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Just thinking out loud....here's an idea for a concept. I don't want to get banned from this site, as it isn't an outboard, but I only have the one - lol. This is Miss Windy, a 23' 1966 Staudacher now sporting a 1,100HP Dart based blower motor. Ought to sell it to Cadillac as that's what it rides like down the straights......the corners are another story - we won't go there. Yup! I love motors, any motor.
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Now you've gone and done it Roger-------I'd almost forgotten the all wood outboards I made in the early days-----that big old wing of yours was one of my first attempts-----THEN I SAW THE STAUDACHER----That big old blower is just begging for creation as a "Concept". But one thing at a time, I still have to get a wriggle on and finish a couple of things I started earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerH
Both STAUDACHER and Larry LAUDABACH were racing In Valleyfield in '76. Met them both, true legends of our sport-------I could not understand a word Larry said, his accent was so Deep South to me.
It is rumoured in the annals of boat racing folklore that If you never raced Valleyfield ----- you cannot be considered a True Racer!
HAPPY NEW YEAR ROGER.J.
That was the last time in the shop for this year-----------did get a wriggle on-------ET79 has had the final motor fit and all the exhausts are stitched into place!
Motored on with MALIBUSTANG and fitted it to the base------just have the vapour trails to cobble on to the wing and Voila ! We have lift off.
Stavros got me ticking------pulled out several chunks of stainless and alloys--------measured out the eighteen cylinders ( two banks of nine in radial form) I THINK. All I have to do is divide 360 X 9 and the race is on.
No piccies till next year-----ready for a fresh start, it's party time round at Steve's next door tonight , full monkey suits and dickie bows, so I will not be playing iPads tonight!
Thats it for this year folks---I wish all of you a joyous and Prosperous new year! J.
Happy New Year everyone
Jackie - i was only kidding about the R2800. Radial engines are a whole different world. Can be very temperamental. I've always said, starting a turbine is a procedure, starting a radial is an art. Kinda like a woman. :D
Yeah , I know, I looked at that P&W lump and thought ----"That's Impossible" and that little voice in my head said "SO DO IT. YOU ONLY DO CONCEPTS ANYWAY"Quote:
Originally Posted by seeroy
That's another fine mess you got me into STAVROS.!
Wow Stavros, what a way to start the new year---------that's a very profound statement ----"STARTING A RADIAL IS AN ART------KINDA LIKE A WOMAN. ? Maybe you should try a " kick start"
or even a "push start"---------- I tell you now, I haven't got big enough CAJONES to try either. I would like to live a little longer and enjoy the new year.
Question for you Stevo------is there a pot every 36 or 40 degrees-----this little conundrum is bothering me------it has nine in two banks------R/J is bound to know-----was a time I wouldn't have to ask! Maybe I'll just set it up on the bench-----in my usual hit or miss manner, it's stood me in good stead over the years.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND IRIS.
As with all good tales told by boaters, they always start with "You ain't never gonna believe this". As opposed to the usual "Once upon a time"--------I just had to tackle the P&W R2800 head on, like a bull in a china shop-------like most things I attempt I started Arse backwards by doing the prop shaft and front nacelle type "thingy" -------after nearly four hours I thought I had better just do it when I feel like it--------maybe twice a week for a couple of hours---------that way I should get it done in time for Tavares.
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Cracked it------don't need anyone's help-------40 degrees between cylinders--- X2 = an 18 cylinder P&W R23800 . Should be ready November 2016!!
Jackie--why not practice on something more simple?? Pratt and Whitney built many round motors (as well as Wright, Lycoming Jacobs, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
PW built the R-985, single row, 9 cylinders??
Then you could move right up to the PW R-4360---4 rows, 28 cylinders :)
Oh Jesus wept Gene please don't even implant the idea of a 4X7 pot lump-------I shall be up to my fetlocks on a 2X9, for a day or two,j just let me get my breath back before chucking any more ideas into the ring, all it needs is for someone to buy it provided it's ready before next Wednesday, then I'm in deep Ca-Ca.Quote:
Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM
Was lost in geometries for a while-----forgot the basics------but common sense prevailed in the end and I have a cylinder perfectly divided into nine equal parts-------simple if you think nine into three sixty ?
18 barrels is a large lump of lathe time----then there's the heads to cobble--------? Not to worry, any things possible---------where there's a will------?
I think I've managed to convince myself-------why make things easy, when you can make things so bloody difficult without really trying!?
Went to afternoon tea at Allison and Chris's ( he's the guy with the Norton and T5 Triumph ) so that was the end of play for today-------scrapyard and car boot sale tomorrow crack-o-sparrow, so it's going to be a late start------R23800 will have to wait in line.
Rambling modes back-----time I was gone-----MYGGWY .J.
and 56 spark plugsQuote:
Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM
Happy New year to all
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Originally Posted by powerabout
Back off there Pilgrim, I'm just a bean-------a human being-----56 spark plugs-------wonder how many valves? -----My brain does not have the capacity to comprehend the enormity of the beast or the desire to participate in such a scatterbrained scheme! Arthur would have a field day in in the fingers from fiddling and farting about fixing fuel ways! SAME TO YOU FELLA.
Why did I do it------just spent three hours drilling and tapping the block to take sixteen barrels!
Realised I was quite enjoying the experience --------the harder the concept the more I enjoy it.
Fabricated the first barrel and it wasn't half bad--------could see which way to go. ZZZZZZZ Time.
Had a nice quiet easy time in the shop------got tired of the 18 banger Pratt and Whitney, so I finished the cockpit and cowls for ET79------ then made up the mounts for the MALIBUSTANG .
END OF THE DAY I HAD ONE BANK OF NINE BARRELS ACTUALLY FITTED.,!!!
Sunday tomorrow so I got a free day in the shop--------will try and put the finishing touch to a couple of earlier projects---------still running with my head up my Arse!!!
Dont know if you got this story over in the colonies, but the British government in its wisdom has decided to put British soldiers on trial for actually shooting Iraq soldiers------ER-----didn't anyone explain to these idiots who run our country, that when you train a soldier to fight the enemy with a gun, with live ammunition and actually point said weapon at armed insurgents ------it's for real!
Its what soldiers do-------they should not ever be put on trial for doing their sworn duty ------somewhere along the line------the tree huggers and polititians have lost the plot completely.
You do not go to war and play pat a cake?
I have opinions but I don't usually let the polititians piss me off--------but this time, they have.
May post a piccie or three tomorrow, depends on progress made, that's your lots for today MYGGWY J.
Was round at my next door neighbours house last night having dinner with a group of friends, one step closer to normality. I'm fortunate to have such great friends and neighbours !
Dreadful morning, rain and high winds-----may have to put one of the bars on this morning-----I have a wall mounted three bar electric heater for emergency use only-----surgical gloves usually keep the joints warm.
Got a head full of ideas and brass work , copper pipes and oil ways , so I will spend all day on the Pratt and Whitney project.
Broke two 4mm taps doing some of the 150 holes already drilled, next up are over fifty 3mm holes ready to tap for the oil ways.--------there will be close to a thousand tapped, threaded holes before this concept is concluded,-------thanks Stavros, you me a large one.
If the day runs smoothly and I get done what I intend, I may post a progress piccie-----if not -----tough titty, --------sorry 'bout your bad luck!
Have a nice day.j.
Happy new year Stavros------got a couple of piccies for you to peruse------been eating bear ALL day, Got all 18 barrels fitted to the crankcase ------must have been one mother of a motor in its day.
Believe it's still in use today in the south of France in Convairs for dumping water on forest fires!
Will get around to downloading the pics later in the day, it's Sunday and drinky-pooh time and I'm not in any hurry-----you just have to wait 'till I'm good and ready!
Happy New Year Jackie--Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Steve and I----and any other OLD aviator would have to agree--
The CB-16's and CB-17's were the last iteration of the great R-2800-
This is an excerpt from John Lear--can you believe 62 inches!!!
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Looks like we might have inadvertently stirred the history pot here Gene------will have to be a tad careful how I tread, this is unknown and sacred territory.
Just thought I'd give you a glimpse of how the P&W R23800 is coming along--------I'm hiding behind the " Concept" door on this one!
Got a great idea for a stand---------may not be all that authentic but buggered if it won't look the biz on the mantle piece .
Nailed the centre section to the Lembke rig-----still got to do the gearcase-------I screwed up on the first one and had to bin it-------was a bit too ambitious with the grinder, ground it down to the prop shaft . Still have the butterfly mind, though I must confess to having all of seven hours on the double radial today. Broken it's back, just the fiddly bits, oil ways, electrics etc.
Duckworth famously once said, when one car turned up at a race meeting with three plugs per cylinder--------"One plug per cylinder is enough to create a bang"
Goodnight my friends, I enjoyed my day------hope you did too! MYGGWY .J.
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always in Corsica as for some reasons the locals are always setting fires in Summer
Same thing in the Languedoc ------there were six Canadairs based just outside Montpellier ----used to pick up water from the Etang de Thau right outside my front door. Was quite a spectacle to see them scoop up the water------Even more impressive to watch them dump it on a fire!Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
Been a "Nicely, Nicely Wilson " day-------no disasters, but I'm getting good at tedious!
18cylinder heads-----with fins-----18 injectors------18 fuel lines tapped and shaped--------about half way through.
Was going to do rocker boxes but with four to each pot-----No chance---hells teeth, I can't even count up to 72 let alone make the damn things. No, I'll pass on that one, after all-------it's ONLY a bloody concept !
done the pipe work for one bank of cylinders and it took me all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Now know what a metronome feels like, remind me never again to be a smart arse and take notice of Stavros!
Its beginning to look like it might belong to somebody but it's turning into a hard slog, glad I had a crack at it but I found my limitations!
I pad went down----lost all my passwords-----a real frog setting it up again.
Take it easy!!!---Only two rocker boxes per jug!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Only got a picture Gene and it looks like there's four to each pot-----don't matter a damn anyway, there ain't going to be ANY rocker boxes------after this I'm swopping the workshop for a holiday! On my return I may take up religion and become a priest-----a male model-----maybe a chauvinist , a curmudgeon or a Republican?Quote:
Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM
I think "Piss Artists" have a good time, might try that!
To be honest I'm quite chuffed with the day's efforts ------proof of the pud though is whether or not my contemporaries will think it's acceptable as a "CONCEPT ".
My big problem is I have three experts in this particular field ( Wolfe---Sirois-----LANGHAM , there could be others lurking in the shadows along with the ghost of Billy Don P.
I'm in the running for a good slapping or a gentle pat, will know either way before the weeks out, decided to crack on with the R23800 'till it's finished .
Can you make it backfire? That's always exciting! Screw up the 4 finger start, and it can happen.
"THE FOUR FINGER START"!??? That sounds like something from Alexander Dumas, or "Fifty Shades"?Quote:
Originally Posted by seeroy
Enough already ---------that's another fine mess you got me into Stavros-----you threw me in at the deep end, but I've nearly made it to safe ground, I'm going to have the last laugh my old friend, this here concept is knicker wettingly good------close to being " highly desirable" I'd say.
Depends on the experts------if they take to it, then I'm in and it could make Tavares ----if not, it'll get relegated to the shed.
No more sneaky peekies 'till it's all done and dusted, got a clear and pleasant day planned with nose to the grindstone -------should all come together in a bloody great rush.!
Have to get a wriggle on--------just two weeks and I'm heading for the sun!
Roger:Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerH
There are at least 5 in my garage that need props-- from the stuff that arrived too late for the Tavares Banquet
I sent the remaining ones to Jackie yesterday. They aren't expensive to mail....just the custom forms take some filling out.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
'Crack' the throttle---Quote:
Originally Posted by seeroy
It's not a rotary piston engine but.....,
Had a friend who used to rebuild old fire engines and very early vintage race cars------his name was Eric Weston---------he's been dead about 10 years but I watched him reclaim a 21 litre Racing Fiat motor that looks like your one Rich------was struck by how simple and agricultural everything was.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Pistons were over a foot in diameter .
All the boats that went to Tavares had yellow props (brass or bronze) on when they left here, maybe the customs inspectors thought they were gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Anyway, thank you for the props Roger--------my need is greater than Rich's-----I just have the one prop left that I put on each concept in turn. One day, I hope to find a supply that won't leave me without food and drink !
Made full use of the day-------no visitors------I refuse to have a phone in the workshop, waste too much time on the damn thing.
Finished the lump-----finished the mount-----just have the prop left to do-----then dismantle the whole shebang, final polish and rebuild------if it looks the dogs CAJONES then I'll post a piccie ------depends on the reception it gets as to whether it ends up in the shed or Tavares!
Keep looking at the LEMBKE concept------have it on the bench in front of me the whole time------nearly there, but not quite right, even for a concept. Buggered if I can put my finger on it, it'll come, right out of the blue.
Damned eyelids keep drooping, think their trying to tell me something--Night folks, MYGGWY.J.
Hi T2xQuote:
Originally Posted by T2x
What is that?
Its a bloody great big engine Pilgrim. .!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
BGB....lol
It is not one of these......Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
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There's someone who brings these motors to the Buffalo Launch Club V&H event. Here's a picture of one of the motors from 2007. He actually ran both of them on the motor stands.
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Its a terribly over-restored Chris*Craft engine, completely designed & manufactured by Chris Smith. It weighs 1500 pounds & only produced 225 horsepower initially, when they were first produced in 1926. All this, from 826 cubic inches. The A-70 model was only produced(at the Algonac Michigan plant) for a few short years, before much more horsepower was re-engineered from the same engine & thus rebadged the model A-120, up to...and as much as, 400 horsepower. Both model engines were the same bore & stroke, with a 5" bore...and a 5 1/4" stroke. The Chris*Craft Model A-120 was built up to the beginning of World War ll.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
...Those other engines look to be Allison or Rolls-Royce V-12's...its difficult to tell from the photo's. People nowadays restore these engines any way they deem to do so, cosmetically, and mechanically, in such a way, that it is sometimes difficult to tell what the hell they are. :(