Tricks that old racers get up to after retirement

Did a forage run to the scrapyard today——- needed some stainless tube etc. Haven’t got back into a routine yet. Still a bit lethargic, overweight and trying to forget all the very old people on the cruise.
Son Mark is coming over for a weeks vacation on Thursday——— might get a chance to talk quietly this trip, he’s been building that boat of his for the last seven years ! We never seem to have time together.
Had a swift five minutes FaceTime with him last week——- he was up at Fountains for two days, I didn’t ask what that was all about, he just said Benny and Reggie sent their regards.
As Scarlet told Rhett———- tomorrow is another day!

[QUOTE=Bob V;3044292]Jackie.....Bottom line is that we were all spoiled by the "symmetrically perfect" design of the inline 6 and nothing will ever look quite as right is the tower of power. Powerabout is spot on that these engines today look like something out of a transformer movie and that is why the transformer generation is laying out exorbitant amount of money to have them. They are butt ugly, but nevertheless, they are selling. Myself, I will always be stuck in the BP, Super BP, Twister 1, Twister 2 generation.

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Sorry Pilgrim , who the hell is Elle McPherson ? Must be way after my time !
Sounds like a Scottish Nanny!

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But her Father in Law was a POWERBOAT Racer!!!


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"Ex-father in-law", Don Soffer didn't race boats. His son Jeff did though. I remember when very spoiled little Jeffy used to ride in on his bicycle every day, into every boat shop on N.E. 188th Street, and talk his talk, that kids like him were full of. At the age of 18, just graduating high school, his dad built little Jeffy a beautiful new ultra modern offshore boat showroom & boat dealership at the Loehman's Plaza property, at the entrance of N.E. 188th Street. Amazing, huge all glass building, with a complete Mercury & MerCruiser Hi-Performance franchise & service center, Cigarette franchise, etc. No money was spared on the buildout. The name of the new business, was Champion Marine. A few short years later, when Jeffy outgrew it, and lost interest in it, it was completely torn down & redeveloped.

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Jackie.....Bottom line is that we were all spoiled by the "symmetrically perfect" design of the inline 6 and nothing will ever look quite as right is the tower of power. Powerabout is spot on that these engines today look like something out of a transformer movie and that is why the transformer generation is laying out exorbitant amount of money to have them. They are butt ugly, but nevertheless, they are selling. Myself, I will always be stuck in the BP, Super BP, Twister 1, Twister 2 generation.

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Great lines, my ( late) dad worked at Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation at the end of the war where they built 200 of them.
and one special..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_CA-15

PS Elle has had a few father in laws.

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Sorry Pilgrim , who the hell is Elle McPherson ? Must be way after my time !
Sounds like a Scottish Nanny!

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She's not before your time Jackie. She was one of the most popular super-models of all time. You name the magazine, and she was on the front of it 400 times. You could not have missed her. Her nickname was: "The Body". https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/73...b2cb6ffb0e.jpg

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she likes boats https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/f...iend-Roger.jpg

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Still good looking as an older gal...https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.c...=all&strip=all

shes 52 in that shot

How the hell did I come to miss that one Fugi ?
Honest to Murgatroyd——- I have never come across the lady. I’ll admit to her having a fair body, nice legs and middling boobies, but it’s the “Slapped arse look” that don’t appeal much to me !
I have granddaughters that would give her a run for the money !
Nah ! I still think they will have to come up with some special Judy to beat the likes of RITA HAYWORTH——-AVA GARDNER——KIM NOVAK——GRACE KELLY——-damned if any of today’s anorexic supermodels ever gave me a hard on !
For the first time in years I’m laid low with some sort of bug—— coughing and sneezing——- sore throat, aching ribs, thumping headache and no appetite——— been confined to bed——— iPad is the only thing I’m allowed. So, bring it on Pilgrim——Fujimo—— Lasse———- Bobby V, let’s get into it and have some “DIALOGUE”.

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Must be be worse than I thought——- Murphy came to keep me company, plus, for the first time in 25 years, I get to have breakfast in bed !
Strawberries and cream to wash down the medication——- mug of Twinings English Breakfast tea.
Every chance I might get a bacon sandwich in a minute, hows that for getting spoiled rotten ?

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Jackie.....Bottom line is that we were all spoiled by the "symmetrically perfect" design of the inline 6 and nothing will ever look quite as right is the tower of power. Powerabout is spot on that these engines today look like something out of a transformer movie and that is why the transformer generation is laying out exorbitant amount of money to have them. They are butt ugly, but nevertheless, they are selling. Myself, I will always be stuck in the BP, Super BP, Twister 1, Twister 2 generation.

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. JOLLY OLD “MALIBUSTANG”——- got one of those under the bench in the workshop Gene, fourbladed prop and all the bells and whistles——— might have to forage around a bit, but it’s in there somewhere!

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Right, that’s it for now——- the duchess just brought in the thousand mile an hour aspirin——- told me to close the iPad and sleep!
Im done for a while——- talk amongst yourselves——-I’ll be back in a while !

That’s better——— had a good fortywinks——- shower and clean underpants—— nearly good as new.
Coughing like an old kitchen stove. Willabee’s going to yell “far too much information” when he comes back from church. If you don’t like the chapter, then you shouldn’t be reading the book.
Never did get a bacon sandwich this morning——— although there was a “farty” egg sandwich for lunch. This consists of hard boiled eggs mashed and thrashed with mayonnaise———- guaranteed to give you Olympic winning farts !
Killed the general knowledge Sunday crossword over lunch——— the kitchen goddess loves that part of the weekend.
Looks like all the old farts have gone for communion this morning——-even the Pilgrims gone quiet, well it is Sunday morning and folk got better things to do than listen to another old farts ramblings.
Ill give it a couple of hours, if nobody comes out to play I’ll close it down until tomorrow.

Seem to have lost half a day into cyber space——- pretty sure there’s a few more gleanings than are showing here. Where are the geniuses when you need ‘em ?

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"Ex-father in-law", Don Soffer didn't race boats. His son Jeff did though. I remember when very spoiled little Jeffy used to ride in on his bicycle every day, into every boat shop on N.E. 188th Street, and talk his talk, that kids like him were full of. At the age of 18, just graduating high school, his dad built little Jeffy a beautiful new ultra modern offshore boat showroom & boat dealership at the Loehman's Plaza property, at the entrance of N.E. 188th Street. Amazing, huge all glass building, with a complete Mercury & MerCruiser Hi-Performance franchise & service center, Cigarette franchise, etc. No money was spared on the buildout. The name of the new business, was Champion Marine. A few short years later, when Jeffy outgrew it, and lost interest in it, it was completely torn down & redeveloped.

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Sorry Fuji--I am old enough to have raced against Don S.

In fact I remember him breaking an arm in a 'Monza' ---- a boat built by my 'Ex Cousin-in-Law (Twice removed)' Steve W.

Go for it Gene——-dontcha just love it when you know somebody got it wrong—— especially when you know better and can put them straight!
Funny how much clearer the mind gets once your over 87—— Only last week I remembered the coronation of George V1 around 1935/6—- got a day off school for that one———— and a porcelain mug with a picture of the happy couple !

[QUOTE=FUJIMO;3044454]"Ex-father in-law", Don Soffer didn't race boats. His son Jeff did though. I remember when very spoiled little Jeffy used to ride in on his bicycle every day, into every boat shop on N.E. 188th Street, and talk his talk, that kids like him were full of. At the age of 18, just graduating high school, his dad built little Jeffy a beautiful new ultra modern offshore boat showroom & boat dealership at the Loehman's Plaza property, at the entrance of N.E. 188th Street. Amazing, huge all glass building, with a complete Mercury & MerCruiser Hi-Performance franchise & service center, Cigarette franchise, etc. No money was spared on the buildout. The name of the new business, was Champion Marine. A few short years later, when Jeffy outgrew it, and lost interest in it, it was completely torn down & redeveloped.[

Champion Marine was a beautiful facility. One of our own was the General Manger-(Richie)

A few years ago, Doc and I were on the ramp at ASE---Doc was talking to Jeffry, welcoming him as a new neighbor to STARWOOD;

I was admiring his new CHALLENGER. Jeff said 'that's not mine, they (Bombardier) are just letting me use it till they complete my new GLOBAL'-----

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Put that in your pipe buster !
Who needs FECKIN TV or the “Trib” when you got the TRICKS thread on S&F ?

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...I am old enough to have raced against Don S.

In fact I remember him breaking an arm in a 'Monza' ---- a boat built by my 'Ex Cousin-in-Law (Twice removed)' Steve W.

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...Thats right. Forgot about that Gene. You remember who the Monza belonged to? It wasn't Don's I don't think(?) Jeff Soffer raced with Kaiser in his red Cougar Cat named "The Budweiser" for a year or two. It had turboed Chevy engines and although they ran quite a few races, never finished a single one.

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Champion Marine was a beautiful facility. One of our own was the General Manger-(Richie)

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...Yes, it was a really beautiful & well set-up facility. And all brand new. I remember everyone on 188th thinking...they worked there butts for years & years to build up all they're boat company's & property's...and the local rich kid turns 18 & just builds a state-of-the-art Mercury Hi-performance Offshore Sales & Service, in about a months time. A lot of resentment there. Yes, Richie Powers was the General Manager there. Made him an offer he couldn't refuse. They parted ways when Ritchie got an offer that was more fun. Ritchie is a great guy & friend.

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...Thats right. Forgot about that Gene. You remember who the Monza belonged to? It wasn't Don's I don't think(?) Jeff Soffer raced with Kaiser in his red Cougar Cat named "The Budweiser" for a year or two. It had turboed Chevy engines and although they ran quite a few races, never finished a single one.

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Yikes!! Nearly fifty years ago!!

i always thought it was Steve's--

Called MONZA MONSTER??

i remember asking Steve how many people working for him. His immediate answer--
'about half of them!!'

Was 1969 when I first met Ritchie—— GG had just been made head of Hi- Perf and I dropped a clanger by calling him Gary Garbage, he was not amused and blocked the ride Bill Steele had promised Don Ross and myself in Havasu.
There was nothing there except a bunch of constructors huts, tumbleweed—— and three hotels ! It was known as “SITE 6”——— Bob McCulloughs answer to Lake X.
Scottie won, and one of his prizes was a lakeside plot of land which he was asking a thousand dollars for——— Monday after the race you could have bought it for five hundred !
Mercury always rented a house for some of the crew——— Molly Ballou was den mother Husband Ken was always up to his fetlocks looking after the rigs.
You should have seen the housekeeper——— Jane Russel lookalike but with style!.
Angelo and Renato and the Rasini brothers plus half the Italian Federation and timekeepers were housed next door.
Omc had their own rental house in the next street——— seemed like there was only a few dozen houses been built at that time.
Thing I Remember most was how bloody hot it was during the day——- and how FECKIN cold it was when the sun went down.
James Beard was there—— got the idea to build an offshore wing—- “VOLARE” a very successful race boat——- but he always denied he got the idea from the “SWITZER”.
Deiter Schultze turned up with a boat of his own build——- he always gave a good account of himself wherever he raced.
Forgot to tell you—— I’m confined to bed again today——- had a bad night, coughing and spluttering—- her who sleeps next to me is well and truly pissed off at me——— there may be more posts on the “TRICKS” site. Later in the day !

Yeah Well, I can only stay in bed for so long before I get the “ItchyTwitchies”—— thought I might get a bit of info from UTUBE as to how the tests went with the 4*6 V8 ——- that’s a laugh for a start ! Ask a silly question like “How far does it go on a gallon of gas”? You’re bound to get an even sillier answer————- HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING .... ???Honest to Murgatroyd——- it’s on UTube!
Ok, so it’s quiet and vibrates gently——- feckinwell ought to —- it’s the price of a Caddi
How much does it weigh ? Reasonable request I thought !——— answer——- OH, ABOUT THE SAME AS A VERADO ! Now unless you are a walking encyclopaedia, you will have no idea what a VERADO weighs.
I would have thought that Mercury might just have done some testing in the USA or Even Canada——- But no———— guess where they tested——— Australia!!!
Next question “When can I take delivery of a new 4*6 V8 “?
Answer! Well get your order in early and with a bit of luck you could be looking at June or July ! In the old days, we would have said “ILL GET BACK TO YOU”
Doesnt this give you ulcers Bernie ? We were taught better than that——- something along the lines of “CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIP”
So I clicked on the RACING MERCURY DIESEL MOTOR , two stroke——- no, I am not kidding—— it’s out there on UTUBE ———- you want to know what a bag of nails in a tin bucket sounds like——- take a look and turn on the sound.
Just where and when and on which barn door are you going to race a MERCURY RACING DIESEL TWO STROKE .?
It must weigh a fair bit —— I got backache just looking at it !
Can I have a bit of dialogue here from somebody in the company who I sincerely hope can shoot me down in flames and tell Me I got it all wrong.
everybody gone quiet all of a sudden——— even the Pilgrim And Bobby V have gone on vacation?

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Yeah Well, I can only stay in bed for so long before I get the “ItchyTwitchies”—— thought I might get a bit of info from UTUBE as to how the tests went with the 4*6 V8 ——- that’s a laugh for a start ! Ask a silly question like “How far does it go on a gallon of gas”? You’re bound to get an even sillier answer————- HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING .... ???Honest to Murgatroyd——- it’s on UTube!
Ok, so it’s quiet and vibrates gently——- feckinwell ought to —- it’s the price of a Caddi
How much does it weigh ? Reasonable request I thought !——— answer——- OH, ABOUT THE SAME AS A VERADO ! Now unless you are a walking encyclopaedia, you will have no idea what a VERADO weighs.
I would have thought that Mercury might just have done some testing in the USA or Even Canada——- But no———— guess where they tested——— Australia!!!
Next question “When can I take delivery of a new 4*6 V8 “?
Answer! Well get your order in early and with a bit of luck you could be looking at June or July ! In the old days, we would have said “ILL GET BACK TO YOU”
Doesnt this give you ulcers Bernie ? We were taught better than that——- something along the lines of “CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIP”
So I clicked on the RACING MERCURY DIESEL MOTOR , two stroke——- no, I am not kidding—— it’s out there on UTUBE ———- you want to know what a bag of nails in a tin bucket sounds like——- take a look and turn on the sound.
Just where and when and on which barn door are you going to race a MERCURY RACING DIESEL TWO STROKE .?
It must weigh a fair bit —— I got backache just looking at it !
Can I have a bit of dialogue here from somebody in the company who I sincerely hope can shoot me down in flames and tell Me I got it all wrong.
everybody gone quiet all of a sudden——— even the Pilgrim And Bobby V have gone on vacation?

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Well Jackie: We could always go back to 1970 and put a 250HP oil cooled rotary as an I/O with no dog house in a boat. It only weighed 150 lbs and would out run a 327 Metc.

Life is a box of chocolates
Merc today is selling ( maybe more but I lost count)
300 Promax
300xs

300 Verado

300Pro xs
300R
300 SeaPro

v6 2s
inline 6 supercharged
v8 4s

For sure they will add rotary to see if that works if not a v8 where the bottom cylinders are 4stoke and the top 4 are 2 stroke.

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Well Jackie: We could always go back to 1970 and put a 250HP oil cooled rotary as an I/O with no dog house in a boat. It only weighed 150 lbs and would out run a 327 Metc.

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yeah Johnno—— But you didn’t ! You only thought about it——— I just went ahead and did it. Against all the odds, Took the flack, and what’d ya know——— forty years on, folk still remember.
Mine never failed to finish, except when I sank it in Amsterdam.
I remember Art Arfons picking up a turbine in one hand and saying “This has more power than a 427”
You don’t see many turbines these days———- seems everyone went with the V8/s.

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Life is a box of chocolates
Merc today is selling ( maybe more but I lost count)
300 Promax
300xs

300 Verado

300Pro xs
300R
300 SeaPro

v6 2s
inline 6 supercharged
v8 4s

For sure they will add rotary to see if that works if not a v8 where the bottom cylinders are 4stoke and the top 4 are 2 stroke.

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Agree with you on most things Pilgrim ——- no way will Mercury be stupid enough to try resurrecting the Rotory ! Bigger firms than them have tried and failed. Rolls Royce, Mercedes, NSU, Mazda, Suzuki and many more———- all bit the dust in the end——— you just don’t resurrect the dead without severe consequences.
Jesus wept——- V8/s with half and half ?
wont be long before every unit has its own desalination plant ———- saltwater to gasoline——— just piss in the pot as a catalyst ——- you realise we just screwed the Arabs!

More interesting is what engine F1 might use when and if Merc kill their homologation of the 2.5?
I reckon they should put E-tec injectors in the 2.5 and job done emission wise for years to come.

F1 is an enigma—— it’s been there, done that—— from run what you brung to three litres ( longest time of stability) then to one point five turbos——- you can’t please all the people all of the time !
Electric cars will have their day——- but if it doesn’t bring in the revenue it’ll die.
F1 is all about money——- regardless of—— it’s not a sport——- it’s a cash flow——- no even playing field——- just bleeding the sport to death no matter what!
Me, I’m just a bakers boy with ambition———- no way can I even pretend to know what your talking about Pilgrim———- e tech injectors in a 2*5 emmision jobs done ???

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F1 is an enigma—— it’s been there, done that—— from run what you brung to three litres ( longest time of stability) then to one point five turbos——- you can’t please all the people all of the time !
Electric cars will have their day——- but if it doesn’t bring in the revenue it’ll die.
F1 is all about money——- regardless of—— it’s not a sport——- it’s a cash flow——- no even playing field——- just bleeding the sport to death no matter what!
Me, I’m just a bakers boy with ambition———- no way can I even pretend to know what your talking about Pilgrim———- e tech injectors in a 2*5 emmision jobs done ???

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I am thinking the excuse for F1 boats will be the engine is not an emission engine so the fix would be to add BRP e-tec injection as they will run to 10k and extend the life of the lovely 2 stroke.

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I am thinking the excuse for F1 boats will be the engine is not an emission engine so the fix would be to add BRP e-tec injection as they will run to 10k and extend the life of the lovely 2 stroke.

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So basically what your saying is bastardize an F1 motor—- bits of everything from gear cases to mid sections and electronics ? Hey do think after that after sixty years in house fighting between Merc and OMC that this might not happen ?

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yeah Johnno—— But you didn’t ! You only thought about it——— I just went ahead and did it. Against all the odds, Took the flack, and what’d ya know——— forty years on, folk still remember.
Mine never failed to finish, except when I sank it in Amsterdam.
I remember Art Arfons picking up a turbine in one hand and saying “This has more power than a 427”
You don’t see many turbines these days———- seems everyone went with the V8/s.

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Jackie: This wasn't the 4 rotor race engine but a 100ci 2-rotor oil cooled ( ala Mazda) that we put in a I/O with a seat across the entire back. No dog house. We also had the same engine as an outboard and had a 23 ft. Wellcracft Cuddy cabin going 53 MPH. This was in 1970 when the biggest outboards were 100 HP and would run that type boat 35 MPH max.

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Jackie: This wasn't the 4 rotor race engine but a 100ci 2-rotor oil cooled ( ala Mazda) that we put in a I/O with a seat across the entire back. No dog house. We also had the same engine as an outboard and had a 23 ft. Wellcracft Cuddy cabin going 53 MPH. This was in 1970 when the biggest outboards were 100 HP and would run that type boat 35 MPH max.

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Was it ever the same Johnno ? Shoulda—- coulda—-mighta——- what if——-sounds as if you were heading in the right direction———- politics——- finance ?
Fairly certain Bedford Davey would have financed a whole new effort with a Seebold and a DFX but I was at the end of my racing career and slower than I was ten years previously.
I always knew we only just touched the fringe with the Cosworth.

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Was 1969 when I first met Ritchie—— GG had just been made head of Hi- Perf and I dropped a clanger by calling him Gary Garbage, he was not amused and blocked the ride Bill Steele had promised Don Ross and myself in Havasu.
There was nothing there except a bunch of constructors huts, tumbleweed—— and three hotels ! It was known as “SITE 6”——— Bob McCulloughs answer to Lake X.
Scottie won, and one of his prizes was a lakeside plot of land which he was asking a thousand dollars for——— Monday after the race you could have bought it for five hundred !
Mercury always rented a house for some of the crew——— Molly Ballou was den mother Husband Ken was always up to his fetlocks looking after the rigs.
Omc had their own rental house in the next street——— seemed like there was only a few dozen houses been built at that time.
Thing I Remember most was how bloody hot it was during the day——- and how FECKIN cold it was when the sun went down.
James Beard was there—— got the idea to build an offshore wing—- “VOLARE” a very successful race boat——- but he always denied he got the idea from the “SWITZER”.
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A memorable week, Jackie. Wasn't that your first trip 'Out West?'

Mr. Kiekhaefer was not there, which was unusual.

Billy Steele told us that Mr. Kiekhaefer had 'Retired'--

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