No way of knowing 100% until one is made with total composite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomanytoys
Larger engines are always a concern. If someone installed a 3.0L or a four stroke, it would probably sink.
Three boats is the minium, I already have two commitments.
would love to have 1 at about 550 ilbs to hang my 15" prostock motor on
solid white would be no big deal either vinyl stripes are cheap
sorry I was dreaming
No reason at all those boats can't be built in the low 500 lb range. They were built like that for years with old technology glass and layup's. My second one was 515 lbs bare and solid
They aren't warranteed are they? If not, why would Allison care what someone hangs on the back? I'd love to have one under 500lbs which should be no problem considering they are building 400lb glass drag boats.
Put up the money and they'll get gone. I'll take solid white with orange stripes and wing tips. :-)
Well I'll had money in hand, so did. John and Timmy... And you are right patches.... No reason why not .. But noone was on phone hearing what i was being told... I wasn't being a test goat for no one. My money comes hard. And there was no non sence about 3.0 and 4 strokes being discussed.. Was told that a 2.5 was to much motor for that boat that why he wanted 700#. Now with that said i hope they do get built. That way after that
someone should be able to order just one if they want it. Cause molds will be returned and ready for another..
A 2.5 is too much motor for it??? Is that what Allison said???
Erik .. Yes... And this is last time I will post on this thread.. NOT trying to be negative.!!! Dont think anyone loves allison boats more than me other than my dauhhter Allison!!?!Just stating what happened in our deal.. Said that that boat was built in early 80's around 2.0 liter. .. Then I debated about Mr Reynolds and 2.4 liter and world record...and there wasn't hardly any difference between 2.4 and 2.5 weight to matter.. Said he was just afraid with a 2.5 and 3 or 4/people in boat we was going to break them in half. I said y'all have 30 year old 500/pounders that are still running. Agreed. But said that was just way it was going to be. No! Guareentee on weight.
Lee you got me thinking but i would want race cable pulley steering like Bill's and but would have to be 550-600 pounds but Lee i am glade you are trying i will think about it and let you know
And this is what Daris is worried about. When someone gets killed on the race track it is not a big issue, but when someone gets killed out on the lake/river then people end up in lawsuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by props4u2
I can not believe how much they have gone up. I bought one from Daris back in 86 for $8600 with trailor, seats and steering/cable. He was not happy when he ask me what I was putting on it and I told him a modded 235 crossflow. When I told him I was going to race it only,cuz I had a hydrostream vulture for pleasure, he seemed relieved. Boat was 550# ran just over 100. With a good 2.5 modded you are talking 120mph+ and that gets dangreous in a V bottom. Boat came with a max HP plate of 140HP. This is why he says a 2.5 is too much for that hull.
I'd love to have another XR2002, but I really don't understand all the fuss over installing a 2.5 on one unless it was built really, really light... even if you load it up with four people. I mean seriously, how many XR's have you seen lately that weren't running 2.5's? That's what I had on mine, and it was a 260.
As for the horsepower ratings on any Allison over 20', those are just their recommended HP ratings as there is no USCG maximum restriction once you pass 20'. If that weren't the case, none of us could buy insurance on our 20's or 21's if we went over that number. As best I recall, when I bought my first SS20 back in '82, I could go as much as 400HP before State Farm raised an eyebrow. My guess is that they lowball the ratings just to keep inexperienced people from hurting themselves, and yes, to avoid potential lawsuits.
Seems to me this would be pretty simple. If you want a lighter layup for race purposes only, just sign a release of liability and have at it. Did they not build these boats with different layup schedules/deck reinforcement when they were in production?
I can't blame Darris, with all the b.s. regs, lawsuits etc.
Boating is one of the last frontiers and it's fading fast.
They're building 420 lb XR2001's. Don't see the difference that would warrant 250 lbs of extra material
Not much way to put 4 people in a XR2001 if that's the concern.
tony speaks the absolute truth, and we all had the funds ready !Quote:
Originally Posted by allisonriverrat
Lee , Wish i could swing one of these Xr 02's !
I'd love to have a Brand New Xr ride boat , that I wouldn't have to be worried about when the weather turned bad on the big lake .
Reality is , a 550 to 600 lbs lake boat , is a perfect lay up .
If you want a Race Boat , buy a Race Boat !
Rich Martin 018
While some may not like it, the fact is that these are Darris' molds, he created them, and it is his decision whether or not to sell boats from them or not, and how those boats will be sold. It's not like he's misleading anyone. He's being clear about the conditions and the price. So if you want one, buy one under those conditions and at that price, or don't and forget about getting one exactly the way you want it at the price you want it because that's not going to happen. Why do so many threads seem to turn into pissing contests and bitch fests? In a steadily, rapidly declining market where there are not even any new high performance engines that will fit this boat well, Allison is offering a chance to own one of the most favorite hulls in their production history. What's to complain about?
That's exactly what I was thinking John,
i ended up with the 003 2002 built for mod vp triple ccc evinrude powered. not certain but seems like it was 1982. we were told weight was between 420 and 450 no nothing else. I hung a 1996 stock 2,5 offshore mid and it was like a nitros blast from the past. it eventually tore the tramson loose but hell it was our fault. ive never had an Allison come apart but I don't put 5 people in and jump waves at 80 mph either.darris builds as fine a boat as anyone in the land and it shows not wanting to take a chance on breakage of any type.the 2002 is by far the best driving v bottom I have ever sat my butt in baitman ops red wiggerlyer outQuote:
Originally Posted by Brack
Hey Lee...........aren't you glad you posted this ?? Scott :D
Back to the original post, would an XR2002 really be the perfect boat to run in ODBA and DSRA Lake Racer? Are there some racing now?
It is a great old hull design. I still have my old "race" model from 1983 and have never been tempted to change. The recommended max HP plate on mine says 75-115 so this isn't exactly a new policy.
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Originally Posted by Scott Gilmore
:thumbsup: I am.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Hope it works out Lee. A 650 pound lake boat would be perfect. Anyone who buys one to really use would appreciate the extra lbs. on a rough water day. I have a 1986 and a 1994. The 1994 has the composite transom and aluminum insert. Both boats are stress cracked. Both boats are very light lay up with heavy print in the cap. Both are under 550 pounds. I would not hesitate to put a 300 Drag on either one and not worry one second about structural integrity. The 650 pound boat is just going to look so much nicer as far as finish goes. An XB 2002 that weighs 800 pounds will run an average driver out of talent and the XR2002 will be quicker, pad is 1" wider, and faster than the bass boat. Everything is a compromise. I have not seen the perfect boat yet. Give 4 people and a 300XS on a rough water day and they could probably break an anvil in half.
what xr2002 pad you measuring? Lmao... You suppose to be he wise one Dave lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShot
xb02 and xr02 pads are the same width. Xr01 pads are 1.5" less. And the Xtb21 pads are 2" wider than the xb02/03.
the xr02 pad has a flatter profile than the xb02 but both are the same width at about 10.75-11" depending on where meassured from on the strake.
Xtb 21 is going to be 12.75-13" depending on point of measure.
Wamna say the drag is 9.5-9.75"
Sorry about that Tis. Meant to say an inch wider than the XR2001. Probably the only mistake I will ever make....:) Actually the XB2002 is 10-3/4 and the XR 2002 is 11". Thinking maybe there was some difference in widths of old Drag and new Drag. but would not want to guess!! I will measure my XTB and XST tomorrow just for chits and giggles. I will also profile the XR2002 pad vs the XB2002. Have not paid any attention to that.
Lee i hope this works i would think for lake racer a 260-280's would be a good ticket or a 200ros xs for green class plus you could still river run with it
The xb02 and xr02 pad are the same width Dave. If either is 1/8-1/4 wider odds are because its been blueprinted and had material added. The Xb has more of a rounded pad versus the xr being a tad flatter. But hard to notice unless they're sitting side by side.
When you are measuring pads on 20 year old boats anything is possible. I have 2 XB2002's and 2 XR2002's sitting side by side by side by side. Best way to check them is a tool I use to transfer shapes.
Sorry Lee, did not mean to high jack thread. Peace out.
No problem here Dave.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShot
We keeping his thread to the top Dave with knowledge lmao