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May you all have a beautiful nights sleep-----I'm done MYGGWY.J.
When you're right, you're right, Jackie. Hamilton is fantastic, probablty the best ever....Fangio, Schumacher, Senna, Gar Wood, Vettel...all secretly wish(ed) they had his talent.....who would think that a spoiled brat who won his first title because Vettel gave him a position in the final race of the season could turn into a deity. Pardon me while I go throw up.
I think the new ozzie is the class act of this year, just needs a faster car
Vettel had nothing to do with it Rich, although it was another German who's tyres had "fallen off the cliff", think you will find it was Glock who never made the final corner in Brazil.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Of all the drivers on the circuit today, Lewis is probably one of the few who was not born with a silver spoon, ( unlike Rosberg).
Vettel can only win if he has a superior car and a team mate that "races to rule", he's done sweet FA against the new kid on the block Daniel .
Politics robbed Hamilton of the world title in his rookie year, BERNIE could not let a coloured kid win the title the first time of trying.
He is without a doubt, one of ,if not the best drivers in the world who just happens to have one of the best cars ever produced.
Try not to chuck up Rich-----it makes such a mess of the carpet.
" DEITY" Heh, that's another of those big words, like HELICOPTER and MAYONNAISE .
Can you remember the last F1driver to win five races? ( of course I can), would love to see him do six.
Dont think he's quite the class act of the year, but he is without a doubt the most personable driver on the circuit who can out drive Vettel, as he says himself it's a pity he hasn't got the Red Bull of yesteryear.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
He's got Bernies attention-----he'll go far-----he's got great talent!
Sorry Jackie...But I think there are some "team orders" afoot this year that have held Nico back.... Frankly you are right about the race issue, except I thnk you may have it "bass ackwards". Having Hamilton do well increases media and public support.... Bernie is no dope and Mercedes sales have crossed over into new market opportunities. I think Hamilton, Vettel, Ricciardo, Nico, Bottas, Alonso, and even Kimi have talent on par with each other. Senna would drive rings around all of them and Herr Schumacher in his prime as well. Today Nascar and F1 are somewhat like professional wrestling and have blurred the lines a bit between sports and sports entertainment.... The sheer complexity of Formula 1 has made it a clever combination of science fiction and super heros..... sort of Buck Rogers meets Ironman...In the end, we agree to disagree.....about the future"Sir" Lewis.
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Been out a the farm working on food plot for the deer and turkeys.
Agree with a lot of what you say Rich. Lewis and Jenson are the only two of the current crop of drivers who don't have millionaires for parents or blue chip company sponsors, both come from working class backgrounds and were pulled up by their shirt tails. Ability and true grit with a dad that drove them beyond the limit at all levels of the sport is the reason for their success.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
While Jenson will never be great, I believe Lewis will, only time will tell.
Lewis has had five unexplained " management system failures" ? He was leading the race at the time in four of the cases, ( one was a start line issue). Nico has had two failures,
You missed out probably the greatest driver of all time in Jim Clarke. Duckworth always said he was worth two seconds a lap over the rest of the field.
Schumi proved he WAS the best but then cocked it all up by coming back when he was well past it, plus he hit Ferrari at their peak when he was on song.
Senna does not need me to mention him-------can't see anyone in the wings just yet.
We are on the same wavelength Rich, our views differ, ( which is only right), as long as we keep agreeing to disagree and can remain firm friends, that's all that matters.
After all it's only like saying that Seebold, Bentz,Herring, Scotti, Velden,Molinari Jimbo Posey and Sanders were all on a par with each other, but you already know I ain't never going to agree with you on that one. You all have a nice day.
You have a peculiar interpretation of Hamilton's sponsorship history. He was suckled on the McLaren teat. Or is that not blue chip?Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
How long will it all last with teams dropping off as predicted
Mercedes have 700 staff on the payroll and interest rates are going up across the world...
To me Billy was our Senna/Clarke.........Than comes Renato....and the others "on any given day"......Although Earl was something very special....just too short of a career...Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Wrong pilgrim----Ron Dennis watched over him from an early age----there was no sponsorship from that direction------,just hope for the future. His old man Anthony was the Guppy (great universal provider) he went out with the begging bowl right up to Lewis getting the McLaren deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarryStrawn
There you go again Rich-----we are very nearly in agreement, over the years I have become close friends with Billy, Renato would never let you be close friends---------hand on heart, in my book, even today I don't know which of them was the best!!Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Somewhere in that mix, but just out of kilter in the time frame was Sirois, he had to be close, but he was leaving inshore for offshore and had joined Al Copeland by then. As Billy and Renato were on the rise. I could name twenty drivers who were all good on the day, but all fell short of being Number 1 for any length of time . Velden was up there for a few years, but I never rated him no 1.
But then again I never particularly liked him so I could be a tad biased.
It did Billy no harm to be their number one factory driver, having access to all the secret sh-t that came out of R&D .
Another very hard driver was Konig, I only raced him in V bottoms but I knew if he left his hydro's for tunnels there would be trouble.
Schultze was always as hard as nails and very much a loner but a lovely person.
Plain fact is, take away the boat racers and I don't have many friends, wonder why that is?
Have to answer R/J's post then I'm done so sweet dreams one and all andMYGG.J.
Don't tell me you feed the turkey birds and Bambi's and shoot the poor buggers out the living room window---don't seem quite the done thing Johhno, suppose you felled the tree cover too to give you a sporting chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
Just yanking your chain because your not doing Tavares.
That's the gamble of F1 you build a team and hope a manufacturer buys you out, normally you have to show potential for this-----ie, Eddie Irvine, Jackie Stewart , Ross Brawn. If you do that your in the Monopoly game---------out of jail and buying Mayfair
that only works when the came is going up, nobodies going to buy anybody at the moment
its all about timing
Ford bought stewart, did him a favour in most peoples eyes.. ( long relationship there)
Toyota spend more than most back then and just closed the door
Sirois wasn't on your earlier list.....To me the "Billy's" are the top 2.... pick 'em because I can't put either one above the other....after all I am mortal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
I have said repeatedly that the highest compliment I can pay to a person is that he (or she) is a "real boat racer". Most of my closest friends are also cut from that cloth. ...... One more little detail...not everybody who owns nor drives a race boat deserves the "real boat racer" title.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
Ah! There you have the difference between us Rich,--------I sit on the right hand side! (According to my children and ex.)Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Sirois was a great character, first time we met was in the USA/GB stand off on the Paris pit area around 6.30am the morning of the race early October 65/66, I forget which. He was always at Rolla's -----Molinari's------Havasu. PRUETT took me to his house in Florida, I was always surprised by how big he was.
That's nothing new----out of a field of 100 at any of the big races anywhere in the world you knew the ten rigs where the winner was coming from-----it was ever so!
Molinari had "celebrity" racers who were exceedingly well heeled and would order new boats every year, they couldn't race for toffee but were in the most very nice people.
Don't agree pilgrim, in F1 the time is always right-----might cost a few dollars more if it's a successful team------few dollars less if it's on the skids-----somebody always wants in.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
The Koreans will be knocking on the door, then the Chinese, Americans keep putting a toe in, Honda are back big time ----Eastern tyre manufacturers are there to replace Pirelli and Michelin,
F1 is not ready to roll over and give up the ghost just yet!
Two of the nicest people I ever were Alberto Fioretto, he owned a restaurante and a camera shop in the tiny town of Casale Monferrato --------and Carlo Bodiga -----he owned a little outfit called Black and Decker with a factory or two in most countries. Renato would put a factory engine on one of his latest boats and sell it to Carlo who never even asked the price-----if he didn't win ( which was like NEVER) he would say he didn't like the boat and buy another, there was always a queue of drivers waiting to buy ex Bodiga boats . If he lived to be a thousand he would never make a racer.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Alberto was different, he just loved to be be among racers would supply all the wine, sausages and truffles for the celebration dinners.
In my roundabout stupid sort of way, I'm trying to semi agree with you Rich, trouble is some of those who were not "REAL BOAT RACERS" were really nice people with a deep love of race boats.
A lot of people get as much fun out of competing as winning
The only ones who don't make my list are the d*ckheads, chest thumpers, showoffs and poseurs. A "real boat racer" simply needs a deep love of the sport...and the other sportsmen/women.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
We finally got there , we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Very true Pilgrim------I do know a fair few of those people.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
Jackie. Those of us over this side remember the camper "Jackie Wilson..Racing for Fun", boat on the back, middle lane of the M4,faces looking out the windows looking for traffic cops.....Phill.
Rich, like I said previously, most of my friends are or were "Racers" , more than I care to remember are no longer with us, so I count myself blessed that multitudes of the buggers still treat me as a friend------can't think of one offhand that I haven't "discussed" issues with, crossed sabres, raised voices, heated disagreements, but at the end of the day we always shook hands and hugged each other---------we were glad we got it out of the way. But isn't that what true friends and racers do?Quote:
Originally Posted by T2x
Classic example of this was early days with ROTORY John, was quite sure we were going to have a right bundle at the inaugural OFF meeting------what happened? We became lifelong friends------it's what racers do!
I have seen the dickheads and chest thumpers, fist pumping and high fives at some of the off shore events of late------usually where there are just two or three boats running ------Pilgrim and Rich got it right-"Wankers" ( apologise if that's not P.C.)
Should get a fair few comments on this post----roll up-----give it your best shot, I'm putting the iPad to bed so off you pop peeps and MYGGWY.J.
Happy days Phill, thought they would never end.
The RV was a 26' six wheel GMC----the most beautiful camper van ever made.
We were late going down to Bristol with one of the 2 liter. Cosworths hitched up behind------ran it flat out down the M4------I bottled it @ 110 MPH----it was still climbing, but I had a rumble in the trailer bearings and five kids with us.
Looking back, I could not remember when the party was over, it just kinda faded, but it's actually still going on------week tomorrow I'll be travelling to Orlando first class on the BA big Airbus, drinking bubbly with my youngest-------the adventure continues!!!
I can remember racing offshore and there were guys that could barely get the boat out of the marina
[QUOTE=jackiewilson;2700653]Wrong pilgrim----Ron Dennis watched over him from an early age----there was no sponsorship from that direction------,just hope for the future. His old man Anthony was the Guppy (great universal provider) he went out with the begging bowl right up to Lewis getting the McLaren deal.[/QUOTE
Wrong pilgrim. Hamilton has been on the McLaren payroll since he was 13. Their young driver program. You can't be claiming his dad paid his way through Formula Renault, F2 and GP2? He was his manager but it was other peoples money.
[QUOTE=BarryStrawn;2701063]Yup Barry, that's exactly what I'm saying------it was Anthony that put together EVERY sponsorship deal Lewis ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
So saying there was no sponsorship from Ron Dennis or McLaren prior to the F1 drive was just Louie mania.
Jackie; you need to find the article Lars posted about Jimbo. Its worth reading.
http://svera.se/blogg/jimbo-mcconnel...zine-may-1991/
Barry------that is not what I said at all, I said Ron Dennis and Anthony struck a deal when Lewis was very young----Anthony worked and paid for the early days from his own pocket until sponsorship came along.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarryStrawn
The point I tried to make was Hamilton and Button came from a working class backgrounds, unlike others who were born into money.
Everyone should take time out to read this Johnno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotary John
If you want to know what the essence of a boat racer is, look no further, wonderful.
Amazing though it seems, I can hold my head up and say "I KNOW JIMBO"
I have never met Jimbo, but after reading this article, I feel like I have met him, and that he and Cathy are the true heart and soul of boating.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackiewilson
If we only had capsules sooner
No good going down the "if only" road------we could say-----if only we hadn't had tunnels etc. Etc. Etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerabout
Well yes and no, tunnel boat capsules still have an issue with the canopy and that has caused deaths in recent years.
Offshore cats still aren't engineered correctly and when going backwards and upside down at full speed then hit they water they fail