Thanks looks like a really clean boat!!
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Thanks looks like a really clean boat!!
Here is the boat that turned me on to the 22 Velocity hull!! Ran mid to upper 90's with a V8 Johny w/mods!
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Now I'm confused. Are the Regal Velocity 23, the Regal Velocity 22, and the Stepp Velocity 22 all different hulls ?
yes they are different hulls
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Originally Posted by Greg G
The 22 hull remained mostly untouched throughout its transitions. I am sure there might have been little refinements. Steve did change the deck on the 22 when he started building them as Thoroughbreds before he aquired the Velocity name back from Regal. The 23 hull is basically the same bottom but on a much different boat. Tall freeboard, molded platform, (larger) cuddy cabin. The 23 was only made by Regal.
The original Steven Stepp 22' Velocity and 22' Regal Velocity share the same exact bottom. Top deck has changed a bit through the years and the Regal 22 had a small step down cuddy. The 22' Velocity could be ordered with an I/O or outboard. The 22' Velocity's were listed with a 22 degree deadrise. The 230 Velocity was only built by Regal and had a much taller "Euro" styled topdeck with high freeboard, molded swim platform and a nice cuddy. It only came as an I/O boat. The deadrise was listed at 23 degrees so...not sure if the bottom was identical to the 22' boats but pretty damn close! I had a 1988 230 Regal Velocity and to this day it was one of my favorite boats. I think the lines/profile of the 230 Velocity to be one of the best looking boats ever built in that size range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
Makes sense now. Seeing as the 23 was only I/O that gets crossed off the list as there are other options out there if a buyer is willing to go with I/O power. If O/B power is the preference, then I guess it boils down to trading a small cabin (Regal Velocity 22) for a 5-10 mph hour faster hull (Stepp Velocity 22). Two very different micro niches in the <22 size IMO.
Here is "mild" to "wild" ............
You could also consider the Checkmate Pulsare 2100. It's almost identical in size to the Velocity 22 but much lighter and faster. It also has a very usable flat cabin (Playpen) that will easily sleep two adults or storage use. There's currently a thread running regarding Concord 18's Checkmate Pulsare 2100 with a 300X running 92.4 MPH on GPS. He's waiting on a 30 pitch prop and moved his motor up another notch...hopefully to break 95 MPH!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
Buizilla is doing the buying, but I thought the Pulsare was a much shallower entry and only 18 degree of deadrise in the 2100 ?
Hey Greg, the Pulsare has 19 degrees of deadrise but a much narrower pad than the Velocity. The Velocity will handle nasty water with it's sharp entry but the wide pad will beat you up..unless you stay on the gas! If you get airborn and come of the thottle the Velocity can land pretty hard..on the other hand...the Pulsare's narrow pad will ride much better..but the light weight can also beat you up in the rough stuff...kind of a toss up! I love the classic flat deck lines of the Velocity but, you give up some cabin headroom....I also love the long sloping deck of my Pulsare...the arch top gives you some pretty good room under the deck. It's a pretty tough choice when both boats are side by side!!:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
Prop , RPM , and gear ratio ?? That's an anomaly among 22 Velocity's it seems .Quote:
Originally Posted by DKerns
Tom,
Correct me but I thought your old boat, at least when Frank had it before you, was 80-82 on GPS with the 300 Promax. Does that sound accurate?
I was told by Frank that Smokin Joe Perioschi drove the boat near empty and as light as it could get in the low 80's . That is what I remember from my conversation with Frank . I had the boat to 77 to the best of my recollection with the DAH 26 Big ear chopper that came with the boat . I never really had a long run to string it out for a long run . This is why I am so surprised at these reports of speed in the mid 80's and above with two guys and 25 gallons of gas etc . The 100 mph speed with an Evinrude is particularly surprising .
I conversed with Frank serval times, his best speed was 84, you can search his posts, he mentions it several times. If memory serves, it was with a 26P Spinelli at 6200 rpm, 1" below the pad...
The motor was prepped by Marvin at Evolution Marine. I thought it was around 450 HP. It was my cousins boat, so I don't know the specs you are looking for. I will try to get them! There were a few 22 V outboard boats in these parts running V8's in early 90's that would run those speeds. One of the other ones is for sale in the classifieds on here with new power. Actually, I think it was just posted on the last couple of pages in this thread. Everyone was doubting the 85 with the white motor!!!! And yes, those were radar speeds!!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Foley
Here is a pic of the motor. (Not that it makes a difference) It was paired up with another on on the back of a 26 Thoroughbred(Velocity) in this pic.
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What did the Evolution V8 weigh and what was the setback?
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Originally Posted by Greg G
Like I stated above, it was my cousins boat. I will try to get some info from him for you guys! I know that is was on a jack plate, but don't know what the setback was!
Talking with Steve Stepp he told me either I/O or Out Board the fastest for that hull is any were from 1+ to 2+ above the pad. Alot of pics I've seen on the net are below the pad. The reason I'm saying this is because I feel these boats can run alot faster then what people are getting out of them. Also driving them, it's a total different animal then a normal v bottom.
Tom, I considered Ed "HighVelocity" my friend until he told me he is voting for Obama. :confused::confused::confused:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Powerplay25
Greg G , The fastest that my old 22 velocity ran was with Joe Perosechi driving it. It was 84mph at 6200 rpm. I had my promax 300 dynoed and it showed 303hp . If the Evolution marine came in at 450 hp,I think 100mph is possible. I have a vhs tape from a company that used to be in business in the Daytona Beach Florida area called "Hercules performance Marine" They built up a small block chevy and used a stroker kit in it and got 550 hp. On the tape it shows a 22' running over 100mph on the intercoastal near Daytona Beach, Steve Stepp was driving the boat. That motor was basically a NASCAR motor. The boat idling at the dock with that big cam sounded great. Frank
Greg G and Tom Foley.....
Talked to my cousin today. The boat had a 6 inch setback Bob's hyd. jack plate. The motor was not 450 as I had thought. It was just over 400. It was a stage 4 Evolution Marine. Did not get final ratio from him, sorry! Had a V6 gear case with an Evolution nosecone over top of a Bob's nosecone. Ran 15" dia. Mach props 28P and/or 30P depending on the load in the boat. Would spin it to 7400-7500 rpm. Just to make it clear, I never stated it ran 100!! I said low to mid 90's!!!! Hope that helps!!
Tom,
I think everyone deserves a chance, that's why Dave is my friend, and he's gay...LOL
Another genius obama supporter (see above).
So it looks like 84 GPS was Frank's best run on the Stepp 22 with a "" Promax 300 on it and a lot of set up time. Having a little extra weight overall as compared to a lighter Superboat 21 will help when the chop goes above 2'. Those water conditions tend to take the lighter hulls like the Pulsare and the Rallysport out of consideration.
The only problem is finding a mint Stepp 22 in turnkey condition. Are there any out there at present?
I'm still tied to the whipping post for selling mine , which was Franks !! I'm still keeping an eye out but economy is keeping it on the real back burner ...............:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
If you have to have the Stepp hull, then it is hard to find a freshwater boat as clean as Franks was. I bought the Superboat 21 instead and should have bought Frank's like Tom did.
How wide is the pad on a Stepp 22 ?
Pad is about 11" if I remember correctly, haven't measured it in a while.
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Originally Posted by cutwater
:thumbsup: cool!
12" wide on a 22 footer..........now it makes more sense that the 400hp Evolution V8 would push that light layup Stepp 22 10 mph faster then Frank's boat at a dynoed 300hp.
Ed, you got to let that 230 lb. thing go. It's okay to tell the truth. Your pushing at least 250 by now. Eat more? You already eat enough for TWO people!Quote:
As we all know the pad helps with top speed, not the chop.
In a following sea I actually run a little negative trim and a bit more throttle and it feels really smooth actually. The cool factor is high when you hear the motor rip out occasionally.
Going head on isn't for the faint of heart though, you need to really get on it,,, get it flat,,, and trust the hull strength. I would like to move some weight further forward in these conditions, but I don't think the batteries will take the pouding. I move my seat up a few inches, I'm 230 pounds, but that does really help...LOL...I need to eat more I guess...LOL
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Originally Posted by Greg G
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Foley, where did your boat go?
Tom's boat went to the Virgin Islands...
Does that mean I would have a 22 Velocity now and not a 21 Super?:smiletest:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg G
I should have kept my 22 Velocity and my back would still be fine:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by BUIZILLA
Tortola BVI .:mad:
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Originally Posted by Powerplay25
Anyway, will marine batteries take the shock if you mount them toward the front, I know a few guys have done it on SnF???
Mike,
When you bought my Super 21 you knew that the reason was to bring the hull home to where all Super 21's ultimately return, Long Island, and do one of the finest restorations that a Super 21 has ever seen. Super's always return, and stops at foreign ports like mine are just wrong turns.
That said, how wide is the pad that you installed on your boat?