Tricks that old racers get up to after retirement

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Originally Posted by FUJIMO

Who knew the kid liked water. Who'ed he pick that up from? Any idea? http://www.fastonwater.co.uk/images/...n_yq1123y2.jpg

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Just who the hell are you Pilgrim?
That picture is well over 50 years old! Taken outside our council house in Oak rd, Southwater.
Boat and motor was parked outside the house, in the street between races.
That was my second race boat, "THE DERRY DEVIL" I bought it cheap with a 45 HP Merc on its bum because nobody could keep it on the water.
Most of the E class hulls could run 45mph with a 50 HP Merc-------that little mother would run 47 mph all day long.
My dad used to crew for me, until I dumped him in the water at Chase in the Duchess of York.

Spent a restless night wondering who Fujimo might be------I could put a name to 99% of the people and drivers involved in FONDA-----that was a group of drivers and individuals who had one thing in common------we all loved boat racing.
Bugger the politics-----we had it right-----almost!
A full 22 boats or more at EVERY meeting, non factory drivers actually winning races,.
Of course there were development motors for favoured drivers, ie, Seebold, Bentz, Fountain etc .
Racers from all over the world at every meeting whether it was London, Paris, Milan, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Singapore or Penang.
GG never thought we would make it--------but we did--------that's when the politics and the UIM kicked in, but that's another story altogether !
Time to come clean Pilgrim, I'm listening, just who the hell are you? Who can be that close to the Wilsons that I don't know about? Patriarchs never forget.

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Just to to show you I'm still active and furnagling------that's before and after I cut the motor in half. Nothing more than a "progress" report.

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Originally Posted by John Schubert

John Sheldon

Betty Davis, Jackie's friend needs your contact information, primarily a shipping address for the concept model of the RC that Jackie made for you. Her phone number is 407 756-8071

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John:
I have called this # 3 times and no answer. I left a voice mail with my address, but haven't received anything.
For the record;
John Sheldon
237 Golf Club Dr
Metter, Ga. 30439
John

Cobbled a new front cockpit------put a little imagination into this one-------beauty of a concept is nobody can argue with you about what you were thinking at that particular moment, post a piccie tomorrow------bolted the motor down -------made a quill shaft between the drive and motor------generally, was cooking with gas today. Makes a pleasant change!

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Originally Posted by Rotary John

John:
I have called this # 3 times and no answer. I left a voice mail with my address, but haven't received anything.
For the record;
John Sheldon
237 Golf Club Dr
Metter, Ga. 30439
John

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Noted------stored------was Betty ringing the right number Johnno ?

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Originally Posted by Rotary John

John:
I have called this # 3 times and no answer. I left a voice mail with my address, but haven't received anything.
For the record;
John Sheldon
237 Golf Club Dr
Metter, Ga. 30439
John

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Try Bill at 407-399-5989

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Originally Posted by Rotary John

This is for Jackie. Nobody remembers who came in second.Attachment 332492Attachment 332492

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Hi Jackie you mentioned Robert Glen top right in this picture I am sure he was the Johnson distributer at this time and you mentioned his pretty wife Pep Glen I can remember one year at the Paris 6 hr race the first driver to start was my teamate Jeff Edwards he was to start the race I was the 2nd driver our team were racing Johnson .Well over 80 boats were lined up at the start you could here a pin drop the countdown started it got to around 2 minutes to go when Edwards decides to stand up in the boat takes his helmet off and shouts I need a Pee he was serious and starts to make his way to the bank and steps off the boat well Pep Glen stood in his way waved her arms and screamed at him to get back in I think you can guess what happened next but he did make the start.

Bob tried to get me to race a Johnson on numerous occasions, he also wanted me to take on the Johnson dealership. I think he's a Canadian by birth------he was good for racing, a true enthusiast .

Bob Spalding always left it until the five minute gun to take a leak. I can do LA to London without a pee, but I still get up in the middle of the night with a bursting bladder?

Old Fujimo is slow in coming forward and stating his case------anybody out there know him?
Lives in Florida-------probably retired Englishman------sounds Far East -----???

By Four o'clock I'd had enough, was tired and had back ache so lit the fire and had couple of glasses of wine and suddenly the world's a brighter place-------trying to sort out the rear cowling without enclosing the motor.
It already looks better than my last attempt at the COSWORTH .

No more piccies till the jobs done.

Everybody gone very quiet------nobody knows FUJIMO ------?
Rent day again, it always seems to be Thursday -------will do the pilgrimage to the Mecca at Ford, see if there are any hidden treasures to be found.
Haven't come up with a final solution for the rear cowl------have one or two loose ideas, but nothing concrete. Play it by ear.
time to rise, the smell of a pig sandwich is drifting up the stairs, mmmm---- does it get any better than this, the day's adventure is just beginning.

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Came across this 1/12th scale model V12 Jaguar.
Its obviously been well used in a previous life, then dropped from a dizzy height which damaged the see through engine cover, front screen and a couple of Windows.
In the back is a perfect replica V12 engine------right down to the last detail.
If anyone had a mind to own Gary Fergusons Parker winning Sidewinder----------this is the perfect donor car -------would save me weeks-------and I could never get it this good !

Wasnt happy with the plug leads on the COSWORTH so I ripped em out and started anew!
Life sure don't get easier------and it don't help none to know your getting dafter with advancing years.

Stop press, they finally nailed "Darling Oscars"hide to the fence--------maybe there is justice to be found in South Africa after all--------Guilty of Murder. ,!!

Lòoks like xj220

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Originally Posted by powerabout

Lòoks like xj220

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You could be right on Pilgrim--------there's a label on it that says EXJ 220 it's a far eastern product, Jap, Chinky , maybe Tiawan, do not recognise the makers name, beautifully constructed, puts my efforts to shame I can tell you.
I'll pull the motor, then I can decide how big the concept will be, must try and make this one a bit special------you don't get many Parker Winners to the pound!

Jackie, I heard from Terry Topjun, and he's sending me 12 propellers left over from his Alterscale motor models. Should be available to get to you by the new year. This is the last of his supply. I know John Schubert needs one, and I need one for Pughie, and two for the Wooden Wing. The Wing has two black propellers, so I'll send them with what's left. Merry Christmas!

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Originally Posted by RogerH

Jackie, I heard from Terry Topjun, and he's sending me 12 propellers left over from his Alterscale motor models. Should be available to get to you by the new year. This is the last of his supply. I know John Schubert needs one, and I need one for Pughie, and two for the Wooden Wing. The Wing has two black propellers, so I'll send them with what's left. Merry Christmas!

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Thats great news Roger, I got a Duesey of a concept for the next one ------how bout the V 12 Sidewinder Mitch Lenske drove to victory at Parker in the early eighties?
You think that might just tickle the taste buds------got a slight problem though-------can't find a half decent picture of the boat--------you got anything worth while skulking around Roger ?

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Originally Posted by jackiewilson

You could be right on Pilgrim--------there's a label on it that says EXJ 220 it's a far eastern product, Jap, Chinky , maybe Tiawan, do not recognise the makers name, beautifully constructed, puts my efforts to shame I can tell you.
I'll pull the motor, then I can decide how big the concept will be, must try and make this one a bit special------you don't get many Parker Winners to the pound!

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Jackie...only the prototype XJ220 had the V12, the production ones had the V6 out of the Metro 6r4. Check which version you have.. those heads look more 3 than 6.

But there again what do I know?...Phill from Bristol

[QUOTE=ron54;2812531]Jackie...only the prototype XJ220 had the V12, the production ones had the V6 out of the Metro 6r4. Check which version you have.. those heads look more 3 than 6.

But there again what do I know?...Phill from Bristol[/QUOTE

Phill, look a little closer, both on the bodywork and the rocker covers it says XC220.
Could well be a V6 -------if it is-------I never saw a Jag with this amount of armoury surrounding it!
One way or another it's going in a concept boat.

Did you know I once was close to putting the "COLOGNE" Ford motor in a boat?

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Originally Posted by jackiewilson

Old Fujimo is slow in coming forward and stating his case------anybody out there know him?
Lives in Florida-------probably retired Englishman------sounds Far East -----???

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My guess is it is Mark writing under a pen name. Who else would have the intimate knowledge of racing, lives in South Florida and also has your family pictures of 50+ years ago? OK...so I won the contest and now you are sending me the second effort Cosworth on the trailer as a prize...Thank you very much :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I reckon the Jag xj220 would have been way more popular had they used a v12

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Originally Posted by Bob V

My guess is it is Mark writing under a pen name. Who else would have the intimate knowledge of racing, lives in South Florida and also has your family pictures of 50+ years ago? OK...so I won the contest and now you are sending me the second effort Cosworth on the trailer as a prize...Thank you very much :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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No way Bob---------Mark is like me------if he ever put ANYTHING on S&F he would put his name to it, not hide behind a nom de plume. Maybe now you understand my concern that someone who knows the family enough to have pictures from fifty years ago but likes to hide. Don't think I ever fell out with anyone bad enough that they had to hide from me!!

Second effort COSWORTH is better than the first by a country mile-------will bring it to Tavares and put it up for auction to help offset the postage costs--------unless someone makes a half decent offer for it before. Remember this thing is a heavy old lump probably over 14/15 lbs, so will be over .$50 to post to the USA .

Been stood at the bench all week and have had a chronic backache for the last three days, was hoping to get it all "done and dusted" by sundown today, will have to wait and see how the day pans out. If it's finished, I post a piccie. Then I can think about stitching a stern drive to this here Jaguar lump and inserting it-----"complete with its drive" as required by UIM law to make it an OUTBOARD--------Then we can open up a whole new can of worms and get into some decent heated discussion ! What do you think?

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Originally Posted by powerabout

I reckon the Jag xj220 would have been way more popular had they used a v12

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Never quite made the big time, that big old V12------was so close! Didn't they use it at Le-Mans in an all aluminium version?

Was the same thing with the "COLOGNE" ------heavy old lump, plenty gee- gees, but a lot of weight .The DFV spelt its death knell I think----but don't take that as gospel, you would have to ask Hawkeye Hawkins or Malcolm Tyrrel.

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Originally Posted by jackiewilson

Never quite made the big time, that big old V12------was so close! Didn't they use it at Le-Mans in an all aluminium version?

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Yes
As usual le mans rules keep changing to allow something to win.
Walkinshaw had the rules bent all they way out to 7.0ltr then his v12 could win.
The irony there is the rule was lowered from 7.0 na to stop Americans from winning years before.

The xj220 v6 is a mg 6r4 specifically designef for group b metro rally car.
Twr bought the rights to it and used it in the xj but modded to suit

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Originally Posted by powerabout

The xj220 v6 is a mg 6r4 specifically designef for group b metro rally car.
Twr bought the rights to it and used it in the xj but modded to suit

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That i can except----so where does the "experimental" bit fit into all this and the V12 and the back to front "C"?

Didn't they ban the MG R4 forever because nothing could live with it ?

Group b cars died after ford made a specific group b car and it went faster than safe and killed both guys in a fireball.
Group b was then stopped or banned or something like that.

Knowledgable old bastard on the quiet aren't you Pilgrim_______have i ever met you in real life--------did we ever fight ?

Hey, Mr. Fujimo i asked a few questions about you a while back, you've been a tad backwards coming forward----- why don't you just talk to me? Did i ever thump you or have a little disagreement ? what you got to lose ?

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Originally Posted by jackie wilson

Hey, Mr. Fujimo i asked a few questions about you a while back, you've been a tad backwards coming forward----- why don't you just talk to me? Did i ever thump you or have a little disagreement ? what you got to lose ?

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Jackie....How do you know it,s a HE ! maybe it could be one of your old flames back on the prowl....

It's O.K. Jackie. Just giving you a basic family compliment. Nothing to loose sleep over, lol. No, our paths have never crossed, other than here on S & F. Some enthusiastic boaters here on S & F, over the years enjoy creating quite a big name for themselves, by fabricating a persona of someone they are not. I am not that type, I assure you. Those great Wilson photos are all easily plucked from the internet. You have history that everyone enjoys hearing about, from the past and the present. Keep up the good work. ;)

Started my new part time job this morning. Lets see, VP Engineering-Handy man-Clerk- Mower of the greens. I seem to be going backwards in my career progression.

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Originally Posted by Rotary John

Started my new part time job this morning. Lets see, VP Engineering-Handy man-Clerk- Mower of the greens. I seem to be going backwards in my career progression.

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How the hell you start a part time job Johnno, where do ya find the time, you need an assistant to get you through the day, call out my name, and you know wherever I am, I'll come running --------ain't it good to know you got a friend ??
Sounds kinda familiar Johnno------must have heard it somewhere before?
Whats a career? I always wanted one of those things, but never found the time until 30 years after I retired, now I got me one-----I'm not sure what to do with it, backwards is not a bad move anyway!

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Originally Posted by FUJIMO

It's O.K. Jackie. Just giving you a basic family compliment. Nothing to loose sleep over, lol. No, our paths have never crossed, other than here on S & F. Some enthusiastic boaters here on S & F, over the years enjoy creating quite a big name for themselves, by fabricating a persona of someone they are not. I am not that type, I assure you. Those great Wilson photos are all easily plucked from the internet. You have history that everyone enjoys hearing about, from the past and the present. Keep up the good work. ;)

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The only history I ever found on the dot dot about "Jackie Wilson" was I'm black, I sing and had a hit with "REET PETITE" Don't believe anything you see on the dot dot!


Talked with Mark today about the piccie of him in the "Derry Devil"--------he said all the pictures posted on S and F were from a montage Lou and Craig created for his 50th birthday party, Seebolds were there along with a bunch of his old race friends-------even I went along with Cadillac and many others. This was at his home in Palm City, some nine years ago, did you attend? The Tricks site is there for anyone to join in and enjoy, it's all about boat racing, the people, the rigs, some of em got famous, some got forgotten in the annals of time, all of them are important.
Some like me have machine gun mouths, so they get heard, others just stay quiet until you get them to open up and speak of deeds and exploits of an age gone by, so all you people out there, I'll always be glad to hear from you at any time and about the tricks you're getting up to right now!

Got this itch in my britches to hear more about Mitch Lenske and the V12 Jaguar boat, I believe the boat was a sidewinder-----I always thought it was a Seebold, but apparently that's not so------though it looked a hell of a lot like a Seebold to me, if anyone has a tale to tell or phoggies to post, please feel free to do so, I would appreciate them. I have found them to be as rare as rocking horse Sh-t--------you got anything in the archives Willa,Rodger H don't seem to have anything on it.

Think it was a few years back----this rig came up for sale----but its authenticity was in question, I tried to remember where I saw this, but like I said the memory's shot------I told Mark he should buy it, nothing ever came of it.

Here's an ET with a V12 Jag....haven't found anything on Mitch Lenske yet. The guy who built the headers said it was for a drag boat, but it clearly says ET on it. Anything look familiar?????

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[QUOTE=RogerH;2812772]Here's an ET with a V12 Jag....haven't found anything on Mitch Lenske yet. The guy who built the headers said it was for a drag boat, but it clearly says ET on it. Anything look familiar?????

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Step in the right direction Roger, don't think it's the Parker winner, makes me wonder just how many V12 Jaguar boats were there?

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Originally Posted by RogerH

Here's an ET with a V12 Jag....haven't found anything on Mitch Lenske yet. The guy who built the headers said it was for a drag boat, but it clearly says ET on it. Anything look familiar?????

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Step in the right direction Roger, don't think it's the Parker winner, makes me wonder just how many V12 Jaguar boats were there?

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Mitch Lemke and the 12 cylinder Jaguar powered Silver Wing ET boat

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