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After a few busy weeks at work finally had some time to go on whit the allu engine mounts hope to finish them in the next week , plan is to put engines on a 3 ft alluminium rail so we can shift whit them forth and back to find a sweet spot .
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Not saying this new rig isn't going to run mid 120s, but do realize that a 32DW is a much faster hull with the same power than a C306. I think this is a great project, and I'm looking forward to seeing the results! I agree with CapnDave, keep the pics and info coming! :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by MeCapnDave
Man you are doing it freestyle Armand! Good for you. Wish I could fabricate stuff and had your shop here. Looking forward to your next visit to the US or maybe the wife and I can come see you somtime.
Rayzor , We will see what happen It doesn t have to go mid 120 , I want to have a light weight easy to tow cat that handle some nasty water we can get here on the inland lake most of the time will be cruising from town to town and there are not many 100 + mph boats here so probably she will be one of the fastest if some one want to try :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
like you say we will see what happens when ready and play whit some propshaft heights and weight distrubition .
One way or another we will get a beer somewhere together ! You and your wife are more then welcome here as well !Quote:
Originally Posted by Baja170
I think you're putting together a great rig! I originally wanted to put small blocks in my Skater 30, but to achieve the speed I wanted (150mph), the only way small blocks could attain that was if they were race gas motors that would require lots of maintenance. If you're not chasing crazy mph #s, your setup is going to be better than a pair of big blocks. Please weigh your motors, complete with motor mounts, ready to drop in the boat (no headers), as I'd like to see the actual difference in weight from my 588ci Sterlings. I weighed the motors before they were put in the boat, complete as you see in the attached pics, and they weighed 801 #s apiece. And my 30 complete, dry, weighed 6,850 #s before it ever had fuel in it or hit the water. If your rig is under 7,000 #s when it's complete and has an honest 650hp aside, it should run past 120mph pretty easily. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bor
Thx Razor ! I m always a big fan of your boat and wanted a 28 or 30 skater bad but could not afford one so now have this on whit a lot help from the builder to get me a deal on the first wrap around .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
Also really wanted the arnesons but had bought a set xr its allready so that s what I have and gonna use now unless I can sell them at a decent price ,that will give a few extra mph !
Weighing the motors is what I wanted to do just like you to see the difference in weight so we can compare it whit the bb and sb marine engines . also gonna try to weight the bare hull so we know what that weight before we put anything in and of course the final dry weight when ready !
Unfortunely I will be arround 500- 550 hp a side as I now have one stroked 406 ls engine that I used to run in my 21 v hull that push out 560 hp but want to swap cams to get rid of the reversion and can be quite arround the docks as thats a issue here in europe ,and the ls is really nasty I had people fall of the dock when started and it idle at 950 rpm even whit some silencers in it .
but we will see what she does !
Ill keep you guys posted
Those are a work of art. Absolutely stunning. Can't wait to hear what bor comes up with for weight. 801 is not bad for those bad ass power plants! Holy moly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
I wish someone would buy bor's sweet drives so he can get arnesons for the boat and get it as efficient as possible. His drives are brand new in teh original crates straight from Mercury Racing. Post of apic of them Armand. Maybe someone here will buy them.
Yeah your right Will ! There pics of the drives on the boat here !Quote:
Originally Posted by Baja170
but have some of the boxes as well ! LOL !Attachment 348552
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so we had a long afternoon /evening of welding and finished the mounts so the next task is to get the rail on the right spot on the stringers and determ the bolt holes after that I will cut some pieces out so there become even lighter and better looking .
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i just weight my Engine whit all parts so its ready to go in the boat only not attached but put on top of it ! :))Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
it came out at 232kg = 512 lbs less headers but including the 22lbs heat exanger for closed Cooling
the bravo its set up is 116kg = 255 lbs
the. We have a drive shaft thats about 20 lbs so the propulsion package Will be about 800 lbs each Side
the empty hull is 3284 lbs so im curious where we come out in the end !
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my guess is 5,500 lbs turnkey (no fuel)
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Congrats, those motors are really light! Your motors are almost 300#s apiece lighter than mine, and your drives are about 70#s lighter apiece than mine (I believe my ASD 7s are 320#s with transmissions and steering). So your complete drive package is approximately 750#s lighter than mine, but I'm guessing your boat is a little heavier - Pete never weighed my bare hull, but he said he thought it weighed right around 3,000#s. Just doing a quick rundown of the #s, I'm going to guess that your complete rig will come in around 6,200-6,500#s, complete - ready for the water with no fuel. Mine is probably just shy of 7,000#s (weighed 6,800#s when it left Skater with no tie-bar or props on it). With the power you will have (hp/torque), I'd say you should figure your gear/prop/max rpm for teens. I think it's going to be tough for your setup to run 120+, but I'm pretty certain it'll run better than 110. You always want to start on the conservative side when building a new combination - it's better to be able to over spin your gear/prop combination than to not be able to pull it if you start too tall. Just for reference with boats similar size/power - I know of two 32' Spectres and one 29' DCB in my area that all have 550-650hp aside (naturally aspirated Mercury and Ilmor powered boats) and all three are running between 116-122. You'll definitely be lighter, but also have less horsepower and torque. Keep up the good work, it's cool to see you doing something different - and with your own blood, sweat and tears! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bor
Well the nice thing about the LS series of engines is that they come with cross bolted main caps , large diameter cam tunnels that are way up out of the way of the rotating assembly , short pushrods and 15* large valve heads from the factory. Add a pair of Borg/Warner airwerks 62 or 66 mm hair driers and a mega-squirt gold box and it's easy to make 1000 HP on pump gas and over 1500 on a load of 110 .
Chaz= thinking it would scoot along pretty good with 3000 beans .... ;)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtRdu_w84Rk
That's funny Chaz...been following Nelson for a while. He's been at this for many years and knows his way around these LS motors.
Thats a freaking powerplant ! but no way that would fit in the engine bay !:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaz
Then I'm sure your familiar with the "sloppy mechanic's" series of video's as well ... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
No room in a Corvette engine bay either , that's why they hang em ten feet away under the rear bumper .... :DQuote:
Thats a freaking powerplant ! but no way that would fit in the engine bay !:cheers:
Just food for thought in case you wake up one morning and think making twice the power seems like something you feel like doing ... :thumbsup:
We have some work done , on side the engine rail is ready and mounted for a test fit .
the other side we have measured and gonna. Do some adjustments to make the other side fit properly we have made the rails so that we can move the engine 5" either way to the front or back .
now we can make the shafts on the correct length .
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Thanks for the update !!! A lot of us over here are looking forward to seeing her fly !!!
Works progressing nicely. I recommend using Architectual Angle, not Structural. 4'' x 6'' x 1/2'' works great for just about everything, stringer mount related. It comes in 20' sticks.
Hey Armand, Any updates??? Hopefully you've been busy putting this all together !!!
Hey Captain !Quote:
Originally Posted by MeCapnDave
Yes very busy but also whit other things beside the boat as we need to keep funds coming !
We have finished up the second set engine mounts and put them in and drop down my engine i allready have and the test fitting engine to see if it all work out like we thought it would , also have ad some weight to the test engine so weight is same as engine that is complete and put on the drives transoms ,props ,tie bar and drive lines in the boat .
after that we lifted her on one sling to see where the cg point ( got the info from Dough ) is on this moment so we can shift weight whit all other parts that have to be mounted like trim pumps , batteries sea strainers ect .
Now busy selling my old headers as they are to high and ordering new ones from imco and sea strainers and other rigging parts so we can go on whit that , also looking into the fuel set up where to place the low pressure pumps , catch tanks and high pressure pumps and filters
well thats about it sir !
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Originally Posted by bor
A bit later then planned but still worth it I think , I found a set of my always wanted Arneson Asd 7 M drives ! :thumbsup:
After a week of thinking if I would go that route because we have to fill the notch change the engine mounts and fill the holes that I made for the bravo s again we will throw away a lot of work !
But as it was first my idea to build my dream boat whit those drives and ls engines to get a bulletproof lightweight efficiency boat I pulled the trigger !
So we are back to start again !
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Very nice hardware you got there!
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A Little update as we now had to start over basicly , we have put the Boat upside down so we can work on both sponsons and Also do it much easier this way .
we made a Mold of the last 1.5 ft of the running surface so we have exactly the shape to fill the notch and Also make the running surface longer .
now the Molds are done we make inserties to put in that Will give us water ramps that provide the cool water to the transom mount pick Ups .
i hope we Will be able to start making a product next weekend and have Those ready to put in the notch end of this month because when this is done we can shape it And turn it back again to start On the Inside to build up The coring and Inside laminate and stringers so we are Back where we start of !
I was in Maastricht a couple weeks ago but didnt have enough time to come see you. I was gonna catch a train to Amsterdam. That is a lot of work to change directions but you'll love the Arnesons !! Keep the updates coming !!!
Dave , then You was pretty close ! Should have been fun to See You here but im sure we can make that happen another time and hopefully the Boat is finished by then so we can take it out or at least You can see here finished as now it look worse then The last time You saw it !Quote:
Originally Posted by MeCapnDave
If You ever Fly to AMS and have a Little time give me call as I m only 10 min from there i can always pick You up even if it would be for a Hr or two .
Well it’s been a long time and a lot of work but the notches are filled whit waterramps build in inside all coring and stringers build back in .
boat is now I paintshop to completely being redone inside and out after that we can put back all rigging and windshield and start where we left a while ago
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Nice work bor .... "Looking Good"Quote:
Originally Posted by bor
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Thx nice pair for getting those pics right side up !
Is this the same boat that was at Miami Boat Show 2yrs ago.
I think it was three years ago-yes.
Joe
Yes it’s was Ron in 2016 , you gave me a bunch of at advise at your work about electronics back then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Rigged
Man how time flies. Wish you the best!
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Awesome work
Please keep the pics coming
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Finally ready for paint , all epoxy primer sanded down , cockpit floor have new anti slip as Original had to sanded down to get adhesion , side gun whale have new paint and clear over the carbon and is all covered up so painter can walk in the cockpit to spray the dashboard and rest of the cockpit
Get here cleaned inside and out to get to the paint booth
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