Brand New 22' Activator

[brett567]

Activator is building a Brand New 22'... First 22' since they moved into the Anchorage Marine in Lindenhurst!! Just started Monday... Here are two pictures that were taken today.

[ghost28]

does that one have anyones name on it??? or is it for sale....keep us posted on the progress ..i love watchin em come together... :)

[brett567]

this one is actually for me... It's gonna be all Yellow Gelcoat Top to Bottom....

[stokernick]

thump,thump,thump!!;)

[ghost28]

nice brett...gonna hang an x on it???? thought u were done w small boats...

[SUPERBASH]

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[SUPAJAY]

I love mine, keep us posted

[blkmtrfan]

Very cool :cool: :cool:


Please keep the pics coming, would love to see the complete build :cool: :cool:

[brett567]

Will definitly keep everyone posted... took more pictures today but left the camera at work... will post more pictures tomorrow... I know theres alot of superboats and progressions in the area... How many other 22' Activators are around here? Long Island area?

[jerry]

there are 2 other gay guys uh with them . lol can you get a weight on that boat

[SUPAJAY]

there are 2 other gay guys uh with them . lol can you get a weight on that boat
Dont be a hater :p Theres at least five 22 activators on the island that i can think of.

[THE HOSER]

what motor is going on that thing?

[jeffbare]

300x sounds appropriate.

[brett567]

Here are a few more pictures of the bottom....

[brett567]

Some more pictures of the Deck in progress....

[blkmtrfan]

Thanks so much for the pics Brett, helps me see how mine was built :cool: :cool:

Keep the pics coming :D

I see you ae getting the notch, are you going to have the liner floor?

[Pro300x24LD]

Lightspeed, I sent you a PM requesting the HIN and additional pictures, did you recieve it?

[brett567]

The boat should be gettin popped out of the mold tomorrow or the following day.... will post pictures of her as soon as possible.... Got a few more to post but left camera at shop again....

[brett567]

More pictures.... The boat should be popped out of the mold tomorrow.... Cant wait to see the Yellow.... Will post pictures asap!

[brett567]

A few more of the back half....

[THE HOSER]

how long was it in the mold for
and does it make any difference :confused:

and you got to get the weight of it

[brett567]

They shot the Gelcoat in the Mold last monday the 14th... and have been working on it since....

[ghost28]

lookin good ...cant wait ta see it out of the mold too... :) what color interior ya goin with...

[jerry]

fairy yellow .......... HAHAHAHAH , seems all the 22 activatiors are faggy yellow .......... lol

[ghost28]

last time i looked.jerry...u were a FAIRY YELLOW dog... :eek:

[jerry]

heyyyyyyyyyyyyy ......................... one more crack like that jerry will come over and tighten your brace !!!!

[blkmtrfan]

last time i looked.jerry...u were a FAIRY YELLOW dog... :eek:

Good point George :D

[Jigsaw89]

Great pics... keep 'em comin!

Why is the rear most bulkhead in post #20 lacking the center cut out vs the one in the bow? Cutting it later as well as not allowing access to the bow (if it remains as pictured) makes no sense to me...

[brett567]

Here are some more pictures.... Didnt get to pop it out of the mold yet but finished the gas tank and got it ready to glass the floor in.... Once the floor is glassed in then the center bulkhead will get the cut out like the front one... Havent completey figured out the Interior colors yet but its definitly going to be yellow and probably have white in it...

[brett567]

Few more pictures!

[brett567]

more pictures....

[blkmtrfan]

So your gas tank is fiberglass?


Mine is in the same location but is aluminum

[brett567]

Yea the gas tank is all fiberglass, no aluminum....

[jerry]

be carefull. most boats( aka skaters ) around here that have glass tanks are being eating alive from the gas ..

[brett567]

They are using a different coating inside the tank so that the ethonal (methanol) which ever it is doesnt hurt the gast tank.... All the new Activators have it... Thats the way the new 30's are....

[brett567]

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!! Dont eat to much turkey...

[SUPAJAY]

They are using a different coating inside the tank so that the ethonal (methanol) which ever it is doesnt hurt the gast tank.... All the new Activators have it... Thats the way the new 30's are....
Thats sweet, i need to contact mark about that because il be putting a new tank in my boat this winter. Mines an 89' so its about that time.

Is the boat out of the mold yet? I cant wait to see the pics :cool:

[ACTV22]

Nice brett, good to see there will be another activator out there next summer. Looks like the boat is comming along nice. cant wait to see it

[blkmtrfan]

i need to contact mark about that because il be putting a new tank in my boat this winter. Mines an 89' so its about that time.

Is there something wrong with your tank?

[SUPAJAY]

Is there something wrong with your tank?
There a small crack on the bottom by the bilge area. I used a 18gallon tempo tank all season because i didnt want to take chances sucking water.

[jerry]

There a small crack on the bottom by the bilge area. I used a 18gallon tempo tank all season because i didnt want to take chances sucking water.
yea worried about sucking water . hahahahaha who cares about blowing up .........................

[lightspeed]

I Wouldnt Have A Glass Tank In My Boat

[SUPAJAY]

Its an aluminum tank.
Jerry - Sucking water leads to blowing mota :D

[jerry]

and leaking gas leads to explosions ....lol

[blkmtrfan]

There a small crack on the bottom by the bilge area. .............Its an aluminum tank.

It can be welded up, you must be very careful, but it is possilbe ;)

[SUPAJAY]

Im not going to take any chances. Im just going to cut it out and replace it with a new one. Plus i have a lot planned for next year so, its just another thing added to the list.

[jerry]

yea buy a new one . jerry had a guy in jersey do his . think it was costal welding in toms river , think ? he advertised in the fisherman . alot of guys were making them .075-.090 thick . jerry had his made .125 ..

[godspeed]

jerry you know the guy , it is atlantic coastal welding ?? right if so that is my welder for aluminum , for the life of me i cant remember his first name ?? he also make bitchin fuel tanks , pricey but flawless :)

[jerry]

couldnt tell you his name . did very nice work .... price was not to bad 70 gal tank was around 400.00

[brett567]

Popped the boat out of the Mold yesterday but didnt get a chance to post the pictures....

[brett567]

some pictures....

[brett567]

some pictures... one with the start of the Stainless rub-rail....

[brett567]

a few more shots.... transom and side shot

[lightspeed]

Looks Nice Good Luck With It. Mine Runs Real Good 88 With A 280 Motor On It I Might Have It Sold And The Guy Wants To Put a 300x On It Should Run 95+ Mark Builds A Real Nice Boat. What Are You Going To power It With???

[SUPAJAY]

Very nice, your boat looks great!!
Has the mold been modified at all over the years, are they build differently now ?

[brett567]

I had talked to Mark about the Mold and he told me that he redesigned the deck about 5 years back. Nothing major but it is a different deck. The dashboard has more height, and deck from the windscreen foward is slightly different.... and the back of the deck now has a little flip in it sort of like a mini spoiler.... Lightspeed (john) has the same deck that i have... he might be able to better describe some of the changes that were done to the deck... The bottom stayed the same, but i had Mark put knees in the transom for more strength and the whole boat was cored with divinicel.

[lightspeed]

Mine Has The Knees Also And You Described The Deck To A tee There were Only Some Slight Changes Mine Is a 2003 And Yours Was The Next To Be Built Mark Didnot Sell Too Many Of The New Deck Design It Looks Good With The Lip On The Stern What Power Are You Going With

[SUPAJAY]

I think they all have knees, mine has it :confused:

[brett567]

I am pretty sure not all of them have transom knees... i could be wrong... I'm goin with the 250XS for now... probably move up to a 300X after a few years with the boat....

[brett567]

Supaboatmillenium you got any pictures of your boat? I am interested in seeing your setup... i pretty much got everything picked out for the boat but just interested to see what other people have... never really got to see anyone elses boat... thanks

[SUPAJAY]

I lost all my pics when my computer crashed, but this is one that Maureen shot. Its a stock 225efi with 14in of setback and 2in below the pad. Stock gearcase and 14.5 x 26 it ran 74mph. Next year im going down to 8inches of setback, a coned case and some engine mods that i havent decided on yet.

[blkmtrfan]

New to old, mine is the new style as well (1998) and the front ridge in the bow is more squared off as it blends into the farring...



Lightspeed, 88 mph GPS with a 280 :confused:

[AC18Classic]

a few more shots.... transom and side shot

Nice looking boat!

What's the dead rise at the transom? It looks pretty flat?
Is an I/O available?

[lightspeed]

Brett Come Look At Mine Its In Babylon

[THE HOSER]

I'm goin with the 250XS for now... probably move up to a 300X after a few years with the boat....[/QUOTE]


why dont you just but the 300x
is it the cost of the motor?

[blkmtrfan]

Lightspeed, 88 mph GPS with a 280 :confused:

Lightspeed did you see this, if you are goin 88mph with a 280 you have the fastest 2.5 powered SOB I have ever herd of :confused:

What prop and RPM?, thanks

[SUPERBASH]

it ran 74mph.

Remember The Time Trials ?... SupaJayhttp://img427.imageshack.us/img427/6006/leghump9vs.gif (http://imageshack.us) ???http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/1237/bash7um.gif (http://imageshack.us)

CLICK HERE http://media.putfile.com/Movie_00018690

[lightspeed]

2.5 ROS 8200 rpm with a 28ET 88 on the gps With A 2.4 Bridgeport Carb Alot Of Motor Work It Went 83 26 Chopper The Guy I Sold It To Is Putting a 300X On It Scalywag Seen The GPS

[SUPAJAY]

Remember The Time Trials ?... SupaJayhttp://img427.imageshack.us/img427/6006/leghump9vs.gif (http://imageshack.us) ???http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/1237/bash7um.gif (http://imageshack.us)

CLICK HERE http://media.putfile.com/Movie_00018690
That was my first day out in may, i got 74 by the end of the summer with a little more setup and with out my 100lb back seat. Remember time trials i had my back seat, and my girlfriend which is another 100lbs. Wait till next year :D

[blkmtrfan]

2.5 ROS 8200 rpm with a 28ET 88 on the gps With A 2.4 Bridgeport Carb Alot Of Motor Work It Went 83 26 Chopper The Guy I Sold It To Is Putting a 300X On It Scalywag Seen The GPS

How may RPM's with the 28ET?

How much setback and what propshaft height?

Thanks

[lightspeed]

16inch setback 1 1/2 above the bottom and with the 15 Inch drag leg it puts it another 2 back

[blkmtrfan]

So you were running a 15" mid, I didn't realize that :cool:


16in including the notch or did that one come without the transom notch?

And you spun the 28 all the up to 8200, very impressive


I really don't think there is another SOB that has gone that fast with a 2.5 :cool:


Please someone correct me if I am wrong :o

[SUPERBASH]

That was my first day out in may, i got 74 by the end of the summer with a little more setup and with out my 100lb back seat. Remember time trials i had my back seat, and my girlfriend which is another 100lbs. Wait till next year :D

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Here's what you need to hit 74 in the BumbleBee...SupaJay.http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/354/leghump2tv.gif (http://imageshack.us)
-Wack 10" off that mid.
-Run a 6 gallon Tempo tank.
-No seats. Just a milkcrate.
-Sweetie rides with Bash !http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/3012/boobies8gv.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/38/bash7aq.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[lightspeed]

The Boat Has The Notch And The Bracket Is 16 Inch Its A Stainless Marine I Cant wait To See It With The 300X Its Gunna Rock

[SUPAJAY]

Watch me do it again !!! And you can have her :D

[lightspeed]

Bash Did You Run This week End???????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[SUPERBASH]

Noope John. BREAK-in 3 motas in 1 year is taking its emotional toll on the Bash'meister. :rolleyes:

-Sounds good Jay. Send pics SUPERBASH300X@HOTMAIL.COM http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7513/bash7id.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[lightspeed]

Bash MASTER Bring It Over My House I Will Break It In For You :) :) And Then We Can Leave It On The Davits So I Can Play :eek: :eek:

[blkmtrfan]

The Boat Has The Notch And The Bracket Is 16 Inch Its A Stainless Marine I Cant wait To See It With The 300X Its Gunna Rock

Have to agree with you on that one, watch out 100mph :eek: :cool:

[SUPERBASH]

watch out 100mph :eek: :cool:

& Watch out PhastBoat !http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2276/bash0ip.gif (http://imageshack.us)

-That doesnt sound like a bad idea L. Speed. Still having flashbacks to Last December. :o

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[lightspeed]

BashMASTER I Have A Big Block We Can Put In There If You Like :D :D :D :D :D :D

[SUPERBASH]

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[viper15]

Bash thats some good sh-t. where do you find that stuff? I guess you are on the computer way tooooooo much!

[jerry]

BashMASTER I Have A Big Block We Can Put In There If You Like :D :D :D :D :D :D
replace the b with a c and there is some gay crap going on

[SUPERBASH]

Big Clock???http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/855/bash9ig.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[jerry]

ok drop the L

[jerry]

and bash will be sore ........................

[brett567]

Mark pretty much finished glassing the deck on today and did some other little odds and ends to finish the boat up... should be reading for rigging in a few days!! Will continue to post pictures as she progresses

[ghost28]

bash did u kill another powerhead?????????????????????????????// :eek:

[brett567]

Here are some pictures of the first 30' that was built... ran 112+ with 950hp!!

[brett567]

Some pictures of the Blue 30' thats in their showroom right now.... I Will post pictures of the NEW Yellow 30' thats being rigged and the NEW White 27' with a small block thats being rigged as well...

[blkmtrfan]

Pretty cool :cool: :cool:


http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=97679


A 27' with a small block :confused: or perhaps 2 small blocks :confused: :confused:

[ACTV22]

boat looks good, I have that top deck on my boat to and mine is a 1990, I havent seen any earlier boats with my deck only the new ones every one else seems to have the different couling and the windshield. that yellow looks real nice

[brett567]

ACTV22 nice boat you got there.... have you had that boat for a long time? or did you recently pick it up?

[ACTV22]

Ive had the boat for 3 years it mwas originally my fathers boat, it is the old hyper active boat. the boats been in the family for about 7 years now. I been redoing it as I go new paint upolstry rigging, and I filled in the notch in the bottom

[blkmtrfan]

Ive had the boat for 3 years it mwas originally my fathers boat, it is the old hyper active boat.

Did your dad race it as Hyperactive?

[brett567]

Looks like you got a nice piece there.... Good to see a few people out there with the 22' Activators....

Ordering most of the parts needed to Rig my boat Monday morning!!! Will post pictures as the boat is being rigged...

[blkmtrfan]

Will post pictures as the boat is being rigged...

:cool: :cool:

[HERB]

Wish I Had 950hp

[brett567]

Haven't done any Rigging Yet!! Ordered pretty much everything to Rig the boat though... Should start to see some stuff show up by the end of the week... Also working on the interior... Will Post pictures as soon as the Rigging Starts... I have been making custom parts though... Will post some pictures of them...

[2.5-21]

I Guess He Only Bashes Superboats Where Does Activator Buy There Plywood? Cant Be Home Depot It Would Be No Good.

Must Have Been Lowes!!!!

[SUPERBASH]

Did someone say Bash ???http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2295/bash9um.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[jerry]

jerry was wondering if this is a private boat or is this thread a commerical add for activator ???

[79Tron]

jerry was wondering if this is a private boat or is this thread a commerical add for activator ???

I want one

[SUPERBASH]

Brett seems to work at or for Activator from reading his first post. Maybe he'll become a "Team Member" . http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2295/bash9um.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[jerry]

I want one
jerry would think that anyone driving in a s.b would !!! HAHAHAHAH

[ACTV22]

Boat looks good was at activator today looked at your boat came out really nice. I guess your brother works at the anchorage, I think i was talking to him.

[brett567]

Thanks... Yes that was my brother you talked too... I was cleaning the SS Trailblazer that was in the MRD shop... What time where you down there?

[brett567]

Started working on the boat today!! Started cutting holes for the jackplate and fabricated some of the hardware... Cut all the holes for the cleats and bow light... Will post pictures as hardware gets installed and rigging starts!!

[blkmtrfan]

Started working on the boat today!! Started cutting holes for the jackplate and fabricated some of the hardware... Cut all the holes for the cleats and bow light... Will post pictures as hardware gets installed and rigging starts!!

Looking forward to it :cool:

[150aintenuff]

any pics of the 22 CC by chance???

[RLW]

I have been lurking this thread since it's inception. Very interesting. I have a 27' Activator with a (dare I say) 540. We are considering getting back into an outboard. A 22' Activator would fit our needs. Keep the pics coming.

[brett567]

RLW i would def suggest looking into a 22' Activator.... it's a beautiful boat... can handle some water too for its size... let me know if your interested i could get you some information on it....

as for everyone else i sanded down the transom area all smooth and painted it white. looks great and will realy show off the flawless rigging that shes gonna get!! will post pics as soon as more progress is made!!

[jerry]

how much is a bare hull ?

[Pro300x24LD]

how much is a bare hull ? Would be interested to know as well.

[THE HOSER]

looks to me like jerry wants to buy one :eek:

[RotorHead]

how much is a bare hull ?

This is interesting!

8 pages of detailed description of how the boat was built and now discussions of pricing…

How is this any different than my so called Infomercial that we have been accused of?

Where is that line Greg? Where is the line?

Or is the line only for certain people?

[Scream And Fly]

Okay Ted, since you want to do this in public rather than an email, let's do it.


You've been posting and promoting the Tuff boat company for years on this site. You deny having any affiliation with them, yet you use words like "us" and "our product" to describe the company. I found that interesting in that I spoke with Mark and he told me you work for him to promote his boat company. Maybe Mark should step up to the plate and do what others do in accordance with our rules - that is, become a Supporting Vendor. Better yet, maybe you should stop with the BS about denying your affiliation with that company and your self righteous attacks against my rules on this forum as a result.

Do you see the difference between you and Brett's post here? I have a feeling that you do and you're just annoyed that we're denying you the free advertising that you insist upon.

If Brett works for Activator, then the same rules apply to him as well. Unfortunately, not all people freely admit they intend on breaking the rules here or disclose the fact that they work for or are affiliated for a boat company (like yourself, for example), so we have to find these things out ourselves.

If you're unhappy with the rules here, then call any magazine and tell then you want to promote your boat company for free. Let me know what they tell you.

Any other thoughts or questions, mail me.

Greg

[P man]

Geeze its like daddy just hit mommy at the dinner table in here...

[Raceman]

Geeze its like daddy just hit mommy at the dinner table in here...

Yeah, but it's kinda like mommy's been a whore and brought it on herself.:D :D :D

[arrowwaves]

I am pretty sure not all of them have transom knees... i could be wrong... I'm goin with the 250XS for now... probably move up to a 300X after a few years with the boat....
When I blew up my 3.4L, a 250XS was available immediately(from ocean outboards Kryptonite)to be rigged onto my hull;so I went with it thinking that someday I would switch to a 300X. I no longer see a need for this switch, the boat runs 74 with a 23 Rev4 ,I am sure I would go faster with the 300(you think) but I am loving the fuel economy of the Optimax. I ran 100 statute miles on 30 gals of 93 oct. ,both offshore and in the bay. I truly love this rig and will not change.(well maybe the prop,I hit my rev limit a lot).Hope to see you at Tanner this season, we should be a good pairing.

[brett567]

This summer should definitly be fun!! Started laying out the dash the other day... as soon as more progress is made will post some pictures of it... Lightspeed i saw your old 22' at Joey's.... The new Carbon Fiber interior looked sick... i think thats what im gonna do for mine... will post pictures probs this coming week...

[lightspeed]

Hows It Goin Brett Will Have To Stop By And See All The Boys .What Are You Puttin On That Thing???? Got To Stop By Joes And Check It Out .I Bought A 2006 29 Kryptonite Its Gettin A 598 /800 HP ITS BOX Its Gunna Be A Sick Ride

[RotorHead]

Hey dummy,
Where in this thread does he state or imply that he works for Activator?
Why shouldnt somone ask what they payed for a boat?
Now grab a tissue and stop crying.

I’m not crying fatboy and don’t think that ‘cause your bitch-tits are flapping I’m going to tremble in my boots. You should know that Decadurabolin is a veterinarian product and no amount of whinnying will change the fact that your nuts have shriveled and there is too much estrogen in your system!

Greg, game on!

Let’s do this in open forum. I will not deny for a moment that I’m enthusiastic about his product, but the fact is that you are wrong! I am not employed by him and more importantly, I do not see the difference between this post and the one started by RBT. Please do spell out the rules! So that I may abide by them! As you said in your previous post on this subject, a quick scan of all my posts will give a clear picture of my agenda… I encourage you to do so. What you will find is my best effort to provide your readers with all the information that we were able to find in our efforts to improve our product. Small nuggets of information that we were able to share with this community. What you will not find, is any profanity, vulgarity or any put down of any of your members.

Your choice, what would you rather have? People that share information on a development and improvement on a product, or people who call out members with open confrontation and profanity in italicizes?

[Scream And Fly]

Ted,

Nobody ever accused you of targeting any forum members with attacks or vulgarity of any kind. That's simply not the issue here, although your reply to Sam may change that situation.

I suppose the only conclusion I may draw based on your post is either:

1. You are lying in your denial of any affiliation with that company.
2. Mark from Tuff Boat was lying when he told me you work for him.

In either case, the fact is that Mark is sending people here to do his advertising for him. That's unethical, and frankly, it's not fair to supporting vendors like Intimidator and Progression. I just can't explain it any clearer than this.

Would Mark build me a Tuff 21 for free? Why should he expect to get advertising for free?

Greg

[Raceman]

.........What you will find is my best effort to provide your readers with all the information that we were able to find in our efforts to improve our product.

Ahhhh, another total non selfish act of providing the great service of public information. I always love that argument when it's raised as an excuse for milkin' free advertising space. And there's that "our product" term again. I'm sure you meant to say "his product that I'm completely disassociated with an only a non compensated obsessive advocate of".



What you will not find, is any profanity, vulgarity or any put down of any of your members. Your choice, what would you rather have? People that share information on a development and improvement on a product, or people who call out members with open confrontation and profanity in italicizes?

Hmmm, what EXACTLY would you call this:


I’m not crying fatboy and don’t think that ‘cause your bitch-tits are flapping I’m going to tremble in my boots. You should know that Decadurabolin is a veterinarian product and no amount of whinnying will change the fact that your nuts have shriveled and there is too much estrogen in your system!


And finally:


Please do spell out the rules! So that I may abide by them!

Spell out the rules? Again??? I'll take a shot at it: It's been asked simply that you don't continue to milk free advertising here. It's actually very simple .................. quit with the free plugs for the product here. If you want to make your own rules start your own website and then you can run it however you see fit. Simple enough?

[1BadAction]

hey rotorhead, maybe if you stop being such a friggin cheapskate and throw greg a few dollars the people will stop giving you crap. Freeloader.

[RotorHead]

Ted,

Nobody ever accused you of targeting any forum members with attacks or vulgarity of any kind. That's simply not the issue here, although your reply to Sam may change that situation.

I suppose the only conclusion I may draw based on your post is either:

1. You are lying in your denial of any affiliation with that company.
2. Mark from Tuff Boat was lying when he told me you work for him.

In either case, the fact is that Mark is sending people here to do his advertising for him. That's unethical, and frankly, it's not fair to supporting vendors like Intimidator and Progression. I just can't explain it any clearer than this.

Would Mark build me a Tuff 21 for free? Why should he expect to get advertising for free?

Greg

Absolutely Not!

It is your #2 conclusion that is incorrect!

What Mark said, exactly, was that he would send someone down to the ‘Romp’… “ to represent” the Tuff’s. Namely me. His best friend and greatest admirer and specifically in this case, his number one customer. Literally! As it turned out, I was out of the country, on my real job and he came down himself.

The two of you spoke briefly, in which conversation, you suggested two things; one that there should be an independent evaluation between the various SOB’s and that he should advertise… Fair enough…

What Mark was too polite to say, to your face, is that it is highly unlikely that he will ever sell any boats south of the border (for a variety of reasons) and further, that any evaluation that is conducted by a source that is receiving advertising dollars from a customer, CAN NOT provide a non biased, honest evaluation of a product. Therefore he decided not to allocate any funds towards this website. As a result, out of roughly 350 photos covering the event, I recall seeing one picture, where the Tuff appeared, by accident, in the background of someone else’s picture.

It became painfully clear that any praise, evaluation or promotion that is taking place on the website is determined by the number of advertising dollars that are spent by the manufacturer.

If a catastrophic failure happened to a supporting vendor, it was not reported…

So then, what value does any comment have, that is made by a source that is depending on next years advertising budget. In other words, if you are a source of information, like a magazine or in this case this website, the minute you accept money form a manufacturer, you have prostituted yourself to say only favorable things about that product.

I guess the only question I have is; how do you decide between two supporting vendors that sell practically the same product? Which one is better? Or are they both good? Are they? … Is this responsible reporting to your loyal readers? What would want to make someone become a third or a fourth in line of such …. Praised products?

[Scream And Fly]

Absolutely Not!

It is your #2 conclusion that is incorrect!

What Mark said, exactly, was that he would send someone down to the ‘Romp’… “ to represent” the Tuff’s.

Wrong. What Mark said exactly was, "Yes, Ted works for me to promote our boats." I suppose you're going to tell me what my tax return was for 2004 too?



What Mark was too polite to say, to your face, is that it is highly unlikely that he will ever sell any boats south of the border (for a variety of reasons) and further, that any evaluation that is conducted by a source that is receiving advertising dollars from a customer, CAN NOT provide a non biased, honest evaluation of a product. Therefore he decided not to allocate any funds towards this website.

Wow Ted, how little you know. Indeed, you really are looking through some very effective blinders. Exactly what do you base this presumption on? So, if someone from the U.S. wanted to buy a Tuff, Mark would not sell the boat?



As a result, out of roughly 350 photos covering the event, I recall seeing one picture, where the Tuff appeared, by accident, in the background of someone else’s picture

Out of the 94 (where did you get 350?) photos that I had posted, do these look accidental? These are from my posted Rondack Romp Gallery (http://forums.screamandfly.com/Gallery/showgallery.php/cat/3047):

http://forums.screamandfly.com/Gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3137/size/big/cat/3047/page/2

http://forums.screamandfly.com/Gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3131/size/big/cat/3047/page/3

http://forums.screamandfly.com/Gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3123/size/big/cat/3047/page/3




It became painfully clear that any praise, evaluation or promotion that is taking place on the website is determined by the number of advertising dollars that are spent by the manufacturer.

If a catastrophic failure happened to a supporting vendor, it was not reported…

Ted, what has become "painfully clear" is your complete lack of insight into myself and this site.



So then, what value does any comment have, that is made by a source that is depending on next years advertising budget. In other words, if you are a source of information, like a magazine or in this case this website, the minute you accept money form a manufacturer, you have prostituted yourself to say only favorable things about that product.

How dare you make statements like that about me. Ted, do me a favor and never proceed to tell me how I "prostituted" myself to any advertisers. I think what I'm seeing is the very core of your personality here. You can take your disrespectful comments about my credibility and shove it pal.



I guess the only question I have is; how do you decide between two supporting vendors that sell practically the same product? Which one is better? Or are they both good? Are they? … Is this responsible reporting to your loyal readers? What would want to make someone become a third or a fourth in line of such …. Praised produts?

Once again, I'll explain the obvious to you. Where on this site do you see any official evaluations of an Intimidator verses a Progression? I've been to the factories of both boats and have a lot of experience with them. Responsible reporting is telling the truth - telling it like it is.

Ted, I'm disgusted by your post, to be honest. You really have learned so little about this site in the time you spent here. You not only make the Tuff Boat company look bad with this post, but you make this site look bad. Maybe you should take your delusional attitude elsewhere.

Greg

[Raceman]

What Mark was too polite to say, to your face, is that it is highly unlikely that he will ever sell any boats south of the border (for a variety of reasons)

I keep forgetting that we don't have any Canadian members here who might be interested in buying a boat.


............and further, that any evaluation that is conducted by a source that is receiving advertising dollars from a customer, CAN NOT provide a non biased, honest evaluation of a product.

So Mark was too polite to say that to Greg's face also? Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that's Mark's thinkin', or maybe just yours? In any case it's an interesting and completly flawed observation. So NO magazine or newspaper or TV comment on any product or service could ever be non biased if that source receives advertising dollars from a given supplier? I've seen a product evaluation ON THIS SITE of an item manufactured by a Supporting Vendor ON THIS SITE that didn't get a positive review.


It became painfully clear that any praise, evaluation or promotion that is taking place on the website is determined by the number of advertising dollars that are spent by the manufacturer.

Painfully clear to who? I spend hours every day here and I've never noticed such a trend. People who are helpful here and do good work and treat people right get good reviews on their stuff.


If a catastrophic failure happened to a supporting vendor, it was not reported….

What catastrophic failure???? What Supporting Vendor????


So then, what value does any comment have, that is made by a source that is depending on next years advertising budget. In other words, if you are a source of information, like a magazine or in this case this website, the minute you accept money form a manufacturer, you have prostituted yourself to say only favorable things about that product.

What evidence is there for that conclusion as far as this website goes. I could give countless examples to the contrary.


I guess the only question I have is; how do you decide between two supporting vendors that sell practically the same product? Which one is better? Or are they both good? Are they? … Is this responsible reporting to your loyal readers? What would want to make someone become a third or a fourth in line of such …. Praised products?

First of all products evaluated here are done so on their own merit, nothing more, nothing less, so where's the need for choice or preference. An example would be Flyweels. At least 2 Supporting Vendors are in the business of modifying light flywheels. I've never seen a preference of one over the other. The same could be said for cut heads and numerous other items. Secondly, IF (huge IF) there was such a pecking order so to speak (there isn't) why would it be any of your business in the context of the debate over plugging a product that you flip back and forth between describing as "ours" and "his"?

[WILDMAN]

Hmmmmmm

[P man]

Easy with the cut and paste Raceman!

Let em work it out on their own. Your like a little terrier lol

[Raceman]

Hmmmmmm

Damn near 1 oclock and Hmmmm is the best you can do?:p

[WILDMAN]

Yeah, I just sit here as a spectator. I just like being entertained. I'll be up another hour or two.

[Raceman]

Hell, at least it's easier'n debatin' politics and religion in the lounge. Summa' them guys actually put forth some reasonable arguments on them' topics.

[jerry]

I’m not crying fatboy and don’t think that ‘cause your bitch-tits are flapping I’m going to tremble in my boots. You should know that Decadurabolin is a veterinarian product and no amount of whinnying will change the fact that your nuts have shriveled and there is too much estrogen in your system!

Greg, game on!

Let’s do this in open forum. I will not deny for a moment that I’m enthusiastic about his product, but the fact is that you are wrong! I am not employed by him and more importantly, I do not see the difference between this post and the one started by RBT. Please do spell out the rules! So that I may abide by them! As you said in your previous post on this subject, a quick scan of all my posts will give a clear picture of my agenda… I encourage you to do so. What you will find is my best effort to provide your readers with all the information that we were able to find in our efforts to improve our product. Small nuggets of information that we were able to share with this community. What you will not find, is any profanity, vulgarity or any put down of any of your members.

Your choice, what would you rather have? People that share information on a development and improvement on a product, or people who call out members with open confrontation and profanity in italicizes?
why does he use the word , our product ??? if he is not with them ???

[brett567]

John, the kryptonite looks like a really nice piece! Im gonna put a 250XS on it.. As for everyone else i will have some pictures later tonight of some more work ect...

[blkmtrfan]

Thanks Brett for getting this thread back on track :cool:

Looking forward to your pics :)

And I agree that Kryptonite looks awsome ;)






PS, I like both Greg and Ted and hope they can come to terms on this :o

[RotorHead]

“The King has no clothes”

I’m not going to enter into a kindergarten name calling contest with your die hard members, nor deviate off on a tangent of discussing steroids (which is illegal up here) with someone who is obviously intimately familiar… I rest my case.

But I can see (by the fact that you guys are up until all hours of the morning) that I have struck a nerve by calling you out these sensitive issues. I’m sure Greg, that you are doing the best you can, from your own prospective, to balance the issue of ‘not providing favoritism’ to any particular manufacturer. By the way, I would not have brought names into this discussion, nor will I damage any manufacturer’s reputation by publicizing any misfortune any may have had (I can think of three). Bad luck can happen to anyone, including us (yes I use the term ‘us’ and ‘we’ on purpose) and it’s not my intention to air someone else’s laundry. I will not respond to who and what, in spite of your dissection of each one of my words… Raceman.

This whole thing started by a simple question, which has still been left unanswered. How are my posts any different than this one? Pictures of the building process, assembly, rigging and questions answered on how the product runs thereafter.

This simple little question has agitated you so much that you have chosen to attack Mark (who does not even log on here anymore) with allegations of sending people on here to do his dirty business for him. It is this that I (and he) find hurtful and is simply untrue! It is for this reason, I took it upon myself to question your approach to, “take the moral high road”. The marine industry is a dirty business and it does not need anymore mud slinging. At some point you and your administrators, perhaps at the behest of your sponsors, decided that my posts could be construed as advertising. I honestly don’t know when this happened, when I crossed that line, but it sure seemed like all of a sudden, you were coming at me guns blazing. So I took on the challenge and thought I’d ask all the questions that people are talking about but aren’t saying on here.


I was just going to post this and noticed a private message… thanks Gene … I guess it’s the nature of the beast, eh? We go through this belligerent phase when we think we are being attacked and then the gloves are off… I will give your suggestion some thought, but I think I’m pretty close to being banned myself and I doubt I’d be accepted back into this community on an amicable basis. Thanks for your effort anyway…

Ted

[RBT]

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117862

Just to level the playing feild a little.

Brett567 states in the above thread that he is a dealer.

RT

[Chummy]

SPLAT!!! the sound of sh*& hitting the fan :eek:

[THE HOSER]

you know i dont think that brett567 really said anything wrong we are the ones asking questions about the boat

[lightspeed]

Hey Brett Heres A Few More Going Into The Upholstery Shop For A Trick Cabin And Cockpit Interior Then I Will Bring It home To Start On the rigging .I Have everything To Put It together .Lots Of trick Parts

[RBT]

you know i dont think that brett567 really said anything wrong we are the ones asking questions about the boat

And that makes what Ted did with the Tuff different how?

[1BadAction]

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117862

Just to level the playing feild a little.

Brett567 states in the above thread that he is a dealer.

RT

Cute, So brett567 is a freeloader also.

Touché

[Riverman]

Hell, at least it's easier'n debatin' politics and religion in the lounge. Summa' them guys actually put forth some reasonable arguments on them' topics.Geez, was that a compliment?:D :D :D

[Scream And Fly]

Thread locked.

Greg