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i fly in an out of SoCal and LAX to and from Hawaii a lot. And I can tell you that there are HUGE numbers of people in the areas under the flight path living in one room apartments with street parking only, working service industry jobs with no charging stations at work, driving old 90’s era cars, with zero hope of having either the money or the infrastructure to enjoy the rich man”s BEV lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by David - WI
-Peter
In Los Angeles you’ve probably talking about where the illegals are living. Some of those rich people you are speaking of actually at one time did live in those one bedroom apartments and struggle to better their life. If they choose to stay in those apartments and they’re happy good for them, if they’re not happy then they need to make a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcrussell50
If the cost becomes prohibitive I guess many people will be riding bicycles and electric scooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by David - WI
Solid StateQuote:
Originally Posted by pcrussell50
Solid-state NASA battery beats the Model Y's 4680 pack at energy density by stacking all cells in one case
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</article></aside></aside>NASA's Solid-state Architecture Batteries for Enhanced Rechargeability and Safety (SABERS) project has reached a research milestone, announced the agency. After a few years of experiments and university partnerships, NASA's solid-state battery has hit the whopping 500 Wh/kg energy density, double that of the typical electric car, allowing it to propel electric planes even.
In fact, NASA has been doing the solid-state battery research precisely as part of its Convergent Aeronautics Solutions project for sustainable aviation. In the process, NASA managed to discover a novel packing method for solid-state cells that reduces the battery weight by 30-40% and doubles its energy density compared to the current liquid Li-ion batteries in most electric cars. For comparison, Tesla's 4680 batteries in the Model Y boast sub-300 Wh/kg energy density, while CATL's upcoming M3P phosphate packs for the standard range Model Y are rated at 160 Wh/kg.
SABERS’s battery eschews individual packaging and stacks all solid-state cells on top of one another within one single case. Not only is this design much lighter and energy-dense than current EV batteries, but it also exhibits the inherent endurance of solid-state packs. NASA's tests of the new solid-state battery found that it can withstand temperatures twice higher than what current Li-ion batteries in electric vehicles are able to endure before bursting into flames.
This makes it suitable for use on planes and the NASA team is testing its solid-state battery for continued performance at even higher pressures and temperatures. Improved battery safety is a very important advantage of the solid-state technology as the recent Hurricane Ian devastation demonstrated. After all, putting out Teslas which caught on fire during the floods, and whose flaming battery packs couldn't be easily extinguished, turned out to be a major new headache for the disaster recovery crews.
100% correct. Free enterprise brings the best of everything to surface. Someday we will have 500+ range but until then l am headed to the pump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoker boy
Joe
If the "solid state battery" copy and paste was a flop on the last page .. only the village idiot would "go for sloppy seconds" on the "current" page .. (no pun) :D
Some day - one day - in the future ... :rolleyes:
Lets declare war on fossil fuels .. decades before the everyman's golf cart and the infrastructure to support them .. are ready ... super-tards in action .. :cool:
Less than a month fella's .. make a difference ... VOTE !
Most likely, but it’s a high probability by that time I will be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPEROG
There you go blasting off with NASA Mr. CUDA. Maybe you should hook up the auto manufactures with NASA. Lots of talk, talk, talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by CUDA
If the cost becomes prohibitive I guess many people will be riding bicycles and electric scooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by David - WI
It's not for everyone ... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSm7bjGjEwM
Well... if it was an e-bike he would've gotten electrocuted when he pissed himself on tbe way down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaz
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Originally Posted by CUDA
In the immortal words of a fellow S&F’er… “Yawn”.
Wake me up when this actually happens and I can head to [insert any trustworthy BEV dealer here] and buy one.
Further, on NASA’s own web site they say this:
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Not only does this design eliminate 30 to 40 percent of the battery’s weight, it also allows us to double or even triple the energy it can store, far exceeding the capabilities of lithium-ion batteries that are considered to be the state of the art,” Viggiano said.
Besides the semi-literate nonsensical wording, double or triple the energy storage will not be enough to get you from LAX to London or even Honolulu. It will have to be at least 100x not double or triple. That’s how bad this desperate fantasy is. Double or even triple will not even be enough to spend an all day outing on a planing hull boat unless you motor for a few minutes and beach for the day. And you still will probably at or near the max weight for your boat. And for SSB it gets worse…
…read on…
…Back to the science: Solid state electrodes have been around since the 1800’s. (Battery and electric motors are waaay older tech than IC motors, after all). But they were and still are, super-hyper-duper incredibly unbelievably expensive, (too otherworldly to describe, really ), expensive and super fragile. Like house of cards fragile. Though they do address the fire risk of lithium. In 2012 a single 2Ah solid state battery was about $10,000 (not a typo). For reference, that's the equivalent of ONE alkaline AA battery. You would need several thousand of those at $10,000 a pop for a battery car. And they’re so fragile they might not survive the change in grade from the street to your driveway.
Now might be a wee bit early to be holding your breath on this one. Not only that, but SSB hopes for battery cars have been coming up every so often at least since I started looking in 2008. Nothing yet.
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OT, but pushing back for a flight to LAX as we speak. ;)
-Peter
This one is pretty badass!
https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...-drive-review/
Lucid Air has a range of 500 miles. Tesla is over 400. This is an entertaining and funny thread. Religion, politics and ignorance are really on display here. This thread is about an EV boat going for a speed record. That is all. No more, no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoker boy
The Tesla battery weighs 1200 lbs (about the weight of three aluminum LS v8’s) and holds the equivalent of 2 1/2 gallons of petrol. The only reason it can go 400 miles (in theory) is the that it only takes 15-20kW (20-25 horsepower) at cruising speed, so a 100kWh battery is good for five hours or so . That is as good as lithium transport will ever be. And If you can tolerate a four door sports sedan that weighs as much as a Tahoe, then you are going to be a happy camper. Sounds like you are. Good on youQuote:
Originally Posted by Brad Zastrow
But you have mentioned “the towing problem”, which is also why there are no planing hull boats with useful range/duration and no commercial airplanes either. You said in a previous post that “technology will solve the problem”. So … what do you see as the problem? What needs to be improved to solve the problem? Truth: I already know where the problem lies, (it’s in my first sentence), but I’m curious what the new-to-BEV evangelists are thinking. I’ve been following this tech for 15 years now, so I’ve lost the “new guy” enthusiasm. Do you think the needed improvements for towing will come from more efficient motors? (Hint: they’re already super efficient), or from more battery capacity?
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2600 lbs for a car that should weigh no more than 2000 is bit porky for my taste, but hey … I’ve always said that toys like cars and the battery mopeds you see around are a great use for BEV technology. The owner of the “chubby” cobra will be more interested in dragging than road racing, and have at least one if not two petrol vehicles next to it in the garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by John S
-Peter