[QUOTE=noli;3143532].
just my .02c
windshield should not crack
curious who makes those windshields on the 420?
I agree but its a big piece that was being thrashed (something for other owners of big wrap around screens to keep in mind). I believe it was warrantied by Lee Aerospace.
Joe
I was just trying to show the obvious pattern. I am sure that you have some more accurate inside information to back up your newest statement LOL... I will add it to my example list next year for you-keep them coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by CUDA
Joe
As stated I have no posts in stated accusations, Gee who's behavior does this sound like...
https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/...ngton_post.php
Is anyone other then Randy Corson planning on a 450 single application? Red Rocket or one of the other big money guys putting one on a River Rocket?- It would be cool to see one on an LCB or Talon that can handle the weight.
Joe
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Originally Posted by JPEROG
Thanks, good to know
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I am far from a big money guy. But i do know how to sign bank loans to perfection. I have been thinking that a 450R may motivate me to go boating again. In my thinking the 2 300xs motors complete with steering should be worth 25k. If i stumble on a buyer for them i would consider buying the 450R for motivation to get my ass off the couch if nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
I have come to the understanding that a boat or boat motor sales award is not going to be presented to me. I respond to some of the post wanting a boat or motors. I cant run the sales marathon to get to the finish line to get paid. "can i get more pics" is the number 1 question. Not sure of total questions possible. I seem to lose interest in the sale after the 3rd round. I think i give potential buyer the best free advise i can. "Do not ask seller of anything if it is good condition".
Bring someone to look at motors, start motors, Check compression and anything else to make a decision about the condition yourself. I offer use of tools and shop. It seems that the motor buyers need all of the assurance that you get with a new motor purchase. I am not the right guy for the task. It seems when i mention that a used motor may run for years or may blow up next time out. That seems to shut down interest quick. For now boat is a garage/bedroom fixture and has only been in the water 3 times in the last year. Attachment 442672
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Almost sold the boat complete 6 months ago. Buyer insisted transom is shot. I would have to drop price to cover cost of a new transom. I think i have the only 4k lb 22ft hull ever built. Walking on deck is like a concrete floor. Also probably the only hull that ever flipped over at 85 mph with 2 300xs motors hanging on 10 inch jack plates with zero hull damage. Port windshield, hinge that attached the hatch and a couple seats broke. No damage to the hull makes me think it is a well made boat. Pic of transom shows a thin almost razor blade cut in gel between the black and red across most of the transom. I think when i converted to twins around 2014 the gel coat may have been mixed a little hot to make it brittle. Jumping on either motor or both motors at the same time will not flex transom. So i call it good.
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What about that cherry LCB in your collection? Or, whatever became of that 24 Skater rehab/remake you were playing with?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
My plan for the LCB was a supercharged motor until I found out that they were only available on the AMS, weigh what they do, then the price tag eliminated me from buyers ring. I am going with a different power source now and have all of the pieces except for the Porta bracket and interior. It will move back into forward motion soon-"the sure way to disappoint yourself when you are fixing boats up is to set a (done date)".Quote:
Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
The skater is at Doug's shop and we have most of the parts laid up (it will be a one of one very cool boat at some point) and it should run pretty decent too.
Joe
I know I been late for work every day , left early , ate half the french fries and drank the chocolate shake machine dry .. :o
But how I'm gonna pull that couch out ta make a bed wiff dat 300xs all up in my bedroom .. :(
I'll never :nonod: get my beauty sleep :) or make it to burger-king on time now ... :pAnd no ... it won't be funny to use it as an alarm clock .. :eek: :D
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachm...2&d=1561408974
Just sleep in one of the other 4 bedrooms. Or just sleep on the back patio. It is a 3 star sleeping area.
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Isn't 2 x 300xs more than 1 x 450r? It sounds like a massive power deficit to me... :confused: How will this 'upgrade' affect performance? :confused: What am I missing here..?
Going from 2x300 to 1x450, you lose over 400 lb and the drag from one gear-case. I also can’t help but wonder if the 450r is under rated like the 300r is....Quote:
Originally Posted by aeneas
Exactly, on the smaller boats each 100 lbs can cost you 2 or 3 mph. Take a hull which is ~1800 lbs fully rigged minus engines. Add 2 300XS motors with ancillary systems and you have a combined weight of around 2900 lbs with 600 HP or 4.834 lbs/HP. Swap that our with 1 450R and you get a total weight of 2500 lbs or 5.54 lbs / HP. That's pretty darn close and when you factor in the lower unit drag it's close to a wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by engineermike
The acceleration request from a single is asking a lot after having a pair of XS motors on Dave's boat. My guess is that he would be okay with everything other then that aspect and it will take some real set up to prop it for a happy medium. Adding a 3rd XS would be a little more excitement but this would be a cool test bed to watch as the aftermarket world comes into play with addtl. hp.
Joe
Did you miss the part where he said that twins affected slow speed handling because of to much transom weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by aeneas
Yes. The slow speed used to drive like a car. Now with rear deeper and front sponsons lifted out of water for the 1st ft or 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risco
When i turn right instead of front cutting right. The whole boat seems to push left. Like the front is not deep enough to track. So to pull up to the island instead of a courteous idle in between 2 boats. I have to coast in.Attachment 442865
Dave I experienced that exact phenomenon. When I switched from twins to a single I thought I was going crazy because I expected low speed maneuverability to get worse, but it got better. It wasn’t until I read your explanation months ago and it all came together for me.
In the process now of starting are new up fit on our boat with a pair of 450R little wait time for the engines but that's ok. We are switching over from big IO power.
Mercury 450 V8 dimensions
Hey wondering if any of you have the dimensions for the new 450 V8?
specifically the width at the cowling.
asking for a friend ��
I don't think that you will be the only ones. Reliable boating is happy boating... What hull are you guys converting?Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesis
Joe
Our boat is a 32ftA skaterQuote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
Should be a fun boat and will feel very light in comparison to what you are used to. Post the progress and results when you can.
Joe
It's a fun boat had big power in it before went 156 in it. Going to be big change for sure. We have some really good guys help us so it should cut down on some of the BSQuote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
MPH????? Damn!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesis
Yes it would have went faster with more prop. BIG POWER SMALL BOAT LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by SS Minnow
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Originally Posted by nemesis
Thats serious, I have a friend with a 32B that runs low 40s and that is fast enough for me. He holds on like a "cat to carpet" when he gets into an outboard boat LOL...
Joe
Is it a 28ft boat and flightie in rough water or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
He hasn't been in the one of the new 28s but has been in my 24, 28, and 32 skaters as well as my 30 spectre. They just don't stay planted like an inboard with all of the running gear "completely different deal when the boat weighs half".Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesis
Joe
Got yaQuote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
Here's a short video from some fun on the MTI 340X. This is Mercury Racing's own test boat.
https://youtu.be/nrQTWBRDzME
How does 118 in a 34 MTI compare to other power packages on that same hull? Having a benchmark would go a long way in justifying $120k in motors.
The acceleration doesn't compare to 400Rs and they have put 12 mph additional on top end. If you can afford a new 340, you can justify the additional cost for the correct power package. Its been much faster then 118.
Joe
I was thinking more along the lines of $120k or more in I/O power, never doubted they would smoke 400R’s. My gut said 118 was slow but it looked like he had the throttles pegged. Then again he had 5 people and probably a full tank of fuel so 118 ain’t so bad :cheers: No doubt there's more speed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
No one buying something like this justifies anything, they just want to have bragging rights at the bar.
These big numbers you are seeing are not everyday numbers. 118mph a real number with a load. Our boat lose about 2mph for every 200lbs of weight. O/B cats are very weight sensitive. I love seeing all the hype but lets see the smoke clear and get some actual production motors on customers boats. I bet you will not see the numbers Mother Mercury put up. That same boat showed 113mph light with 300r motors. However JT ran it to the boat show in Feb and only saw 108mph down in here is FL. The Carbon Fiber MTI 340x factory boat ran I believe 115 or 116 at LOTO last year w/2 people, 400r's.
So for anyone who spent there life tweaking and playing boats here is the fact to ponder?????? How do you pick up 15mph to 20mph with only 100hp gain??? Not taking anything away from these beasts but for me the math does not work.
More boost Scotty...and the average guy will never have a boat set up as well as the Merc. test boat "they have it as good as is its going to get".
Joe
Joe...how dare you underestimate your Scream & Fly patrons here!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
Only takes this, but also here don't do "bought and brag"....."well first', then soon.."I can improve on this". All takes is this (can't leave NOTHING stock! )Quote:
Originally Posted by FUJIMO
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One is being rigged on an LCB come February. ;)
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Originally Posted by JLanier571
Hi!
Do anyone of you know if the 450R will be delivered with a different midsection. The midsection they use now is heavier than the trim ram version 300R has as option.
cheers Toffen