Diesel Power for the Ford guys

[REBEL]

Heres a good one for all you powerstrokers :eek:
www.willburns.com/Hookin.mpg

[Airboater]

I used to do that in my younger days :D they actually have pull events down here and a little toyota with Mickey Ts and a V6 pulls a lot of the big boys but the baddest ones are older gas burners with big hp motors.

[The Big Al]

Seems the Ford did not have 4x4 working. And had no trackion, no power, and could not drive.


Give to the Dodge!!!


LMAO!! ( I do hate it)

[150aintenuff]

amatures.......Ill hook up to that dodge ANY DAY.. the ford never wound up first.. the dodge did..

[Ted Stryker]

I think that is more of a competition of weight and tires, not power...

[david martin]

Got a question
Are both these trucks running sticks or automatics if they are running opposite trannys who has the granny gear?,also are they both turbo charged?,looks to me that it took the dodge a moment for a turbo to kick in.Did this ford have a turbo?
For the record I like both trucks but that ford had no chance!!;)

[baja200merk]

the ford weighs more that makes no sense? i doubt he had it in four wheel drive... and if you look at the dodge's tires vs the ford's tires the fords are half the width... u could see they just spun... if the fords the turbo 7.3 power stroke then its got more hp+torque then the dodge's 5.9 cummins turbo...

[150aintenuff]

the dodge was kitted... the fact you could hear the turbo wind up tells ya that.. in stock form a dodge exhaust wont allow the turbo whine to be heard... and the ford was not in 4x4.... a pulloff is a combination of Tire traction, offidle torque and drive wheel weight to tread width ratio... my ford with 35/12.5's just spins the tires while trying to pull BUT with 38x14.5's it hooks up, builds boost and will darn near twist the frame as torque builds and it starts to move.... but driveline parts get broken fairly easily with all hat twisting force... I have gone through more than 1 complete drive train..

[david martin]

I had a ford 1986 f-150 that had a 4 speed with a granny gear and 4 wheel drive the guys made fun of it until I out pulled an f-250 with an automatic 4 wheel drive and a 460 motor. I am not saying one is better than the other but get rid of the suspension and take in consideration the power to weight,My granny gear and 4 wheel drive low was a very powerfull !!not to mention that my truck was loaded with slate and copper for a roof.

I think that this was not a 4 wheel to 4 wheel and auto to auto or stick to stick something is wrong.If that dodge out pulled that ford that bad then I will be purchasing a dodge for work for real!!

My buddy has an 2002 f 250 with every mod i believe you can get for the diesel 7. somthing this thing even has propane(like nitrous)this truck is bad ass!

That dodge really wasted that ford ,I can see out pull it ,but drag it ,wow :eek: :eek: :eek:

any chance we can see a duramax deisel with a ford deisel ?I love chevy over all but I do not know about this duramax.My neighbor(ford lover)says these motors suck.I personally dont know.(I love something that is cheap to fix and parts in stock)sorry , I owne ford also but prefer a chevy.(more familuar with genaric motors):p

[scfireman]

That dodge did drag the Ford. BUT, I believe that the ford diesels with that body style didnt offer a turbo back then. We have a F-350 7.3 diesel here at the fire dept. that has a rescue body on the back. It is a 92 and it wasnt offered with a turbo. Damn truck is a slug. Our 50,000 lb aircraft crash trucks outrun it every time. We race them down the runways and taxiways after we get a call ,on our way back to the station. :eek:

[Airboater]

Its all a game of who can out brake the other and pull without spinning first .I f you run a standard shift your gonna loose ,too much wheel hop and no way to feather it ,looks liike the ford had a stick shift.I had a 88 ford F350 460 auto trans sitting up on 44in mudders and the trick is to wait till the other guy spins first and hes a goner. ;)

[baja200merk]

if you look at the first pull the fords rear tires are roasting and the dodge is hooked up but the second pull the ford has the dodge untill the truck starts hoppin 8inches in the air then the dodge takes him... it was prolly a f350 pre 96 (non turbo) stick and that dodge came out in 98 with a stock turbo... my dads got a 97 f350 ps 5spd 4x4 and my neighbors 98 dodge ext cab 5spd is faster but doesnt make more power... the ford is said to have 500lbs torque the dodge has 420lbs with an auto...

somthins fishy...
kevin

[REBEL]

You guys have as many excuses as the owner of the Ford :eek: he found out
twice.The Ford was a Turbo(they were added in1993/1994) the Ford did not apear to be stock with those stacks sticking up out the bed.
The Dodge was a stick, as you could tell when he spooled it up and launched it.
If youve ever been to a diesel truck pull or drag race then you know theres not many Fords or Chevys taking home the trophy.Check out the top truck (s)by doing a little search into the Diesel Truck Pull&Drag Race Results. :D

[Ted Stryker]

I know of a completely stock 1995 Diesel Ford w/out a Turbo... Anyway, without knowing the Trucks details in this pull-off, is really worth discussing the outcome...

[150aintenuff]

FOR THE RECORD!!!! powerstrokes started in 1994.5... MID year switch.. ALL 95+ are turbocharged, late 94, 95 are 205 hp, 96 is 215 97-98.5 is 225hp 99-02 -235,275 and the 6L are 325... My 96 is an estimated 325 hp AFTER a banks kit and big exhaust, ECm changes and bigger injecters.. and it Just bairly pulls with the new cummins B motors.. .

[The Big Al]

FOR THE RECORD!!!! powerstrokes started in 1994.5... MID year switch.. ALL 95+ are turbocharged, late 94, 95 are 205 hp, 96 is 215 97-98.5 is 225hp 99-02 -235,275 and the 6L are 325... My 96 is an estimated 325 hp AFTER a banks kit and big exhaust, ECm changes and bigger injecters.. and it Just bairly pulls with the new cummins B motors.. .

97 & up had 275, big change for 97 and up was intercooled and 500ft pounds torque.

Only late producton 95 was turbo.

00 and up with chip can go to 350hp with 600ft pounds of torque easy!!!

And this bairly pulls with the new Cummins B engines? ( BS B engine does not have a chance)
The B engine has been in productin from the early 1980's they were first built in the Charleston SC plant. I was there! It has been in motorhomes and mid size production trucks for years.

And you ask anyone who has one, they get passed with a load, and they also have to stop for fuel more often. I know your gona argue this to death. But it's a fact! I know it is! And so do you.

The truck pull, lets see! Dodge had wieght in the rear? And traction?
That was the differance!
More have changed from Dodge to Ford than any other manufacture!

And I work for GM!

Al

[baja200merk]

97 psd are not intercooled u mean 98

[150aintenuff]

Al I took the HP specs directly from the ford motorcompany archives... 275 didnt come out till 03 Intercoolers came with the new body style change 99+ 98s were still the old style... 98.5 is actually what the first new style trucks are billed under.. they didnt actually build any f250/f350s in 98 at all.. the old style unsold 97's were redubd 98's and the new production run wer dubbed 99's that came out in july of 1998

[The Big Al]

Al I took the HP specs directly from the ford motorcompany archives... 275 didnt come out till 03 Intercoolers came with the new body style change 99+ 98s were still the old style... 98.5 is actually what the first new style trucks are billed under.. they didnt actually build any f250/f350s in 98 at all.. the old style unsold 97's were redubd 98's and the new production run wer dubbed 99's that came out in july of 1998

ok

I know they were building both for a few months.
Was not sure what was what, but correct, new style was the intercooled engine.

[150aintenuff]

ALso the new dodge 600 is dubbed the B model.. that is what i was refering to.. Alsi I have a 1996 that has been built up as far as I would want to stress the older motors.. and on the 1997 and older (old body style) an intercoller actually didnt help HP and torque all it does is lower EGTand my truck actually lost torque when I installed it.. so I removed it.. i have consistant 1100* after turbo and 1300 preturbo EGTs and can sustain those temps continously all day long.. with the inter cooler i was at 950 post turbo and blowing smoke.. at 1000 it clears up and doesnt smoke..

[Airboater]

How many of you guy have ever pulled on the pavement in a tug-o-war,its complety different than pulling a sled in dirt ,all this hp dont mean squat.

[baja200merk]

airboater i guess you mean its all about traction/weight right? i know that if you put a 22re toyota 4cyl (Geared lower then you can imagine) in a ford f250 4x4 with full payload and hooked it up to that dodge you could sit there with the brakes on untill the dodge starts spinning then you would be able to pull the dodge where ever you want correct?

kevin (ok maybe the 2.2 re was a slight exxageration :D )

[Airboater]

airboater i guess you mean its all about traction/weight right? i know that if you put a 22re toyota 4cyl (Geared lower then you can imagine) in a ford f250 4x4 with full payload and hooked it up to that dodge you could sit there with the brakes on untill the dodge starts spinning then you would be able to pull the dodge where ever you want correct?

kevin (ok maybe the 2.2 re was a slight exxageration :D )

You are correct as long as you have the traction to hold your competor and pull him if he starts to slip.Its really just a waiting game to see who slips first or the gunho guy that thinks he can pull dead weight.I have never seen and truck win a pull with a standard tranny ,too much slip and wheel hop,but some have but they ususlly have had their tires soaking is softing compound for better grip.Their was a toyota that would pull all the diesels with the same weight ,which they let the lighter trucks add lead to make the equal weight,but he had a chevey V6 and auto tranny and some wide M/T Baja tires.

[The Big Al]

So true so very true!!!!


traction! traction! traction!

[baja200merk]

well that explains the loss then cause that ford seems to be a stick look at how high the rear tires hop up on the second pull

[150aintenuff]

only pull off i was in cost both of us drivelines and neither of us moved an inch..

[baja200merk]

Wats The Most Power You Can Get Out Of A Stock 97 225hp Psd With Bolt Ons?

[Ted Stryker]

A friggin' heap...

[bigbore]

never will you see a cummings out power a 7.3 or the new 6.0 powerstroke thats not possible i agree that the 4 wheel drive didnt apear to be working in the ford also the dodge looked to be a 3/4 or 1 ton and the ford 1/2 the suspension between those 2 can make all the difference in a high stress situation and once again im not convinced the ford was in 4 wheel drive.the simple fact is the 7.3 powerstroke was unmatched and the 6.0 is getting there with upgrades im not totaly biess to fords but there is no arguing the powerstrokes.

[baja200merk]

bigbore some one on here was sayin there are rumors of a 6.4L powerstroke for 07 (bored out 6.0) with twin turbos! :eek: the 600ft lb cummins wont stand a chance...

i did the glow plugs in dads truck today (97 psd 5spd) the truck will not start under 50*... i hopfully fixed that problem by doing glow plugs and the relay...

wut kind of power are you guys getting outta them turbo diesels out there lets see some numbers/burnouts what ever ya got :)

kevin

[Ted Stryker]

That would be a cool powerstroke, but I'm sure Cummins will just rise to the occassion...

[STV_Keith]

never will you see a cummings out power a 7.3 or the new 6.0 powerstroke thats not possible

Are you freakin' kidding me? Show me a dyno graph of ANY modded Frod 7.3 or 6.0 where they can make the power of a modded Cummins. Below is an example of a simple, bolt-on only, #2 diesel only, single turbocharged daily driver.

http://www.speedcraving.com/keith/511-hp-eth.jpg

Show me something close and we can move forward into the "hot rod" Cummins dyno graphs.

Those Frods have NO chance of making the power that the Cummins make.

[baja200merk]

heres an old daily driver power stroke making 1072ftlbs

http://galebanks.com/BraggingRights_onebadtruck.cfm

kevin

[JonesRacing#157]

OK why did Bank use a Cummins diesel to set the land speed record?
Why did Edge use a Cummins diesel for there Drag Truck that they say is putting out over 1100 HORSE POWER and 2500 + ft.lbs. of tq?
William Fletcher holds the street 1/4 mile truck record at 10.13 in a all steel dodge ram. the new cummins at 610 is week compaired to what can be done with a pre 98.5 dodge. I had a 2005 610 Cummins with some mild mods but sold it becouse I wanted a older truck with the mech pump (easy power)

[STV_Keith]

heres an old daily driver power stroke making 1072ftlbs

http://galebanks.com/BraggingRights_onebadtruck.cfm

kevin

C'mon Kevin - they don't even show the graph. Also, 300hp does NOT make 1000+ ft-lbs. What RPM would that have to be done at? 300rpm? Typically, the diesels we deal with in the pickups will make 2x the torque as the HP. If we just look at the HP, that Frod is 200+rwhp shy of the street Cummins graph I posted above.

[150aintenuff]

Wats The Most Power You Can Get Out Of A Stock 97 225hp Psd With Bolt Ons?
325-350 is about max reliable for the fuel system... 750 ft lbs is about all the fuel system can fuel...

400+HP is near impossible I have the 120 hp chip with a big hoss module after market turbo housing, 4" straight pipe, 3.5" down tube, and all the good bolt ons for a pre 99 PSD and am getting 31-33 lbs of boost at 3400 under full load. and dynoes at 330 hp 660 torque.... and with out major injector upgrades and fuel system changes I dont expect to see any more HP...

[REBEL]

:D 325-350 out of the powerstroke???
Thats why they are know match for the Dodge Cummins!
Check out the 2005 Pulling/drag results in all the classes,and when you see the one Ford that did well,Well He was running a Cummins in his truck ;)
When it comes to Diesel Drag Racing or Truck Pulls :D There is only one Dominator and it has a CUMMINS in it. :)
Just like Mercury does with Outboards :)

[150aintenuff]

its a fuel system limitation... I learned that the hard way...... heck a 92 cummins I know of has more Torque and HP than my PSD does...

[baja200merk]

wow so we have established that the fuel system in the ford sucks... not that i would buy it but is there an upgraded system to bring the #'s up to the cummins?

[STV_Keith]

Sky's the limit...how much do you want? Daily drivers around 500rwhp/1000ft-lbs are common with the Cummins.

[150aintenuff]

wow so we have established that the fuel system in the ford sucks... not that i would buy it but is there an upgraded system to bring the #'s up to the cummins?


YEP drop in a cummins.... as fer the international motor.. it will never be as strong any how, way, shape , or form you try.. .. a V8 will produce less torque than a I6 nomatter how much fuel you shove down them..... it is just part of their design limitations...

[rmh77]

You need one of these! 390 HP and 660 ftlbs of torque :eek: FORD KILLER!

[rmh77]

never will you see a cummings out power a 7.3 or the new 6.0 powerstroke thats not possible i agree that the 4 wheel drive didnt apear to be working in the ford also the dodge looked to be a 3/4 or 1 ton and the ford 1/2 the suspension between those 2 can make all the difference in a high stress situation and once again im not convinced the ford was in 4 wheel drive.the simple fact is the 7.3 powerstroke was unmatched and the 6.0 is getting there with upgrades im not totaly biess to fords but there is no arguing the powerstrokes.


You are crazy! Cummins diesel is far superior to one of those powerjokes! Especially that junk A$$ head gasket blowin 6.0

[Airboater]

What happens when the cab falls off that Dodge and the brakes fail :D