Fastest SOB hull???

Bringing original poster 302Sport and his page 1 of this thread back TTT ........ a rules refresh for some.

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Originally Posted by 302Sport

21-24ft, what is the fastest with a single outboard???

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Originally Posted by ripstop

Obviously a cat hull of some type, As far as specifics i think it's all about setup and weight so probably a Liberator maybe a lightweight Eliminator

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Originally Posted by 302Sport

No cats just vee bottoms. APBA used to have a SOB class that specified vee bottom single OB 21-24ft. Looking for something in that range

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Originally Posted by mikeylarge

I am sure this will become interesting. There are a few variables depending on which water you are looking to run. Progression, tuff, Superboat, Intimidator have all broken that 100 mph mark

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Originally Posted by RBT

Hands down the Tuff 21 is the fastest single engine fee bottom.

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Originally Posted by 302Sport

Run the Long Island sound, so looking for something that would run decent in some slop

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Originally Posted by RBT

If you like how a challenger 21 rides, you will love the tuff. It has the added benefit of a ballast tank to make the ride even better.

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Originally Posted by mikeylarge

If you run the sound, the fastest hull really is not very important. A progression 24ld with a 300xs will get you into low 80s and handle big water very nicely, A 24 superboat will do very well in big big water but tends to run slower overall

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Originally Posted by mariawhitetrash

Bernico

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Originally Posted by dnelson964

Like Mikey said above... he's on the money. 21'-22's will be faster on calmer days but the LI sound most normal days is 2'-3' chop and with long rollers. It often kicks up fast to 4' or better also so it's hard to run 'full out' anyway. Heavier weight boats run better in that.

If money is NO object I would include a Bernico F2 for sure but good luck finding one.

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Originally Posted by RobF

Around here Tuff boat is like a unicorn

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Originally Posted by berzerko

Funny there built only 500 miles away might as well be 10,000. As for speed seeing is believing !!!

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A different take on a rough water SOB hull.

RIP BRP.

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Rough water jumper. Getting back to one of the original rules of this thread, notice how flat out nasty the water is. There were honest 2'-4' waves on Seneca Lake. Oh, and my boat was 25 years old when this picture was taken. How many "faster" boats that folks keep saying should be added to this list could take this kind of water and still be alive? And notice how terrified my son and I look. Yup, just another day in the Progression 22!

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Originally Posted by WavetoWave

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Fixed it for you W2 ..... Chaudron Pro S22.

A possible contender for "The List" once one arrives in US waters this Spring and W2 gets out his tape measure.

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Originally Posted by WavetoWave

There's a lot more going on with the Allison bottoms than just the lip. Probably why they hold all those speed records?

Every performance pad V hull has some inspiration from Allison; notch, convex pad etc. Nevermind the monocoque construction. They don't make sport boats anymore but to suggest the Allison bottoms aren't fast or didn't inspire designs we see now is not accurate. The 21 bass boat is close to 110 MPH with a 300R. The ultra light Tuff 24 build is about the same right? Which is amazing, I love it. And yes, aerodynamics are critical at those speeds. The 116 MPH XB 2002 had a lip. Lots of SS and XR running 115+ with a lip.

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Originally Posted by RBT

Critical point on the above comments that is omitted is the fact the fast Allison’s are with 2.4/5 power. Don’t get me wrong I love the Allison’s I grew up watching Owen Boris test and set records. No other performance hull I know has pencil roll for lift. Side note, Tuff 24 at 110 out of the box in hot humid weather and no dial in time in an almost 25’ deep vee offshore boat that I would venture weighs more than a 21 Allison going 8mph faster is a quantum leap.

Light 24 with a 300xs at 118 (800 lb ish bare shell)

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The Blake light layup Tuff 25 weighed in at 800 lbs? I think that is less than the kevlar King Tuff 21's weight. Offshore boat??

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Originally Posted by TooStroked

Rough water jumper. Getting back to one of the original rules of this thread, notice how flat out nasty the water is. There were honest 2'-4' waves on Seneca Lake. Oh, and my boat was 25 years old when this picture was taken. How many "faster" boats that folks keep saying should be added to this list could take this kind of water and still be alive? And notice how terrified my son and I look. Yup, just another day in the Progression 22!

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Also of note is how many photos there are of Progression 22's and the 237 running in nasty water. Impressive 30+ year run and still building 'em new today.

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Originally Posted by ghost28

there are no special lightweight Progressions...Kevin will tell you he builds every boat the same for the most part as he will not sacrifice strength and longevity for a few lbs saved...The newer boats i think around mid 90s on or something like that are fully bagged and lighter than the earlier boats But i have seen older 22s go just as fast as newer ones....as for the baby blue one it went 102-104 on one or 2 occasions with ALOT of changes made after it left the factory, changes that rendered that boat UN WARRANTYABLE according to kevin and we all know what happened with that boat and a VERY experienced driver...those boats with 300s be it 300pro max 300x 300xs are all going to be 92 to 94mph boats thats it....IF you think going 5mph faster in the same boat is going to scratch an itch for more speed your outta your mind...Thats just an EGO stroke so you can say MY BOAT GOES 100 when your bragging at the ramp because you will get ZERO seat of the pants feel from a few MPH in that style of boat at that speed...adding more setback may gain you a couple MPH BUT the boat isnt going to like it...Too much setback makes them porpoise and cruise speeds, too flighty to run hard at higher speeds and kills there rough water ability...Do you honestly think if there was 5 to 7 mph to be had in a 22 progression Kevin and or his faithful followers wouldnt have found that magic setup and make it standard fare on any 22 that comes out of the factory? The boats are set up to run consistently and properly in real waters which kevin has tested over and over again to feel there going to perform good...If you boat in a puddle in the middle of no where with no boat wakes thats always flat yeah maybe a couple mph can be had but the boats gonna want to peel off the water the second a ripple comes along....

as for a Tuff 21 In my opinion that boat aint **** compared to a 22 Progression...There build process and fit and finish is stellar and the boat is beautiful BUT the bottom design IS NOT the same as a 21 linder bottom or a 22 progression, activator ETC and doesnt work as well unless your boating in a PUDDLE with no changing water conditions...the one that was here on long island was owned and rigged/setup by the fastest guys around and never did anything impressive because it simply couldnt handle the waters the way the 21-22 standard pad bottomed boats can.

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Originally Posted by RBT

I’ll make a comment about the poster, he is the one boating in a PUDDLE, GSB isn’t near as rough as the Great Lakes. As any real offshore racer where the rough water is. Also consider the poster location, he’s a typical too proud to even think someone or something could best them.

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RBT, do you run on the Great Lakes? I'm probably incorrect here but assumed there were no Tuff 21's currently running on the Great Lakes.

OK, so it's not an outboard. It is, however, a small single engine rough water capable boat. Taken on the same day, a few seconds later that Too Stroked's photo above. Fun day.
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Rotorhead is still probably running on Lake Simcoe. Not a Great Lake, but you can’t see across it and at least one offshore group outing was pulled due to big waves

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Originally Posted by laster

OK, so it's not an outboard. It is, however, a small single engine rough water capable boat. Taken on the same day, a few seconds later that Too Stroked's photo above. Fun day.
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In case you folks are wondering, that's the Progression 24LD that the former owner of my Progression 22 purchased when he sold the 22 to me.

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Nitra's 22 looking to light up the sky in sunburst yellow. 26 Degree rough water pad V running a claimed mid 90's so far.

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Originally Posted by Greg G

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Nitra's 22 looking to light up the sky in sunburst yellow. 26 Degree rough water pad V running a claimed mid 90's so far.

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It is a cool boat for sure, the 5.25' beam though? definitely helps with the wetted surface but that cramped cockpit would be tough to live with.

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Originally Posted by Pulse186

It is a cool boat for sure, the 5.25' beam though? definitely helps with the wetted surface but that cramped cockpit would be tough to live with.

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You could only invite close friends to come along for sure-

Joe