Drag Racing in Ontario

[Fred Bozek]

Just a quick interest search.
Run what you brung drags.

We're in, who else is. Summer 2006

[rpm racing]

I would be in, and 4 other guys I run with would be for sure.

Make it happen....plan a event and people/boats will come.

[TACO]

..For you that could be Minnesota or farther. Race third weekend in July New Ulm Minn.

[AnthonySS]

I'm there and you can count on me to help organize.;)

And I can even work on Venue too;)

[P man]

Ive got nothing to race but would help in any way!!

[RBT]

sure count me in

[STV Dreamer]

Great idea and a topic that has been bounced around for a bit.....I'm in!

[Jeff "Yammer"]

I'm in .... Make it a short course !!! Then speeds will be down too !!!!!! But any length is good.

[RBT]

Ya Yammer is right, 700-800 feet ish

RT

[AnthonySS]

Its got to be attractive for all and not all guys are going to have budget for too many low pitched props on a short course.

anyway...we can work around all those details...like Fred said,,,interest first;)

[Riverman]

Ontario? Do you mean Kenora? If so, I'm in!:D

[Fred Bozek]

I will love to further speak of the idea at the TIBS and get some good input.


Thanks Anthony for the vote of asssitance, not sure what it will take.

I will rely on all your knowledge to pull it off as a group.
We will have to pick a date that is good, around other events.
Speaking of events, any scheduled yet for 2006???
Count us in for Lake of Bays. Maybe two days this time.
Sitting in my seat just alllows me to get everyones view to the burner.
Anyone with contacts for this type of thing please send me a PM

Thanks,

[Jeff "Yammer"]

The price of a low pitched prop far out-weighs the cost to insure the boat and/or the even if speeds are too high !! 700-800' is just right. Thats what we determined for the past years at the Rumble on the River and its crowd pleaser !!!!

Jeff

PS ... I would love to talk about this with you Fred.

[DoktorC]

A shorter course is better in many aspects...less chance of accidents, less chance of hurting your motor, and way more fun for the crowd - they can see the race from start to finish. I think its a fantastic idea!! It would be cool to see something other then a sled race all summer :).

[Fred Bozek]

Speaking of Sled races.

We are hosting a run for fun in Baysville from the marina FEB. 4 2006
Pre register with me and check in at 9am
Dinner and prizes to follow

[DoktorC]

Fred - What kind of run?

I have a question regarding the start of a boat drag race....how does that work? I once saw it described on a video but that was along time ago and it was top fuel hydro stuff (which may be different for all I know)....obviously it's alot more complex then other forms of drag racing..with that rope and all :).

[Jeff "Yammer"]

As far as for this type of Drags that would be going on I see three classes. (1)Open ( anything goes !!! ), (2)Non-Nitrous Pump fuel ( fuel you'd buy from the local station not pumped from a race track's fuel pump !!! ), (3) Only full interior boats with no less than 4 seats or Bass Boats ( maybe even some sort of motor rule or two to keep the guy with a feather light Allison/Bullet from cleaning house )
The start would be a heads-up two flag drop with the starting boat/barge operator ruling when to re-run those that jump the flag.
The whole set-up is and would be very easy to pull off .......... I've done it many times before in helping out at the Rumble on the River.

The only hard part is being allowed to hold it !!!!!!

Jeff

[I Am Canadian]

:confused: This stuff is all new to me guys, but I'd Love to help out,
if a hand or 2 is needed. :D

[AnthonySS]

Rick....starts are idle / in gear ...two boats entering the staging area (yellow light/flag) and it is your responsibiltiy to keep your boats even with one another as you idle in gear...once in the staging area, the green light (or flag) can flash or drop at anytime and you are racing ;)

[voodoos_rock]

Id be in but i only have a voodoo lol, my uncle would be in for sure tho

[Fred Bozek]

We have several Voodoo's up here, old style.

They would love to run too!
Good thinking.
Could do an hour of smaller hot rods, I would love to see that.

Saw a guy drop one in here, flew. WOW
That takes balls

[David]

If its not too far I would drag my Voo Doo to a drag race. Rick Conklin used to drag race my SS2000, but the XR4 on it now isn't enough for racing.

[AnthonySS]

CHRIS,



What does your post have to do with Drag Racing?

I would recommend you start another post with whatever it is you are trying to adress to Fred or just keep the politics off the board and between you and he.

[OntarioStreamin]

I guess Fred doesn't get it.

Your NOT Hydrostream... bud! :mad:
Use your own name! :mad:

Good work Chris ..
Expose this goofball ;)

[Trikki1010]

I see the USA version, sold in Canada, is coming thru the back door.... :rolleyes:

I DO know that that name is registered in Canada, to John Spaeth ;)

Anthony and Yam - I'd be interested coming up to drag for chits and giggles :cool:

Anything but passenger again :eek: :eek: :D

(No offense Sean, control thing ;) )

[Trikki1010]

I would recommend you start another post with whatever it is you are trying to adress to Fred or just keep the politics off the board and between you and he.

Hydro$tream U$A ha$ $ome i$$ue$ to $ettle with John. That'$ not politic$

If you $aw $omeone adverti$ing your baby, you'd be hot too.... ;)

[RBT]

Fred, it is nice to see that within one year you have quickly brought yourself to the forefront of the A$$holes in the maine industry.... which is impressive considering the company.
You are stepping on some big toes in a very small industry. You knew exactly what you were doing when you stole John's company name ( or you are to stupid to recall the HSX ordeal ), and yet you decided to be a lieing snake.
I am sure any potential customers are going to be lineing up to enter into a business agreement with you......... I am sure the owner of Baysville Marina is going to love this also.

RT

[PHISH]

You guys ruined this thread. Is this what its like at a PBCC event?

And yeah, I know the history of Hydrostream, who doesn't... Its talked about once a month here.

Wow,,, I was actually getting hype about seeing some races...

[stv92]

Im in, for the drag racing.
East coast works for me.
I have STV, single seat, center steering with a 2.5efi offshore with a little work done to it. :D

Can we run racing fuel or is it going to be pump gas?

Keep me posted, always love to play with Canadians.
South is to far to travel, just to drag race.

Lets play, keep me posted

Jeff
[email protected]

[RBT]

Well, Matt, when you take someone who has been in the business over 30 years and it very well liked and respected, and you steal his name, the results won't be good.
Fred, is a new and won't be around long.

As for the PBCC, you will find all the members quite personable, knowledgeable, and a pleasure to be around. You will also find that some of us are loyal to those that have earned there respect.

RT

[RBT]

STV92, Bring it set for kill..... you will need all you have!.

RT

[stv92]

Let me know when & where.

Surprise, I dont think you guys have seen this one?
She turns over 9000.
Was raced by GW Carboni in Alabama.Won 1996 high points :rolleyes:

Sounds like a great bunch of toys.

See ya soon
Jeff

[RBT]

Good!
There are some VERY quick boats here.
THe more the better.

RT

[stv92]

Are you guys running weight classes ?
What type of classes are you running?

Whats in the pot :rolleyes:

Where is everybody racing?

[Riverman]

Exactly where will these races take place? I want to look it up on the map, maybe do some planning......:cool:

[rpm racing]

Jeff, keep in touch. Even if this organized drag racing does not get put together there will be a lot of very short distance side by side running in our area this summer. You should come and run your boat.

[AnthonySS]

RM,

Plan on an event in the Muskokas and the Kawarthas

[rpm racing]

Are you guys running weight classes ?
What type of classes are you running?

Whats in the pot :rolleyes:

Where is everybody racing?

the weight class is "as light as you can get it" There is one guy that will wait to drop a load before he runs to try to save some weight.

Whats in the pot.....hopefully some beers for me.

I don't know where the race would be if something is organized, but we run every weekend on lake Muskoka (about 4-5 hours from you)

[Riverman]

RM,

Plan on an event in the Muskokas and the KawarthasAnthony, any cheap motels in that area? I think it is quite ritzy in that area, no?

[RBT]

It can't be that Ritzy, they let me hang out there!

RT

[stv92]

Let me know dates, I can book ahead of time.
Do they have pits for the week end to park motorhome & 32ft enclosed trailer?

Keep me in mind:
Im also looking for a 2.4,2.5 efi belly pan for a 30ft cat with three 2.5s.
New project Im working on, but cant find a BP :(

STV is complete ready to run :D
Just needs fuel & a place to run. :)

[RBT]

Try Paul Kryskow at TopGun, 905-775-0862

RT

[AnthonySS]

Lets see if our pals from Quebec win the pot we will surely have a case of Laurentide for ya ;)


If the trophy stays in Ontario...it will have to be Keith's

Two classes over 3500# and under....that should keep us all about even;)

Sorry is LOB considered Muskoka...that's where Fred would organgize?

The Kawartha event would be on Rice Lake and there are tons of cheap places to camp or cabin there including my yard:D

[stv92]

Thanks I may give him a call.
Dont sound like to many people love him ?

I call that politics & if it does not regard me, I dont want anything to do with it. We all have our own problems in life, my 2 cents.

Keep me posted
I am trying to post a picture of my ride, but doesnt seem to work.
Anybody good at posting pictures, send me your e-mail & I will forward it to you to post.

Thanks
Jeff
[email protected]

Does this mean I dont have to turn left :D

[STV Dreamer]

Not sure of weights or classes, but I know alot of guys will want to play. Not everyone can run in a class with Blake and RPM's top secret weapon...LOL

I think it will come down to who actually puts something together. Prize money and a trophy would be sweet. Could make it a 3 race series and entry fee of $25 per event....then winner in determined class takes all.

How does GPI set up his events? so all can enjoy.

[AnthonySS]

Maybe Brad can fill us in on the GPI events becasue he has participated.



Randy seems to do a good job and attracts a bunch... too boot.



I agree it has to be attractive for the Vector with 200 to the STV with MPP Engine and the flyweight too Lake Boat;)

When we ran our events most baots were around 1500# so it was easy

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Like I said before the easiest way to do it would be ......... Unlimited , then Non-Nitrous ( maybe a rule for a must of having at least two seats or something like that in the boat and run only "Pump" fuel. Compression test required at least but still easy to do ) and then a Lake boat class ( No-Merc drag motors and must have at 3-4 seats in the boat , or something like that )
You cannot weigh the boats so its a not practical to rule on that. You cannot tell what is done to a guys motor so you cannot rule on that either. I think it would be best suited that the club (PBCC) if they were going to run this make it as painless and easy to run and run in as possible. At the Rumble we made things pretty easy and it is a success !!!!!!!!!!! And still quite competitive too. I would devote alot of time for this if some one could get the Go-Ahead to plan and get this going.

Jeff

PS .... **** I'd run it two classes myself.

[ProComp]

and I'm not sure it will work for you guys. Really, the Minnesota meets are more about fun and participation in racing then who is actually the fastest. The acception to that is the unlimited where anything goes.

If I recall, the entry class was where my Euro with stock 245 Carb ran along with boats like HST's, Grandsports, V-21's etc. ie heavier Lake boats.

The second class was the lighter boats like the RiverRockets, SS2000's, Allison Bassers, Venom etc.

Last class was the unlimited - light lake boats, drag motors etc.

At Barefoot Bobs there was enough interest for a 4th class consisting of heavier Bass Boats, Big Streams like the New Vegas, older Voyager, Checkmates and Bajas. Heavier boats with fishing motors. Ask these guys, they had a blast.

There is obviously some overlap and boats were allowed to run different classes if they wanted however they were propped as a handycap.
For example, in the heavier lake boats class, one guy ran an SS Allison with a 28P prop where the HST guys were able to run 22-24's.

To be honest, in my opinion, the only class where the fastest boat wins is unlimited. The rest of the classes are all propped to keep in close and make it fun. Its kind of like Nascar. Make the boats close and let the driver win or loose the race.

Anyway, thats my take. Its a lot of fun and worth the effort.

Someone or a group of individuals will have to take responsibility for the grouping and in some cases prop selection as RP has done in Minnesota. All races are usually a boat length a part.

[AnthonySS]

Jeff's STV . Looks like Paul B's old one

[AnthonySS]

another

[AnthonySS]

THANKS Brad;)

[STV Dreamer]

Well before we get Airpacker on here breathing fire about insurance.....I don't know if it will be PBCC involved as much as originally thought. BUT, I'm sure alot of the PBCC members are willing to play and help.

I ran into a guy at the DBL R party and he has some good ideas on how to POSSIBLY get insurance and ways to get around it. So, this can and will happen if "WE" as a bunch want it too.....comes down to can we advertise and promote it or do we keep it amongst ourselves....outlaw style. Eitherway, classes and rules still need to be decide.

Imagine if we could get a few events in the first year and a couple of hundred $$ up for grabs :D

[stv92]

Thanks for posting the pics.

If I put a back seat, it would be a two seater, then I can run as a lake racer. :D

The boat came from Dadeville Al. I bought it in 97 & brought it to Canada.
Love to play with the local boys & bass boats that run 100+ ;)

Insurance? This is the big challenge.
Outlaw racing, case of beer, thats a plan :cool:

Im in

[RBT]

Anthony, STV92's boat is similar to Pauls old boat. Although, if memory serves the dash was white on his old one. But I could be wrong... at the bare minimum, the cosmetics are different...... but damn close.
I do recall Mr. Carboni racing. I think it is pretty cool that 2 of these rare Pro Comps are in Canada, not a lot were built.
I personally agree with Yammer, the Rumble rules and setup are really really good. There was is very close racing every year at the Rumble.
Also it has been suggested that the course be short.... I would like to bring that up again..... no 1/4 passes, more like 800 feet. Speeds for the big dogs are over 100 which is plenty fast enough.
Outlaw is easy....... we do that every weekend!, the more the better, the more formal the better. Bottom line is, this can be done.

RT

[STV Dreamer]

Ted had a very similar unit at his shop a couple of years back....was red also w/2.4 BP.....8-9K if I remember right. That was when i started thinking something different than my Procomp.

[stv92]

I agree, this one is rare & still in great shape, except for some stress cracks on the deck (one big one, when I hit a duck :eek: ) Not my fault, he wouldnt move & I was moving to fast to turn :o

Weighs almost nothing, thin sides & front bottom.
Top, cant walk on it anywhere. (fun getting in&out)
Original paint, never stayed outside or in the water overnight.

I do not know anybody that has one like mine. ?

GW Carboni raced in the ADBA for many years, until 1997. He retired.
Raced mine until 96, then ran a Quarter Master for a year.
Which was not as fast as the STV :D

See you all soon :)

[RBT]

PaulB, who posts on this board had one just like it, it was raced in the DSRA. Anthony might have some pictures, as might I, I will have to look. It was sold and went to quebec somewhere.

RT

[RBT]

here it is

[stv92]

I know its not mine, but would love to see it.
Pics, pics, :cool:

[AnthonySS]

Paul B...even had a red Tandem like Jeffs'

Opps...RT beat me to it;)

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Before any one looks into insurance and so on ............. you need to know what you want.
Who will run this ? ( PBCC or a new group , either is fine for me. Or a new group within the PBCC )
Who is going to set the rules ? ( A panel of people that have experience and no set/hidden agenda )
Rules being : Classes, course length ( should be no more than 800' for both safety and fans ) ladder format ... etc etc !!
Like I said if you/we ( if I'm involved ) need to have something ready to present to people if we want this thing to go forward. Lets get it figured out and go with it. If it works out then good, if not .... hey we tried and can always do our own Outlaw Drags under the same rules !!
Less talk more action !!!! ......... I'm ready to get back into something again and this would be something I'd be interested in for sure. RBT will help also !!!! :eek:

Jeff

[LikwidCourage]

Like a hooker at a free clinic. Sounds like a great idea. Well worth an entry fee. It would be good to go up against some other low budget guys, and make em faster. Too bad about the thread smashing, none of my business, thank god, cant afford the lawyers as it is. Now if Dreamer would let me try and maybe buy his 260 phead, I may actually run. Does anyone operate an outboard leasing company?

[RBT]

well said Yammer!

[stv92]

She looks close, but not mine. (almost looks newer)
Trailer, the same one.

Mine is Marked on the back inside transom. Raceboat by STV.
NOT COAST GUARD APPROVED :D

Also may help, the boat has no serial numbers?
That was fun when I cleared it with Canadian Customs.

I know the deck is lower then any I have seen.
This should be fun :rolleyes:

[AnthonySS]

Excellent...Jeff and Rob get my votes to head this up...All in Favour????:)



Certainly you can count on me for support too.;)

[RBT]

LikwidCourage, sorry about the thread ( sorry to others also ), but when you have a person that is using the people around him to selfserve his own agenda while hurting (stealing) a staple in our community, people tend to get upset. The sooner Fred is disgaurded the better.

RT

[stv92]

Im in, and have no problem paying entry fees.
Its all part of the game.

Maybe we can run a race in Quebec :cool:
I would be more then happy to help, anyway I can

Jeff

[Trikki1010]

LikwidCourage, sorry about the thread ( sorry to others also ), but when you have a person that is using the people around him to selfserve his own agenda while hurting (stealing) a staple in our community, people tend to get upset. The sooner Fred is digaurded the better.

RT

Well said Rob :cool: :cool:

Pardon me too boys

[STV Dreamer]

You guys have been to more drags than me and looks like the lenght and rules are pretty clear.....work the classes and "Git 'er dun"!

BTW, I already have a way cool name :D

Comitted to starting.

[Rampager]

if you set the course to start 3' deep, gradually getting shallower till the logjump at the finish line I am IN
:)
A gravel bar at halftrack could also proove very exciting for the spectators ;)

[AnthonySS]

Ok Rich...share the name with us for our Drag Club;)

[Bogman]

Whats the name Rich??

Liquid...if you get a 260 I won't have anyone to race except the paddle boats :o

STV92...It would be hard to find parking with our rigs in tow on Creasent st, but it does sound fun :D

All sounds very cool, Ive never been to a race but would love to go. I hope you guys pull this off...

[Jeff "Yammer"]

I need to know if the PBCC is willing to be a part of this or not !!! Will some one try the PBCC's insurer to see if they would cover 3-4 races for this year. And how much it would cost.
Airpacker I understand your position but we need to try and there can be no harm in trying. If the PBCC wants no involvement with this then we/I need to know ASAP . You and your directors need to talk about this ASAP.
Why hasn't Anthony said anything about this with regards to the PBCC's involvement ? Is he still the president ?
RBT .... Call me ASAP so we can figure this out if you want to help trying to get this going.
We need a rough estimate on boat count and where do we get them from ? HHmm the PBCC sounds like a good start. Heck even 4 boats per class isn't hard and yes its small but its a start.
Would be nice to see a few big mouth's "School'd" too ........... What some think they know is not even close to being enough !!!! :eek:
The "Lake" class would be the most fun of all ...... and be the most popular too ..... !!!!!

Please let me know ASAP where we/I stand with my questions.

Jeff

[Jeff "Yammer"]

I would expect that my boat would not be covered by my insurer while involved in a race. Thats pretty standard I think.

Jeff :)

[AnthonySS]

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I’ll let Sean confirm this, but I am not sure our Insurer is in the business of insuring race events. We have looked into 1 day event insurance for some of our PBCC events and they have been in the several Thousands of dollars range. I suspect it would be no less for a race event.<o:p></o:p>

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In 1997-98, when we first went drag racing, We did it through the CBF. In order to have our own class (o/b drags in this case) CBF deems, you have to have a boat club affiliation. So in our case, we used PBCC as the affiliated club. Then you also had to have a racing license and insurance through CBF.<o:p></o:p>

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The benefit of being associated with CBF (then) is that we had insurance through thier Insurer and we had races to attend with prize money. PBCC had no liabilty.

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So for the cost of PBCC membership and a CBF Membership and Insurance (about $200.00) , plus you had to pay for each day of racing, about 100 for the weekend.<o:p></o:p>

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[Jeff "Yammer"]

SS ... Thanks for the input. I would like to know more of this and how to get the ball rolling. It would be nice to have a bit of a meeting ( and a beer ) while talking about this. You , me , Twible .... and any one who has REAL interest in this. I'll let you know soon ... Thanks

Jeff

[AnthonySS]

Yep JEFF no problem...once we get some snow....invite RT up to the our lake for sledding and you guys ( I got no sled) can scoot over to my place and yes we can meet and have a few Keith's. We are in Harwood now just a 1/4 mile up from the lake.



I still want to talk to Bill K. too casue he can also be instrumental at getting this done

[AnthonySS]

See look they still have a spot reseverd for us...we should try and fill this page up by the end of 2006.;)





http://www.cbfnc.ca/english/outboard_drags.htm

[AnthonySS]

I forgot one other thing...

Through CBF...you also require a physical from your Doctor...that should not be a problem for most of us:D

Just talked to Bill and he gave me some direction....he advised that another Rice Laker is the PR guy for CBF....I'll make a few more calls...soon ;)

[STV Dreamer]

That site is awesome...there is no reason we can't become apart of CBF. Hell, they have sanctioned jet boat races in the Praries.

I saw atleast 5 dates for outboard in relative short distance in Ontario that would work.

What are you waiting for Anthony..........PULL THOSE STRINGS MAN :D

P.S Thanks.....now I want a Hydro....they are sweet.

[LikwidCourage]

Those guys always seem to have some pretty fast rigs!! Always at least 70 + (on the speedo). We'll just calibrate a vintage radar to read 10mph faster than they're really going, it would help bring the membership costs down. I garantee youd have hundreds of registrants! But then again, do we really want them at the after party! j/k my girlfriend rides one, point made. Where exactly and on what lakes would make for good venues for shore and boat traffic, just curious what the experts have in mind? I think it was Muskoka and Rice that were mentioned, but what areas.

[LikwidCourage]

Rich, I just came from Steffen Engine in Oshawa, he built a motor for a 66 Nova I had. He races in the Can-Am Class, but not last year. He has a flat bottom and a couple motors, a 572 makin 1100hp. 130'smph on a good day. He is selling everything, who needs a motor? Rumproaster?

You should buy the package, youd be my hero?

[STV Dreamer]

TY for the heads up Matt.

Might as well be your hero......I'm already Monica's :D :D

[Rampager]

1100 Hp in Xerophobic? Nahhhh then i'd be as fast as you guys AND be jumpin logs and runnin the skinny water and you'd ALL hate me
lol

[DoktorC]

This sounds like it's shaping up nicely!! If you've got a fat lakeboat, fishin' mota class..I'm in!! I'll even bring my 70 mph waverunner for Likwid :). Whomever is organizing you've got my help for setup or an extra set of hands or whatever, just let me know.

[Bogman]

Rampager...

Thanks for the video, when you go on one trip without incident maybe then I'll take you up on that way faster ride :p in the meantime keep that footage coming looks like you're having some fun :D

Dan

[Rampager]

Did the DVD work ok? thats mark 4 and its waaaay better than the first 3 which gave us problems
You saying you want an uneventful ride? Hmmmmm, not too sure I know what those are, its ALWAYS an adventure...... :)
Yes I am having a blast and Im about to undertake a serious pump overhaul/blueprint, get the jet working how it needs to to get that hull to really start packing some air. This years project is top speed. I already know how to jump logs and bash rocks lol
Cheers

[AnthonySS]

Just a quick update to advise that discussions with CBF have begun and there is interest on thier part.

I will be meeting soon with them and I will advise what I find out and what we need to do next.

ALSO I found a bunch of my old documents on waht we did in 1997-98 which will be helpful...

and just as a side note it may be in our best interests to look into aquiring a racing lisence thru APBA which able us to particiapte in both APBA and CBF events.

Are there any APBA experts on board that can assist?

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Anthony .... let me know if you need any help in setting any of this up or even need some one to head this up along with you. My offer to help still stands ..... :)

Jeff

[AnthonySS]

Yeah.. Thanks Jeff...appreciated, we'll talk;)