Wax on, Wax off

[PHISH]

everyone has diferent products and methods they usde to make their boat shiny.
How do you clean your boat and how do you kewep it shiny. What product do you find has worked the best? :confused:

[chris_lacey]

DriWash and Guard. Good protection and no build up around vinyl numbers etc.

Matt your boat is automotive paint, so any good auto product. I used bottom wax from CTC as well. A thick product you apply with a sponge and leave on. It doesn't stop the crap from growing, but it comes off with a cloth at the beach.

[22VelocityProMax300]

Phish, I have had real good luck on both the boat and my black 2005 Ranier using Zaino products.I wash first using Meguiars gold class wash. Claybar the flat surfaces, rinse,then use Zaino Z2pro sealant,followed by their Grand finale detail spray. On follow up washes,I just use the Gold Class Wash and follow up with the Grand Finale Spray,it leaves the finish with great depth and is really slick. Zaino sealant is one of the best for lasting a long time before you have to re-apply it. As a hobby, in my retirement,I detailed about 15 cars from April till the end of October,my customers really like the "Zaino" look. Frank

[pyro]

Greg uses a product called "lack of use." Just leave it in the garage and dust it off with a dash duster every few months. :D

[sosmerc]

I agree with Greg..."Lack of Use" is the finest product available, provided a cover or garage is used along with it!

[150aintenuff]

gregs product isnt called LACK OF use it is called ZERO USE lack of use destroys boats ZERO use keeps it like new..

[SUPAJAY]

I used Mothers cleaner wax and instant detailer every time i wash it.

[Scream And Fly]

Hey hey guys, that's not nice. ;) :D

I do actually wax the boat, even though it's not used. I don't like using polymer products like Zaino on fiberglass gelcoat. I generally like Zymol products, but not the kind you find in Auto Zone.

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[150aintenuff]

only way to curtail the crap is to use the boat.. only thing stopping me from usin mine is the fact I aint got the parts to get it together yet..... if I had yours it would be out EVERY weekend kicken ARSE and takin names..

[Scream And Fly]

I have to use the boat 4 more times for:

PCU evaluation
Digatron evaluation
SVS+PCU evaluation
Flat panel for programming PCU (custom install)

Then, it's retired for good. :)

Helmut and I have more than enough projects in the pipeline to keep us very busy.

Greg

[150aintenuff]

just cause its a work boat doesnt mean you cant use it for recreation.... seriously though.. why dont you go boating with it more often...

[Scream And Fly]

I don't want to hijack this thread, so I'll make it quick :)

The boat is useful to me for articles/evaluations on S&F. Other than that, I really have no desire to use it. I have a greater desire to write more evaluations, though. S&F is just more important to me.

Greg

[Tango]

Wax is junk. It ruins your boat's finish all the while making you think you are protecting it. Waxing is a farce and its like a cocaine addiction.

If you truly want to seal the finish and make the surface last you have to use a polymer that repels not only water but other contaminents too. Waxes absorb water scum and retain chemicals found within some bodies of water where many of us boat.

I recommend using a true polymer barrier that will protect and seal your boat's finish whether it be painted or gelcoat. Corrosion Technologies "Rejex" (http://www.corrosionx.com/rejex.html) is light years ahead of any wax or polish. It forms a bond with your surface and doesn't allow anything to stick to it. If applied properly, masking tape won't even stick! It leaves no residue on the decals, you can put it on lexan fairings and windows. You can even coat your outdrives and lower units to keep them clean.

I've coated both my truck and my wife's car with Rejex. Bugs refuse to stick to the paint or windshield and washing takes just moments to wet the vehicle and dry with a chamois. I coated the aluminum wheels on my truck with Rejex and the brake dust disappears with a shot from the airhose.

Now... what is this stuff and what was it truly designed for??? Chemsol designs these products for the aerospace industry. They sell and market it to companies like CorrosionX for resale as other products like Rejex. I've been selling their MIL-spec version of Rejex for some time and its designed use is for jet aircraft coating. Its a coating that does not allow the jet turbine exhaust to attach itself to the paint surface and for the leading edges of wings where the attachment of bugs is detrimental to the performance of an airplane's wing. How is that true? Bugs sticking to the leading edge of a wing that flies into Known Icing conditions creates a serious safety hazard by giving ice formations "traction" on the wing's surface. We have all heard about airplanes that have crashed due to icing of the wings. Applying this coating to the wings does not allow the bugs to stick once hey have been smashed. They simply smear away at the speeds these aircraft attain.

The benefit for us is that technology prevails and through some adaptation of this technology it works for our purposes. If you try it... you will never wax a car or boat again. You just won't ever want to hurt the paint like that. Lets not even talk about how many steps Sal Zaino wants you to use before applying his top coat. Or Zymol... they want you to have a perfect concours surface to begin with.

Rejex is not a stripper polish or the fix all for ugly finishes. If you have a good looking finish and want to eliminate a majority of the upkeep, this is the product to use.

I sell the Rejex for $20.00 per bottle, and the better MilSpec version for $40/bottle.

Let the flaming begin!!

[oldstv]

I am a sucker for snake oil. Can you tell a difference between the over the counter and the mil spec?

[Tango]

I am a sucker for snake oil. Can you tell a difference between the over the counter and the mil spec?

Yes you can... The MIL-Spec version has a better luster on gelcoated surfaces because of its petroleum distillates additive. It also seems to last longer because it was designed for a more aggressive environment. Below is the thread that might answer any questions about this coating. I sell both coatings. Rejex is easier to get, and my "Snake Oyl" has to come from a 5 gallon jug that I buy bottles for. So the extra cost goes into the product and prep to sell.

http://www.byuboyz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11967

Hope this all helps.

[pirogue]

tango, it sounds like you would own alot of stock in this product..lol sounds like good stuff.

i'm on the tug now, when i get home i'll get with ya.

[Scream And Fly]

MIL-Spec version has a better luster on gelcoated surfaces because of its petroleum distillates additive. .


Just about all waxes and polishes use petroleum distillates. Most of the good waxes and polishes do not use it.

Greg

[Tango]

Just about all waxes and polishes use petroleum distillates. Most of the good waxes and polishes do not use it.

Greg
Sure... and those contain microfine abrasives to clean the surface to a "Fine" polished look. They also chalk up and wear down the painted surface each use. Pure wax goes right back to the beginning of my post as a detriment to waterborn vehicles and eventually clouds the surface finish, needing MORE effort to remove the old wax before the habit continues to apply MORE wax.

This product eliminates that need to continually "3-step" your cleaning process. I washed my boat this week after running in the San Jacinto river and Houston Ship Channel by just using simple Baby Wipes and a soft terry towel to dry the moisture. Great shine, hardly any effort required.

I'd send you some to try, but that would mean having to actually put your boat in the water... LOL! No offense intended... I found a great product that I'm willing to stand behind and I'm just sharing the experiences I have found with others. Your results may vary, some assembly required.

[Scream And Fly]

I understand what you're saying, but your response has nothing to do with petroleum additives.

Most pro-grade polishes and waxes do not contain cleaning agents. It almost sounds like you're just referring to the 'Auto Zone products', which usually do. Just about all single-step products contain some cleaning agent (like petroleum additives). You should look more closely at the pro-level products.

On the contrary to real (organic) waxes, polymers form a much tighter bond with the surface, and in many situations, discoloration and clouding can occur since contaminants will easily become trapped under and between layers. Further, products like Zaino (polymer) require certain steps to remove theirs, since it will layer - and that can be a very bad thing.

Yes, polymers last the longest, by far. A polymer-based product will outperform an organic-based product in almost every way. I just don't like the pitfalls of using polymers. I know polymer-based products have their die-hard users, just like organic-based products have theirs. Whatever works for each person is the right choice. ;)

Greg

[RNM018]

I generaly use a dock to rub the oxidation off the gelcoat , and when it realy needs to shine I'll run it through somebodys rooster tail . Rich martin 018 :D

[jphii]

I must be missing something: Boats are supposed to shine? Doesn't that just highlight the scratches & dings? I'm trying the Tango cure. Just the release factor built into the product makes it worth it for me.

[150aintenuff]

I don't want to hijack this thread, so I'll make it quick :)

The boat is useful to me for articles/evaluations on S&F. Other than that, I really have no desire to use it. I have a greater desire to write more evaluations, though. S&F is just more important to me.

Greg



Weekend evaliations.... adds to the content of the site, AND gets that boat wet... + you can give a step by step prep speech on this thread on how you shine up that there unused boat of yours to go test 1 item and then how sunday afternoon you get to do it all over again cause the water spots are eating the top coat of shine and you have to go through the sete by step process all over again.....


I figured it out why you dont use it....... it would take you all week again to re shine it up....... I agree with RNM018... docks offer the best oxidation removal..

[1BadAction]

Zaino does not require removing previous layers. it is designed to be layered, and is pretty much 100% optically perfect. wheras organic wax will not layer, and is only about 80%. I have upwards of 15 coats between z5 and z2pro on my car with z-7 between coats and grand finale if I take it to a show. the metallic purple has a deep and rich wet look, pops in the light like nothing else, and no swirls are visible anytime. of course, you cant apply it over a dirty car, but thats the same for any wax thats worth anything...

lets see the proof mr expert detailer tango, wheres the car show best in class trophys? wheres the show & shine medals? how about the sunscreen to protect the paint color? what about optical clarity? Zaino is used by Ferarri, Lambo, Mazerati, and Rolls-Royce (among others) from the factory. what about your stuff? :rolleyes:

Show me a black or dark blue/purple car in the sun that you cant see ANY swirl marks, where only rejex was used... you cant, because its not possible. Talk about that garbage to someone that details show cars and half million dollar+ exotics for 1000 bucks a pop, and he would laugh right in your face.

Nothing done right is done fast or cheap, if you do something fast and cheap, its not done right. :cool:

[150aintenuff]

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Nothing done right is done fast or cheap, if you do something fast and cheap, its not done right. :cool:


I would beg to differ... wax arena maybe but there are things that can be "done right" that can be done CHEAP and fast..

[PHISH]

I am thinking if picking up a couple of bottles of rejex. Would you ship to canada?

[1BadAction]

I would beg to differ... wax arena maybe but there are things that can be "done right" that can be done CHEAP and fast..

what the fuk is the whole thread about? or did you post that just to read your own typing? :rolleyes:

[Tango]

lets see the proof mr expert detailer tango, wheres the car show best in class trophys? wheres the show & shine medals? how about the sunscreen to protect the paint color? what about optical clarity? Zaino is used by Ferarri, Lambo, Mazerati, and Rolls-Royce (among others) from the factory. what about your stuff? :rolleyes:

Show me a black or dark blue/purple car in the sun that you cant see ANY swirl marks, where only rejex was used... you cant, because its not possible. Talk about that garbage to someone that details show cars and half million dollar+ exotics for 1000 bucks a pop, and he would laugh right in your face.

Nothing done right is done fast or cheap, if you do something fast and cheap, its not done right. :cool:

I will agree that Sal Zaino has some great stuff. Lets get into the right ballpark here since you decidedly have your feathers all out of detail. Not anywhere did I say that Rejex is a substitute for special show waxes. What it does is protect the surface and leave an amazing shine that will not allow water scum to attach to it. If you want to go talk car crap I can suggest 50 different websites that are great for arguing who has the best wax. However, this is a BOATING forum and what applies to this thread is what works best for boating use.

Also, if you want to apply Rejex over your special show finishes, you may certainly do that and seal the shine. visit their website don't just take it from me.

As for my Best Of Show trophies... I have nine of them. I also have numerous other trophies, magazine articles, three Editor's Choice Awards, one SEMA show award and the backing from three different manufacturers which whom I have worked for in the past. I am not boasting this stuff for my financial get rich quick scheme.

I used it, it works, it is very simple and economical. I recommend it. Same as I would to a steak house here in Texas if you were to ask where I think the best steaks are served. You might not like them.... but I sure do.

[JW]

Starbright Marine with UV inhibitors and Teflon on gel boats. Works great, lasts long, keep the red stripes from fading.....................

[pyro]

Star-brite is loaded with heavy abrasive cleaners. Makes a terrible boat look a lot better, and lasts a while, but I wouldn't use it on my boat, not after all the fine-cut rotary polishing I've done to make it glass-perfect...