Tricks that old racers get up to after retirement

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Originally Posted by jackiewilson

The car boot sale at ford is on two days a week, Thursday and Saturday-----so I thought I would have a look and see if the "Detroit" was still there. It was, it turned over freely, but the fuel pipe was perished beyond a reasonable doubt. Plug lead was in a similar condition!
Asked the seller if he had ever had it running, was an emphatic no, on closer inspection, in my opinion, it hasn't been fired up since before World War Two .
Asked him what he would take for it at the death------the way you do--------he said £600, Come on sunshine, it was priced at £200 two days ago------------ah, but that was then !,,,,, -----I sadly shook my head and walked away--------they are amongst us!

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Glad that you checked that out. I was beginning to lose sleep over that little outboard. As you probably know, I restore small vintage engines and that looked like a good project. I was seriously considering having you to put the seller in touch with me. The fuel line and plug lead are not a big deal, but the price going up 3X in two days is beyond belief. Perhaps the seller is a descendant of Ebeneezer Scrooge...

Now I can catch up on my sleep. Thank you, Jackie...!!

One last bit of info on that motor Bob, does the maker "CAILLE " strike a bell with you?

Believe it or not , there was a little old single pot outboard in the scrapyard, I lifted it out gently, tried to turn it over, no luck, didn't recognise it, painted blue? Didn't have the camera with me, but I valued it between £5/7------ but then I'm generous to a fault---------all heart ?
Shan't be going back there for the next month or so-------but will take the Kodak with me next time!
Weather turned bitterly cold here------below freezing------White all over------dahlias died overnight!----Murphy stayed in all night------just hooked out the hot water bottle!

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Originally Posted by jackiewilson

One last bit of info on that motor Bob, does the maker "CAILLE " strike a bell with you?

Believe it or not , there was a little old single pot outboard in the scrapyard, I lifted it out gently, tried to turn it over, no luck, didn't recognise it, painted blue? Didn't have the camera with me, but I valued it between £5/7------ but then I'm generous to a fault---------all heart ?
Shan't be going back there for the next month or so-------but will take the Kodak with me next time!
Weather turned bitterly cold here------below freezing------White all over------dahlias died overnight!----Murphy stayed in all night------just hooked out the hot water bottle!

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I have never come across a "Caille" but when I researched it, it is surprisingly like the Detroit motor you found. It was also manufactured in Detroit by Caille Perfection Motor Company located at 1504 "Caille" Street in Detroit. It looks like Detroit and Caille were both operating at the same time in the same town. Perhaps a Johnson/Evinrude scenario...

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Bottom line is-----we found a tiny piece of outboard history in a corner of West Sussex. These things are still out there, just no telling where and when you're going to trip over the damn things !
Repaired the trailer for the COSWORTH------think I'll get it in the first suitcase ok------second tilting triple axle trailer, the one for the winged four pointer Puey should fit in there too.
On the last leg of packing---------should get everything packed tomorrow?

Reasons I asked about " callie" is ------there was a petrol tap and a small plate both bearing the name, deduce what you like Bob !

Adrenaline pumping a little faster this morning--------beautiful but cold morning-----I used to love Sunday, but that was when all the days were different--------before all the days were rolled into weeks and the weeks kinda slid into months then sneaked into years without me noticing .
Last time I checked, I was living the life of Riley and coming up forty years old-------felt quite pleased with myself as I felt no different to when I was eighteen--------stayed on that damn roller coaster until the conductor yells "eighty four"----- "all change"------ passengers travelling to onward destinations should check in at the hopeful hotel. All those that have reached your destination, check out now!!!
Anyone out there got a big ole flathead I can borrow for a month, if not I'll settle for a "Fanny Catcher" El Camino with a bench front seat.
Times they are a changing--------good name for a song DONTCHA think?

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Reasons I asked about " callie" is ------there was a petrol tap and a small plate both bearing the name, deduce what you like Bob !

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I was looking at a few other models of the Caille and noticed that on some of the models the prop is on the front of side of the lower unit and that it pulls rather than pushes. I an not an engineer, but in my way of thinking, with the mounting bracket on the top of the transom, the lever action that the motor would be exerting on the transom would tend to want to peel the transom off the back of the boat from the top down.

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For those who don't know, Caille is pronounced "Cale" - like in the sotck car racer Cale Yarborough.

So there you have-----I learned a little more, about a motor I had never even heard of!

That's Sunday over and done with------20 kilo in each suitcase ---------just put what I thought in case one--------tipped the scales at 25 k's--------second only weighed nine so I could take some stuff from number one ! Good news is, I got half a dozen sets of shorts, shirts, shoes and knickers, never had it so good.
Just got the shop to tidy up and make it look like it belongs to somebody--------only a few concepts never made it in the end.
Craig tells me the last offshore race is at Eagles Creek-------St. Pete's way I believe, same weekend as Tavares, if the GIECO team gets through Key West without incident, it means I get to play golf with Craig---------otherwise I could be looking for a partner.
Will be helping Mark set up shop on Thursday morning in Key West, but I'll take a wander down Duval in the evening-------I'll buy anyone a drink that comes up and says "Hi".

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Originally Posted by Bob V

I was looking at a few other models of the Caille and noticed that on some of the models the prop is on the front of side of the lower unit and that it pulls rather than pushes. I an not an engineer, but in my way of thinking, with the mounting bracket on the top of the transom, the lever action that the motor would be exerting on the transom would tend to want to peel the transom off the back of the boat from the top down.

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Bob The tractor (pulling LU) are VERY collectable race motors. They were usually faster back in the day BUT had very bad handling characteristics as they caused severe overstear at speed. Gary

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Originally Posted by Bob V

I have never come across a "Caille" but when I researched it, it is surprisingly like the Detroit motor you found. It was also manufactured in Detroit by Caille Perfection Motor Company located at 1504 "Caille" Street in Detroit. It looks like Detroit and Caille were both operating at the same time in the same town. Perhaps a Johnson/Evinrude scenario...

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Detroit and Caille were separate companies.

Caille made the first racing models in the US.

In the 1920's Johnson and Evinrude were separate competing companies with no common ownership

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That's Sunday over and done with------20 kilo in each suitcase ---------just put what I thought in case one--------tipped the scales at 25 k's--------second only weighed nine so I could take some stuff from number one ! Good news is, I got half a dozen sets of shorts, shirts, shoes and knickers, never had it so good.
Just got the shop to tidy up and make it look like it belongs to somebody--------only a few concepts never made it in the end.
Craig tells me the last offshore race is at Eagles Creek-------St. Pete's way I believe, same weekend as Tavares, if the GIECO team gets through Key West without incident, it means I get to play golf with Craig---------otherwise I could be looking for a partner.
Will be helping Mark set up shop on Thursday morning in Key West, but I'll take a wander down Duval in the evening-------I'll buy anyone a drink that comes up and says "Hi".

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Jackie - type in "Duval Street Web Cam" and there is a live feed from just outside Sloppy Joe's - runs 24 hours a day. So you can see what's going on in KW anytime you want to.

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1st piccy is of the Sh-thole that used to be my workshop. Crack-o-sparrer I'm out there rectifying that situation!
Next three shots are of stuff that never made it to florida-------the lake X tower------the gold cup------a couple of experimental sailing rigs I was hoping might just tickle somebody's palate. Maybe next year!

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Jackie - type in "Duval Street Web Cam" and there is a live feed from just outside Sloppy Joe's - runs 24 hours a day. So you can see what's going on in KW anytime you want to.

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Theres a bit of magic and wonderment about today's technology Bernie--------BUGGERED if I'm not going to stand in front of that camera and wave--------you never know, somebody in downtown Rarotonga could be watching?

You remember me bitchin and moaning about Greg the admin not putting all my posts together under the "jackiewilson" thread-------I'm still doing that cos nothing's changed!

Countdown to Tavares -----this time tomorrow and I'll be on the way to Gatwick.
Think I got most things done------if I didn't, there's always next year!
Think Mark might just have gotten the COSWORTH out of hibernation to take up to Lake Dora, he knows I would like to see it up there, near as much as I would love to hear it running again. Afraid the cost of a DFV in any guise is still prohibitive.
Am bringing a concept COSWORTH,complete with trailer to Tavares, will put it up for auction and see if anyone's remotely interested ?
Will bring the beloved I pad pro with me, just to keep in touch, I'm very much a newcomer to modern technology, and need further education in the art of "APMACNISTICS".

Well, it's 10:30 am here in England . Must be 5:30 am in florida and already the news is that Hilary will be the next president of the USA ---------how the hell that can possibly be is beyond me , have the polling stations been open all night?.
Maybe there's a modicum of truth in Trumps accusations of the ballot being "RIGGED".
How can you have a result when the polling booths haven't even opened yet?

Well, well, well, so ALL the pundits got it wrong--------Trump only went and did it-------but solo------against all the odds--------you have to admire the man-------and the American system.
At last America has someone who is not afraid to open his mouth and shout it from the rooftops the way it is---------white america finally found its voice!
If the politicians don't hogtie Trump, and his own party decide to back him all the way-----America will be greater still.
America, here I come, I want to be part of these historical celebrations ------sixteen hours and I'm there-------save some wine for me---------America, I LOVE YOU.

The new single market
Russia
Uk
Usa
Throw in a colonies and you have it all

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The new single market
Russia
Uk
Usa
Throw in a colonies and you have it all

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See what happens when you throw a pebble in the european waters and decide "enough is enough"----------we didn't get wiped out, much to the rest of the worlds amazement, and Obama telling us we could no longer have a special relationship with the USA.
Now the USA has decided its time for change, maybe other EU countries will take a look at what its costing them to stay in, Old Angela Merkel must be a very worried lady at this moment in time.
"THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING" -------good name for a song dontcha think Pilgrim?

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See what happens when you throw a pebble in the european waters and decide "enough is enough"----------we didn't get wiped out, much to the rest of the worlds amazement, and Obama telling us we could no longer have a special relationship with the USA.
Now the USA has decided its time for change, maybe other EU countries will take a look at what its costing them to stay in, Old Angela Merkel must be a very worried lady at this moment in time.
"THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING" -------good name for a song dontcha think Pilgrim?

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If you could write a song about that you should win a prize.
Yes the silent majority have finally stood up to say the socialisation of the world is a failure and also the other persons money has run out as we all knew it would.
I hope being politically correct becomes illegal as well
and low and behold grass becoming legal, Bob Zimmerman was on to something.
( I think the UK vote was for the same reason)

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If you could write a song about that you should win a prize.
Yes the silent majority have finally stood up to say the socialisation of the world is a failure and also the other persons money has run out as we all knew it would.
I hope being politically correct becomes illegal as well
and low and behold grass becoming legal, Bob Zimmerman was on to something.
( I think the UK vote was for the same reason)

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Very well said..

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Only in Key West-------some serious fanny catchers

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Look ok what Mark dragged down to Key West--------were also bringing it up to Tavares next weekend.
was surprised just how much interest there was in the old boat.
First thing to sell was the COSWORTH on its trailer. Next to go was the V8 Johnson on the long Velden.Hre ended the first day.

Jackie - I know that you have a good knowledge of the Cougar boats. I found the listing for what is "implied" to be Al Copeland's 50' Popeye's boat in Ft. Myers Florida. Being in Florida, perhaps Mark has some knowledge of this one?

This could be your next concept - Think large...:thumbsup:

http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/46042

Bob, I will get back to you tonight, right now I am taking a couple of hours off. The stand stays open till gone midnight-------or when the last customer leaves.
Let me make it clear that the COSWORTH and trailer i sold was the .."concept". As was the V8 Johnson and Velden.
Must get a couple of hours kip------I'm bushed!

Jackie, Put a box (make that big box) full of concepts in the Suburban today for the trip to Tavares on Wednesday. Will see you and the other duffers on Thursday. Anxious to see the COSWORTH again!! Thanks to Mark & Craig for bringing it to Tavares.

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Jackie, Put a box (make that big box) full of concepts in the Suburban today for the trip to Tavares on Wednesday. Will see you and the other duffers on Thursday. Anxious to see the COSWORTH again!! Thanks to Mark & Craig for bringing it to Tavares.

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Roger, Benny Robertson came by the stand tonight, brought back a lot of memories.
Have some saucy pictures with the Mercury Girls and the body painted ladies-------
Promise to catch up in the morning.
Benny wanted the Velden and V8------would've paid a big bag of gold for it. (he said).
Cannot believe just how many people were on the stand at any one time, all crowded round the COSWORTH and the table with all the concepts on display.

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Jackie - I know that you have a good knowledge of the Cougar boats. I found the listing for what is "implied" to be Al Copeland's 50' Popeye's boat in Ft. Myers Florida. Being in Florida, perhaps Mark has some knowledge of this one?

This could be your next concept - Think large...:thumbsup:

http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/46042

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Bood morning Bob, it's now Saturday morning, and after a good night sleep at last, I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed, just rarin to go.
First, let me give you my take on ALL aluminium boats -------they're nothing but trouble, and there never was one built that was any bloody good.
First one I came across was built for Bill Brown of COSWORTH'S--------this had a spare set of sponsons for "rough water" ----------- in the first place it never went fast enough enough to tell the difference between rough and smooth. It leaked like a sieve, -----and was ugly as a squashed tomato that had been chewed, spit out and trod on !--------Bill became known as "Billy Two Rivets"

Second waste of money was Renato's all alloy F1 effort which was a disaster, but he still managed to offload it to Allan Nimmo ( a very tight fisted Scottish dentist ) which marked the end of his career ? There was a lot of acrimony and unpaid bills------lots of fiscal letters, lots of threatened law suits and those kind of pleasantries.

Now we finally get to the cougar------they were innovators without a doubt, ticking along nicely long before the Bally ally effort-------think it was a far eastern project if memory serves me right. I don't think the proto. Was made public. Then there was a couple of multi seated toys either before or after the race boat. I can only remember the one but I may be wrong. By this time, Steve was working at Cougars so he could help . Should be seeing Stevie later in the day I'll ask him.

Last day working the stand ( Wilson Custom Marine ) thought I might bump into Serra, but as usual the little sh-ts hiding from me, he might have to buy me a drink--------short arms and deep pockets that little bugger--------don't worry Bert, I'll nail you in Tavares.

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To all ex Mercury drivers and employees , I have a question-------did any of you ever get one of these ? Provided by the company?-------if you did, then please don't tell me !

[QUOTE=jackiewilson;2907719]To all ex Mercury drivers and employees , I have a question-------did any of you ever get one of these ? Provided by the company?-------if you did, then please don't tell me !

Jackie - we had a few around the plant(s). Usually on a Friday night you could get some quality merchandise if you didn't mind dropping some serious cash over the bar in a local gin joint!

Bernie, would that have been Judy's Gin Mill ?

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If my mum saw me with a woman like that she used to say "You know where the Vim and the scrubbing brush are." but I'm sure she's lovely.

I just made damn sure my sainted mother never got within miles of any of my girl friends !
Back at Marks place in Stuart, unfortunately I'm crippled with either gout or arthritis in my left hand, it suddenly flared out of control two days ago and is not very pleasant at all. No way could I swing a golf stick, so I'll ride round in the golf cart and just look pretty ?
There were quite a few damn good looking ladies came on to the WCM stand to gaze at the COSWORTH--------also one or two dogs in high heels!
Serra was down in Duval, but he declined to say hello-------snotty little git. Still, he has offered to take me up to Tavares Thursday morning!
Miss Geico got bent out of shape a little on Sunday, so I don't know if Craig will,make the golf tourney, should find out today.

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Gives a whole new meaning to "BOTTOM PAINTED".

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This is why one can never say no to Ted Boyd-------I got a stiff neck looking up at him!

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Lizzie-------you can see already------that kid is going to be a whole bundle of trouble!

So Mark says to me------you did tell em we would like to bring the COSWORTH up to tavares er, no-----I thought you had--------well you'd better ask, because I don't want to tow it up there and just park in the street--------well best thing to do is get Cadillac to tow it up there------he has clout, and will probably get it in.
Such are the workings of noble minds?