...techteam, where did you source this beauty?...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachm...8&d=1601294784
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...techteam, where did you source this beauty?...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachm...8&d=1601294784
Seem to remember a law was passed in the USA making the production of two cycle motors, Bikes and outboards, anything that was fun somewhere in the early nineties . Or did it just simply “Go away”?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
Calf. pass a law banning 2-stroke motor cycles on public roads in 1974Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Naw, it goes much deeper than that Johnno , damned if i can remember at the minute, but i will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
The EPA nor EU have ever never made a law about technology only emissions, that caused carby 2 strokes to go as they are pretty dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
The japs did a great fake news lobby to con everyone as they didnt have the answers.
Not to my knowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
1971—Richie was building two strokes— snowmobile engines
The only outboards seen on the Ledge were OMC’s
Don't know where we stand with 2 strokes but CA just made a new law banning the sale of new gasoline-only fuel burn vehicles effective 2035. Hybrids? YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
Electric? Yes
... thats illegal for them to do. its going to cost the state(and the taxpayers) untold millions of dollars in the courts when they are challenged on this. the only one that will make out on this will be the lawyers. same old same old.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterZebra
Dont you just love it when a plan comes together.
Do you know anyone else who is crazy enough to spend a day of his life carving out a V8 outboard concept. From a solid alloy billet 5”x4” x 2 and a half inch. roughed it out on the band saw and screwed up a £20 blade. Spent the whole afternoon fernagling some sort of semblance of an overweight, overpriced, pug ugly rendition of an F1 V8 racing outboard . But ive got ambition!
Still haven’t wound myself up to do a super duper all singing and dancing gearcase , but i will tomorrow.
Had my last plaster change on the poorly arm. Nurse was well pleased with the way its healed. Will get signed off later this week . I should have the F1 project ready for a sneaky peaky. Before the end of the week too.
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Originally Posted by jackiewilson
I'm surprised you haven't given 3D printing a try? Bronze sculptors are using 3D printing to cheat on lead time to "scale up" with full size statues.:eek:
Ok my friend, I’ll try and explain it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterZebra
My Grandson, GARY STRAY, bought me a 3D printer a couple of years back. I’ve done a few bits on it, but wasn’t that ecstatic with the results.
Propellors are a prime example, never could get one to “ Man up”. Steering wheels for the silver ghost didn’t come out at all well. In the end analysis, it’s PLASTIC anyway. Me and plastic don’t get along.
Finest Model offshore boats I’ve ever seen are made by Phillip Morris. But they are PLASTIC. Don’t ask me why, but I think that’s cheating. (I sense trouble over this).
How can I possibly explain the difference between him and me creating a concept. Mr, Morris makes a mould and pours a boat.
I take a hunk of metal, ( or wood ) and nurture it into something . Definitely will not have the fine detail of the plastic , but it does have feeling, passion , and a love of boating.
Phillip Morris boat will set you back around a hundred quid, and will come out as a beautiful scale model replica.
Any concept of mine will cost you treble that. But it will be something unique. No two are ever even remotely the same. Suppose the main reason is the fact I simply don’t know how to do scaling.
Now I’m not complaining at all, I once tried to explain to Christian Toll that it was similar to the difference between a photograph and a panting. A photo is the true replica of the subject and therefore deadly accurate. A painting is one mans version of the same subject and can never be one hundred percent!
In conclusion—- I never saw a photograph that fetched fifty million ! ——-Have a nice day y’all.
I have the original. One day I'll get round to either posting it or dropping it off with the framed photo I have of him at Records but time flies and I always forget when heading south to shandy drinking land.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUJIMO
Tried for years to just let you roll over and ignore you Fuji . But the time has come as the walrus said !!Quote:
Originally Posted by techteam
I always had a lot of good friends at Windermere. Specially at the record attempts . Didnt see many of them for the rest of the year , but they were always there . Simply took em all for granted i suppose .
Met up with the Lancashire Lot from Carr Mill. Joe and his drunken friends. Stayed at the Low Wood. Parties went on long into the night.
Then there were the Geordie lot from Tyneside . The Lincolnshire Lot , Graham Musson and Ron .
There was a character that did the boat drawings for the UIM certificates at around £100 a pop.
But thats not who did the COSSIE line drawing.
Dont ever remember a piccy taken at Windermere. OK, so now you got my attention, Fuji.
By the way, if you’re a deep dyed Beer swigger. I can cater for you.
My favourite drink was always CC7 , but these days my every afternoon drink is G&T , but i do have one or two bottles of Single malt that i save for visitors.
Make yourself known and i will make you welcome. But if you have a humpety Quasimodo back or any other hideous impediment and wish to remain MONOGOMOUS. i will respect that also!
I am not an artistic guy but this artform is one I really like. My dad's tail gunner from the war could draw animals that looked almost alive with a pencil. I have a scan of one of his works somewhere in this new computer but damned if I can find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by techteam
Jackie: Now you've done it. That's not Fujimo's picture!!! It's TechTeam that says he might drop it by one day. BUT you better be real nice to him as he is one of the rotary experts in the UK. Real nice guy who's son was one of the best boat racers in England. I worked with him on rotaries for a couple of months several years back.
Johnno. There were hundreds of boat racers in England back then. Good ones you could count on two hands. Best ones i knew, every damn one of them . So im a tad intrigued to know who your Rotary friend would be. I never made any secrets of my views on Rotories, but in spite of this we have remained good friends over the years . Plus, i never ran when you told me you were going to punch my lights out. Still dont think NIRVANA ever FORGAVE ME .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
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Is that not just the cutest gear case you ever saw? Decided to give solid brass a shot. Worked out quite well. May have exaggerated the angle of dangle a tad, even for a hot F1 with ambition.
Jackie: this is not back then. James 15 yr. old son was the head honcho in the 15 Hp V-bottom class maybe 5-6 yrs ago. He finished engineering school and works for Lotus I believe. James still makes his living designing rotary engines. I believe he also was involved in the restoration of Campbell's Bluebird.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
You need to get Jim Nerstrom to buy this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
JIM WHO ????? OH YES, now i remember, the driver instructor / trainer ——- sometimes of Oshberg and occasionally Lake X . THAT JIM NERSTROM!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
...Very nice work Jack. (and with no claimed injuries to boot.) Awarding winning craftsmanship...:thumbsup:
No Jackie: Jim Nerstrom was the engineer in charge of OMC 2-stroke racing engine development. He did the 3 cylinder, the V-6's and the V-8"sQuote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
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Originally Posted by Rotary John
Ok Johnno , so I’m a complete Dingleberry . Sincere apologies for putting my foot in my mouth, it’s getting to be a regular occurrence.
Way back in my mind, I had heard of Jim NERSTROM, don’t think I ever met him, or I’m sure I would have remembered.
If ever anyone of his calibre wanted one of my concepts, then I’d make damn sure it was the best I could do.
That particular Brass concept gear case is “ adequate” at best, nowhere near a masterpiece. But if he wants something in particular, let me know and I’ll see what I can fernagle.
Made a beeline for the recycling facility, (srapyard to you and me) knew i had seen a five foot long billet of solid brass 2” X !/4”. cost me a tenner , but i can get a dozen or more bottom ends out of it. Not that im planning on doing any gearcases at the moment. its just the fact of KNOWING that i can should the occasion arise !
Found a chunk of Brazilian teak, hard as FECKIN nails and cross grained something rotten. If I could do the finished job using only irons, ( ie: planer, chisels, spokeshave and cabinet scraper) then I wouldn’t need to use anything except a single coat of beeswax. It’s beautiful, but a stone bitch to work. Plus, I’m not that clever, made the sponsons, polished up an aluminium tunnel. Half way there without really trying . Why do i put myself in these ridiculous situations. Never will get around to tidying up the shop.
Remember the twenty SEEBOLD tunnels that lined up at the Miami Marine stadium, each had identical motors. Think they were 850 Three pot RS OMC’S.
Nice looking rig, fairly reliable, had a lovely bottom end and looked the part. Ran 85/90 but all the owners swore on a stack of bibles they once saw a 100.
Was a strong field of runners ( all OMC drivers of course) including Renato, Cees, Jenks, and an upstart called Bill Muncey or something like that who was inconsiderate enough to bugger off into the long distance and win. ( so I believe).
Anyway Johnno, i thought it would be of more interest to Jim NERSTROM, to have something like that as a concept, with a really nice “Quickie” gear case !
This time , it would have an outstanding bottom end, not just a “Cute” one.
Not quite so Jackie—Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
I’m sure. SOMEONE will correct you—
Muncey was the PROMOTER—
RACE OF CHAMPIONS—- they even invited the OFFSHORE champion—-
As usual Gene, I told the tale from memory, After your comments, looked it all up on the dot dot and sure enough I got it all woefully wrong. Was Billy Schumacher who won the event. There were 15 boats, not twenty. To be fair, they were Seebolds, and they were 75 hp Jonrudes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM
Apart from that, I did give a reasonable description.
All that just to make a classy bottom end!
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Originally Posted by Rotary John
Ok Gene, so he has to be a NORTHENER. Lotus are based in NORFOLK. BOTH KIETH DUCKWORTH AND COLIN CHAPMAN HAD A FAIRLY BRIGHT SON APIECE. Roger Duckworth raced junior boats, so did Clive Chapman. Dont think either of them had much to do with ROTORIES. Roger is into advanced electric propulsion and i Have no idea what Clive is up to.
Only other James i Know that came up from junior racing is James Shepard, He did well in offshore. Won the Cowes /Torquay. P1 worlds three years on the trot with my grandson Craig. But he was into groceries. Not Rotories.
Lot of controversy over Bluebird, Loads of mudslinging, fact is, it was at the bottom of the lake for fifty years before it was pulled up. Shed loads of money, time and effort went into the restoration. Suddenly everyone wants a piece of history.
As my sainted mother used to sAY “nowt so queer as folk”.
Clive runs “Classic Team Lotus”..He and is team maintain the former Lotus collection of “works” cars. They also restore cars of a similar type.
Ok Phill, But that doesnt explain the “WORLD CLASS” boat racer James that Johnno was referring to!Quote:
Originally Posted by ron54
Been going like an express train this morning, roughed out an RS JONRUDE separate Powerhead, mid and gearcase. all out of solid. Its “THE NERSTROM” Couldnt figure out what to call it. But this seemed to stick. By the way Johnno, im billing you with this one! OOPS i bet that hurt didnt it?
Rates have always been either reasonable or non existent, be a change to actually make a shilling or two towards the timber and scrap metal!
I'm sure you heard the news today from across the pond. Dandy Don has Covid19.............Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
I attended that race. Those boats were just SE boats. Power was 49 in OMC 3 cyl motors. The racing was unimpressive. Some of those guys just couldn't come to terms with the limited power available and some obviously suffered from lack of seat time in those small tunnels. Lars Strom has lamented that he was not able to get a seat in that race. As a long time SE driver I could name a number of drivers that could have improved that race.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Whoa there, I can see we have to push the reset button here as I can see things getting thoroughly confused. Mr Sheldon nice to hear from you as always but I fear Jackie reads every other or even every third word of these posts through the bottom of a glass of CC7 (Interesting that because my favourite drink is a CCCD by far the better drink but Jackie obviously has to go his own way as anyone who knows of the Cosworth would realize.) Couple that with time and my posts are often short due to other more pressing things and I can see how things get bent out of shape. I am world class at nothing and was such an insignificant participant in Powerboat racing as to not even be worthy of a mention. My son does not work at Lotus, Johnno you got that one wrong, but I am immensely proud that he works for McLaren if only for the fact that he gave up something he loved and knuckled down to his education and got his dream job. He did have a couple of Speed Records and a few Championships and while committed never competed on the international circuit. I also have nothing to do with Bluebirds restoration, but I do have a close family member that has a very cool job with them that I'm jealous as hell about, so don't talk about it. Oh and he also was pretty quick in a boat and held or still holds multiple catamaran records that even now are impressive speeds. Finally I'm not being mysterious but very rarely use my name online because of all those scammy little toerags that keep trying to extract money from me.
Well techteam, sorry I screwed it up. Lotus or McLaren. still pretty impressive. I was trying to give you credit for the pencil drawing instead of the Merc advertising guy. Jackie with his CC7 interpreted it wrong and assumed Fug. had it and you were some long time European racer that he must have known. You didn't take credit however, for being one one the most knowledgeable Rotary engine people in the UK. Hope all is going well with you and Ann. John
OJohnno you dont ever have to apologise to me for any little Feaux Pas .Afraid as i grow older, i make more and more, sad part is, at the time, im absolutely certain that the statement was gospel. Yes i did think it was a drawing Fuji had conjured up. I had never seen it before, and i was suitably impressed .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
Still have to disagree with Tech Team about CCCD being a better drink than CC7, But what the hell Johnno , if i didnt disagree with everyone, it wouldnt be me would it.
I will never ever repeat this , but i have always thought that the rotory was a wonderful idea once the boffins got it right . Its just taking a bloody long time. (what is it? 110years up to now).
England is a small place and powerboating is such a close knit community that im conceited enough to imagine i know everyone that ever even thought of racing. i dont of course, so i apologise for my temerity.
My sisters daughters husband was a truck driver for Maclarens for many years. He hauled the hospitality unit all over the world . Just saying !!!!
The Hospitality of Big Money Racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
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McLaren's home of winners, and manufacturing dream rides for others.Quote:
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Theres only one way to start this!!! YOU AIN’T NEVER GONNA BELIEVE THIS “
My eldest grandson Ben owns and produces a monthly magazine called AAH. ALL ABOUT HORSHAM.
A few years ago when he was short of material, he published an article about My son Mark and me.
Last week he recieved this email.