275 Verado

[SpectreDave]

How do you guys think a pair of 275 Verados would do on a 30 foot cat ?
It would be on a Spectre
Feed back please .

[Scream And Fly]

I think the power would be great, but the current lower units available on that engine are not ideal for that application.

The performance versions are due soon, maybe you should wait a bit until those arrive. :)

Greg

[150aintenuff]

Or just get cones put on them.... props might be an issue due to gearing on the verados BUT i am sure something could be found in the 32-34 P range but greg is right, wait till after miami show see what new is comming


I would think the 275's would put it at around 90.. 300X's run that boat right around 102-108 the slight loss of HP is where my estimate comes based on..

[OceanmarineB]

I'll post some pictures friday that may intrest you :)

[blkmtrfan]

I'll post some pictures friday that may intrest you :)

I still want to see pics of the 24' checkmate with the Verado :)

[yahoo]

You need to wait a little, there is no counter roatating for the 20 inch and there is no low water pick up.

Rumor has it something will be shown at the miami show or earlier.

Im thinking of doing the same thing on a 32 or 30 skater.

CM

[150aintenuff]

he could always have it rigged as 25" motors, I thought that the 30's could be rigged as either 20 or 25"

[yahoo]

Not sure, still no low water pickup.

Im sure you could put a cone on it.

Looking forward to friday and finding out whatsa coming.

[150aintenuff]

gear case has a low water pickup... just also has a side pickup... and would loose presure due to the water falling out of the side pickups, and i am sure titus or bobs can cone dem fer ya

[JIM5656]

to be very disappointed.

[yahoo]

What do you know ?

Curtis

[SpectreDave]

Thanks for all the good feed back ...

Dave

[yahoo]

Its friday, whats the scoop ?

CM

[specman]

Dave
1 thanks for ruining my long streak of no posts
2 wait for the new 300 xs's
3 you will not be happy with anything less
4 hurry up and get one ordered, I am bored........
5 you need some xs's so I will know whether I like them or not....
6 if you get anything less you will be following me a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OceanmarineB]

here's the shot's.... :D

[OceanmarineB]

one more of this boat and heres a few of the 24 Checkmate with 250 Verado

[OceanmarineB]

more............

[OceanmarineB]

more..............

[OceanmarineB]

couple more.........

[blkmtrfan]

Thanks Brandon :cool:


Have you run the Checkmate or the Skater yet?

[OceanmarineB]

Tony has ran it i think he said it ran close to 70mph ill have to ask him....

[rsess]

I assume the cat is a Skater. What size and when do we get a report. Supposed to be warmer on Sunday. Oh yeah, see if you can pull off the shrink wrap for a few more shots. Thanks

[OceanmarineB]

I'm not sure what the boss wants to do as far as when were going to run it... and yes it is a Skater.. its the new 32' wide bodied Skater which is new for 2006.. Beleive me i would love to run it this weekend :D but i doubt its going to happen

[SpectreDave]

Let use now what speed you get out of the 32 Skater .
I will be ordering my new boat on Dec 2nd .
Thanks Dave

[blkmtrfan]

Tony has ran it i think he said it ran close to 70mph ill have to ask him....

I assume that you are talking about the Checkmate

Have you ran the new 24' with any other power?

[OceanmarineB]

yes i personally ran the new 24 with a 250xs opti on it and it ran consistant 68-70

[150aintenuff]

interesting....... im surprised I would have thought the extra weight on the transom would have hurt speed more... but 70 ish isnt bad esp with the opti pullin the same..

[Scream And Fly]

Some of you people need to experience the Verado before drawing any conclusions.

[150aintenuff]

not drawin conclusions just doesnt seem logical if cowling HP means anything(which we all know doesnt) that boat X with xyz HP runs the same speed as boat Y with the same xyz HP and around 150 lbs more weight hangin off of it... just crunchin ###'s thats all if ya didnt notice I was ACTUALLY givin the verado( an engine I actually dislike for many reasons) a complement...

Goin up boating tomarrow in seattle but first I am takin a ride today in a 150 verado powered boat... 1st ride in a I 4 powered boat... will let ya know if I am impressed or not... at this point Im not, BUT that is just by visual of prop, hull, and who did the setup work... so off to a boat ride for me:D:D:D

[jphii]

Some of you people need to experience the Verado before drawing any conclusions.

Pretty much says it all.

[2.5-21]

the 275 only makes 275 hp when it senses 92 + octane otherwise it makes 250 hp kind of a way to self protect it
the midsections will not be able to take the punishment of a cat (you will lose them period)

[OceanmarineB]

Fear of the unknown.......I think if Mercury Racing, Pete From Skater and Tony Caligure of Ocean Outboard says there going to work.... i would take there word for it...They have done many tests... If you guys did some research and had experience with the Verado's im sure you would agree as well. Either way the boat is for sale and if your interested in the boat you can come out for a test drive and see how the motors perform... also once the next Verado comes out it will pretty much make every single outboard motor ever produced obsolete... actually the Verado's already do that :) 100mph 32 Skater that produces absolutly no noise and is very very fuel efficient and has tons of torrque and comes with a warranty sounds like a pretty good package to me.

[yahoo]

This is exactly the boat Im thinking about, more pics would be great.

Also got any scoop on the new verado ?

Curtis

[150aintenuff]

Fear of the unknown.......I think if Mercury Racing, Pete From Skater and Tony Caligure of Ocean Outboard says there going to work.... i would take there word for it...They have done many tests... If you guys did some research and had experience with the Verado's im sure you would agree as well. Either way the boat is for sale and if your interested in the boat you can come out for a test drive and see how the motors perform... also once the next Verado comes out it will pretty much make every single outboard motor ever produced obsolete... actually the Verado's already do that :) 100mph 32 Skater that produces absolutly no noise and is very very fuel efficient and has tons of torrque and comes with a warranty sounds like a pretty good package to me.



not without some gearcase modifications....... and BTW where did the 100 mph numbercome from.... last I read that boat hadnt even been ran yet....

and also if a twin X motor 32 is between 102-110 on average( from what I have seen) where is the account for 50+ less HP mid 90's OK I believe that but I dont see much 35-36P prop availability and gearcase availability to go 100+ with the verado YET IMO..

pitch was figured based on 10-15% slip as an average at 6400 RPM with current verado gearing..... so an educated guess..... just to clarify..

[yahoo]

Cant wait, didnt see a tie bar between the motors, so I also dont think it has hit the water yet. Also there dont seem to be any cables, fuel etc to one motor.

CM

[OceanmarineB]

not without some gearcase modifications....... and BTW where did the 100 mph numbercome from.... last I read that boat hadnt even been ran yet....

and also if a twin X motor 32 is between 102-110 on average( from what I have seen) where is the account for 50+ less HP mid 90's OK I believe that but I dont see much 35-36P prop availability and gearcase availability to go 100+ with the verado YET IMO..

pitch was figured based on 10-15% slip as an average at 6400 RPM with current verado gearing..... so an educated guess..... just to clarify..

It sounds like you know more about this setup then Mercury, Skater or us...
How much experience Do you have with Skaters? or Verados?

The 100mph was just thrown out there as a thought.... Boat has not been ran yet...

[yahoo]

Keep us informed of how it runs.

CM

[1BadAction]

the midsections will not be able to take the punishment of a cat (you will lose them period)

ha hahahahaha nice fairy tale there.

[Markus]

produces absolutly no noise and is very very fuel efficient and has tons of torrque and comes with a warranty sounds like a pretty good package to me.

So does a pair of 250 hp 4-stroke Suzukis. But they don't get me very excited either.

[bigbore]

hey i read in one of the treads that the verdildo tones itself down with lower octain fuel.thats important fer sure on that app.amazing what ya get with a waranty production motor.ya know in all seriousness the epa is alot of these nicks in production for these guys and alot of nicks in work everywhere im thinking im gonna go to the epa headquarters and lite up a left handed ciggarette,and a marlboro,fart a couple of times,then do a doughnut in their parkinglot with my 1979 f-150 till it backfires.pricks

[hdtwncam88]

Proroc Marine in Bricktown NJ has an new, never splashed, gorgeous either 2005 or 2006 30 Spectre with 300x's, has the new interior like the 32 has. Give a call and ask for Rolf or Francine at 732-477-7039 and tell them Bernie told ya about the boat. I've been dealing with them for years, and are an awesome group.

[150aintenuff]

It sounds like you know more about this setup then Mercury, Skater or us...
How much experience Do you have with Skaters? or Verados?

The 100mph was just thrown out there as a thought.... Boat has not been ran yet...


I was posting an EDUCATED guess, never claimed to know more than others.. I PERSONALLY have seen a 32 with 300Xs run right around 108 now if that was WOT I dont know, also didnt know how much fuel, or weight of the 5 passengers.. But I do know that a 30 spectre with X's ALso is in that same range fer speed, SO that bein said, account fer loss of 50 HP (also an assumsion based on COWLING ### only) and lets do a little math... 108=600 as X=550 so a little algebra and we get a ESTIMATED CONSTANT of .18 MPH per HP BASED soley on 108 mph with 600 hp and with 550 hp (verados rated HP with premium fuel gives ya an estimated top speed of 99 mph figuring the weight of the total package is the same so NOW we account fer the extra weight using the general rule of 1 mph is lost for every 100 lbs... so 469 lbs for 300X versus 669 fer verados equals 400 lbs.... or a loss of 4 MPH yeilding 95 mph.................. AS A GUESTIMATE....... so then we take 95 mph and enter it in to a prop calculator equasion..... and work it backwards... 95* 1056 =100320x gear ratio 1.85=185592/ rpm = ACTUAL forward movement per revolution which =29" so now we add in slip... at say 12.5% so we divide by .875 which yeilds a 33P prop so there ya go... since you ALL seem to think Im an idiot, it doesnt take much to make a real world estimate.. it was JUST AN ESTIMATE.. only someone running one can give REAL numbers... till then its just bench racin.. and I have every right same as you to say what I think they will do.




AND just to clarify here was my first post regaurding a 30 spectre with verados.... cause that was what this thread is regaurding.....


Or just get cones put on them.... props might be an issue due to gearing on the verados BUT i am sure something could be found in the 32-34 P range but greg is right, wait till after miami show see what new is comming


I would think the 275's would put it at around 90.. 300X's run that boat right around 102-108 the slight loss of HP is where my estimate comes based on..


so I dont think I am to far off... if my gustimated speeds(fer the VERADO) Jive with Known setups(30 spectre with X's and 1 32 Skater with X's I SAW running an ESTIMATED 108-110 ( i was not in the boat)) in relation to MPH per HP , my prop pitch was, acording to my numbers above, were DEAD ON in my book. first post was 32-34...off the hip, and when penciled out guess what 33P.. fer 95 mph @ 6400 with 12.5% slip.... ironic isnt it... or MAYBE IM not that dumb after all....

[yahoo]

I think your slip might be a little high. With labbed props and some good setup probably around 9% for a skater.

Which would put it real close to 100.

What they need todo is break the code on the black box and increase the boost, so its about 300-350hp, now we got a boat.


CM

[150aintenuff]

yahoo if ya re read my post it shows the DIFFERENCE in PROP pitch rather than speed, slip may be high BUT all that will do (based on my post) will reduce pitch by 1 " so 32 not 33... a ZERO slip speed of 95 mph gave ### of 29P prop so NO I still main tain that it will be a 95 MPH boat.. its a combination of less HP and added weight.. anyone have a twin 250 EFI SVS powered skater due to the verados added weight and ballast to make it fly flat I would think that would be a very close comparison

and as far as increasing the boost without better fuel (100LL or better) there will be very little gain as the 275 already detunes itself to 250 if 92 or better isnt used...

[yahoo]

The 30 spectre with 2 250xs ran 100.1 at lake t.

So I dont think 100 is out of reach, the extra weight of the verados will not affect the 32 very much. Hopefully they have moved some of the weight forward so it will fly flat.

CM

[150aintenuff]

The 30 spectre with 2 250xs ran 100.1 at lake t.

CM


whas it loaded or near empty

a fully loaded spectre with X's ( timewarps) runs right around 102(real world poker run speed with a boat full of people, beer, and fuel)

guess we will just have to wait and see how fast the verado powered skater is and just have to see if a verado powered spectre is assembled and how it runs.... I still will maintain my mid 90's statement untill someone runs one over 100.

[yahoo]

Heres the post from offshoreonly.com

Jay just called from Lake T

New 2005 30 Spectre with 2 x Merc 250xs ran 100.1 at Lake T



1ft chop
62 degrees
Stock Unlabbed Props
20lbs water pressure

3mpg at 80mph
3yrs Warranty

Jays been working on the 30 a little and figured out how to get aome more speed out of her.

[150aintenuff]

that still didnt answer my question regarding the loaded or unloaded condition of the hull... if it was jay and 30 gallons of fuel to get 100.1 that is alot different than jay 5 of his buddies, a cooler full of beer and 150 gallons of fuel.. there might be 10 mph difference right there in weight alone... you posted conditions but said nothing about the stated of the boat when it was tested to obtain those speeds, are they valid yes.. but is it a speed that is obtainable over a long run(50+ miles) with 5 of yer buds sippin on yer favorite brew while jammin to yer favorite tunes.. after all if yer gunna run a 30+' hull why would ya want to do it alone???

[yahoo]

Dont know anymore than that. Im thinking you could up the pitch and with all the torque the verado has, it will eventually get there.

I know on my 36 skater, after it went past 108, it just took off. I was clocked at 122mph with hp500 carbs, which didnt have cmi exhausts. There was more speed, but no more props.

CM

[150aintenuff]

so it seems that there is a secondary transition in them... and bummer ya ran out of prop... could ya rais yer rev limmiters or would ya start breakin parts.. will a verado hit 100 probably, but do I think it will happen on the first boat.... no