Differents Of A Euro To A 4-seater River Rocket????

[beer30]

I know that the River Rocket is about 100 lbs. lighter, and the River Rocket can have a short shaft engine mounted to it. Which one is more comfortable to ride in for extended period of time? Do they both ride the same in rough water? From pic's I saw, it looks like the River Rocket has more free-board, is this true? Thanks, Chuck.

[Dutch]

Chuck,
you definately want the euro. i had both. the river rocket is real
crowded if you want to sit two up front. and youre not a 5'4" 140
guy. the euro has much more room for the coolers and the rest of
your gear. the euro being heavier will take rougher water. my rocket
was kevlar and it sounded like it was going to break in half last year
at the conn river run once it started getting rough. my rocket was
in the 600 pound range though, at least 100 lighter than the standard
lay up. a euro weighs in about 125 heavier than a reg. weight rocket
if i am correct. if youre just looking for a real fast ride for a second
boat then the rocket is the ticket, but from what i know of you and
tracy and your boating likes i would recommend the euro. i will let
you and tracy take mine for a ride at the conn. river run if you want.
i guess i owe you for all the suckers she gave me at the romp.
take care,
Matt

[Dutch]

the euro can go 15" also.

[OceanmarineB]

Chuck,
you definately want the euro. i had both. the river rocket is real
crowded if you want to sit two up front. and youre not a 5'4" 140
guy. the euro has much more room for the coolers and the rest of
your gear. the euro being heavier will take rougher water. my rocket
was kevlar and it sounded like it was going to break in half last year
at the conn river run once it started getting rough. my rocket was
in the 600 pound range though, at least 100 lighter than the standard
lay up. a euro weighs in about 125 heavier than a reg. weight rocket
if i am correct. if youre just looking for a real fast ride for a second
boat then the rocket is the ticket, but from what i know of you and
tracy and your boating likes i would recommend the euro. i will let
you and tracy take mine for a ride at the conn. river run if you want.
i guess i owe you for all the suckers she gave me at the romp.
take care,
Matt

Chuck I agree with Dutch's statements.. The Euro has almost as much room as you your 21 Skater, the River Rocket has as much room as a 6ft dingy :D but its a good amount lighter and slightly faster then the Euro. Also the Euro due to the added weight takes Chop better then the Rocket. We have two Euro's and one River Rocket in stock if you would like to come by one day and check out the differences first hand.

[OceanmarineB]

Chuck, there's a picture of both boats in this Thread when there both on the trailer and you can see how much closer together you seat in the River Rocket http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92081&page=3&highlight=2.5xs

[Jeff "Yammer"]

If you are looking for a "Family" STV ... the Euro is the way to go. If it were me I would go with the RiverRocket in a 4 seater configuration. The new Allison style seats add to the front end room , but the Euro is the ultimate speed & cruise boat. But then again I run a ModVP ..... but have no kids either.

Yammer

[beer30]

the euro can go 15" also.
What would you have to do to use a 15" mid on the Euro? They list on the Triad web-site that you can use a 15" on the River Rocket, but not on the Euro? :confused: About 3 years ago, I remember seeing a article in Performance and Family Boating about the Euro. In a side bar, they had a Euro with a 300 Drag engine that had a shortie on it. Very cool looking boat with the Merc colors. But never really told you how they used the 15" mid on it.Chuck.

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Triad will build you a short transom Euro or you can go with jackplate that will let you run a 15 on a 20 boat. Thats what I'm doing ......... or just get the transom done by a good glass guy if buying used,

Yammer

[stvhelm]

You'll need a 20" mid on any stv model unless you either cut the transom down or use a short jackplate. The bottoms and transoms are the same any will fit any deck. also note; There were 2 bottoms that were available with the difference being the center sponson.


edit: jeff I didnt see your reply when I posted

[Hot Shot Merc]

I have driven my buddys (Euro Scott) Euro and in the slightly ruff to ruff water you will need windshield washers for your sunglasses :rolleyes: My River Rocket sneezed some at times out the tunnell and in my face but the Euro in any type of heavy chop at low to mid range RPM will soak your face.But the Euro is deffinetly a killer four seat boat that hauls the mail.Lot of room and the rear sun pad is a plus.If all I had was a calm lake or river the Euro would be my pick for a family speed boat.

[beer30]

You'll need a 20" mid on any stv model unless you either cut the transom down or use a short jackplate. The bottoms and transoms are the same any will fit any deck. also note; There were 2 bottoms that were available with the difference being the center sponson.


edit: jeff I didnt see your reply when I posted
Would somebody see enough gain in performance and ride quality to be worth the cost? Would the lower center of gravity be worth the trouble of doing this? I know the COOL factor would be there, but to do the mid-section and pay the extra money for transom be worth it? Chuck

[ProComp]

Would somebody see enough gain in performance and ride quality to be worth the cost? Would the lower center of gravity be worth the trouble of doing this? I know the COOL factor would be there, but to do the mid-section and pay the extra money for transom be worth it? Chuck

Not worth it in my opinion unless you have a 15" motor already. Your right that it looks cooler but I don't know that there is really a performance gain. Buddy just did it on his rocket perhaps he'll comment. Helmets running a 20"?

Hot Shot Merc - try the up trim button buddy :D

Also agree wtih Dutch. Good post Matt.

ProComp

[AnthonySS]

[QUOTE=Hot Shot Merc] but the Euro in any type of heavy chop at low to mid range RPM will soak your face.[QUOTE]

Too Funny HSM...

Like Brad said , trim out and the MIST will not be an issue;)

[OceanmarineB]

Chuck, The 20" is just fine, I don't think on the Euro especially in sub 120mph you really would notice a handling difference to justify the cost. Not to menchine helmut came close to the 130mph mark in his Euro with a 20" motor. The two Euro's we have in stock are 20" and the River Rocket is 15" and we would be more then happy to give you a test drive in either before the end of the season :) I think seeing it in person and getting in both boats will really help your decision.

[Hot Shot Merc]

Guys,I have been doing this many years and I know all about the trim button and how it plays into the attitude of the nose.Trim doesnt make the nose of the boat lift till at a higher speed or RPM.Its the low end cruising speed and when accelerating from just on plane that I'm talking about.Maybe its just because I am so fat :eek: an extra 250 lbs forward in a Euro may be the reason. ;)

[AnthonySS]

From STVowners.com

"I'm Getting a little Misty Eyed

At low speeds with trim in (about 20-30 mph), A mist or slight spray of water will come off the port sponson and sprinkle you and passengers in the face. Bump the trim out and speed up some (say 40 mph) and the shower will stop. "

;)

[ProComp]

Guys,I have been doing this many years and I know all about the trim button and how it plays into the attitude of the nose.Trim doesnt make the nose of the boat lift till at a higher speed or RPM.Its the low end cruising speed and when accelerating from just on plane that I'm talking about.Maybe its just because I am so fat :eek: an extra 250 lbs forward in a Euro may be the reason. ;)

Rob, don't you mean Muscle? :)

[beer30]

So I should figure that I am going to need alot of trim up-buttom, considering I weigh more then Rob!!! :rolleyes: :eek: :D Chuck.

[AnthonySS]

CHUCK,

Don't think of it as using more trim then Rob...but more like Going FASTER then Rob:D

[beer30]

Triad will build you a short transom Euro or you can go with jackplate that will let you run a 15 on a 20 boat. Thats what I'm doing ......... or just get the transom done by a good glass guy if buying used,

Yammer
What kind of jackplate are you refering too? :confused: I really am clueless on that one! :rolleyes: Chuck.

[Lost In Space]

Chuck, I'm in the near 240lb range and mine, which Dutch now owns, ran best with very little positive trim.

[rpm racing]

Chuck,

If you want to run a 15" mid on a 20" transom call Hydrodynamics they make a 7" or 8" plate that you can use. I would not reccomend it on a light weight boat, not only is the plate big at 7" the mid has another 2" built into it. On a euro with a heavy motor it might be the best setup?? I would say just run a 20 on a 20 or a 15 on a 15.

[euro scott]

in regards to robs post about the spray in the face, it not a big deal if your not in salt water, but it gets me too and i weigh 170#, i think i need some sort of windscreen because im 6'3, wouldnt need much, but like a 4" lexan would do the trick, or next time i order one i have the seat lowered

[beer30]

in regards to robs post about the spray in the face, it not a big deal if your not in salt water, but it gets me too and i weigh 170#, i think i need some sort of windscreen because im 6'3, wouldnt need much, but like a 4" lexan would do the trick, or next time i order one i have the seat lowered
Having the seat lowered would be a great idea. I am 6'3" also, so that would work for me also. I think all tunnels must have this problem(spray in the face), my Skater did that also, when you weren't going fast enough.Chuck.

[beer30]

Is your boat the one on the Triad web-site, under custom? :confused: The one I am refering to is Yellow and Purple with some White sitting on a custom Yellow trailer? :cool: Chuck.

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Chuck,

If you want to run a 15" mid on a 20" transom call Hydrodynamics they make a 7" or 8" plate that you can use. I would not reccomend it on a light weight boat, not only is the plate big at 7" the mid has another 2" built into it. On a euro with a heavy motor it might be the best setup?? I would say just run a 20 on a 20 or a 15 on a 15.

I will be running that same Jackplate that Paul ran. 7" back and yes , plus the 2" built into the 15" mid. My boat is 618lbs and I am only 160lbs . With that being said I sit farther forward than a RR or Euro . The boat will be a much better & faster boat than the way it was at 5 1/2" of set-back ...... FOR SURE !!!
My last STV ModVP was only 490lbs and with my 425lb Yamaha it would have been happier to have a 4" Jackplate on it ........... but it drove like a dream !! PERFECT actually !
If it were me I would build Euro and slap on the last year 300X ( with the oil injection removed ) with a 4" Hydrodynamics jackplate on it ............ that would be the near mint lake rocket/beach & beer cruiser . It may not be the best single seat Euro out there but it would rock with a cooler and three chick's in the boat with ya ................... :D

Jeff

[Trikki1010]

You guys with the mist in your face drive TOO SLOW :eek: :eek:

I'm 6'-1 210 lbs and I don't get wet 'til I get home :D

[ProComp]

If it were me I would build Euro and slap on the last year 300X ( with the oil injection removed ) with a 4" Hydrodynamics jackplate on it ............ that would be the near mint lake rocket/beach & beer cruiser . It may not be the best single seat Euro out there but it would rock with a cooler and three chick's in the boat with ya ................... :D

Jeff[/QUOTE]

Holy crap, I actually agree with Yammer! LOL Just kidding Jeff.
Now I just need a 300x and three chicks! Got the Euro and a cooler!

B-RAD

[Tom Foley]

I have a Euro and like all the guys have said it's a mister at a certain speed and while slowing off plane ,but the benefits of room both in the cockpit and under the rear hatch quickly do away with the annoyance of the mist . Like Trikki said , if your getting wet you're going too slow !!

[Hot Shot Merc]

I have driven Euro Scotts Euro to over 110(112)mph to be exact on GPS SEVERAL TIMES with his 2004 stock 280 consumer Merc 20' and it handled great.Nice and stable. :)

[Hot Shot Merc]

Hey Chuck,Dont count out the T-4 by Full Throttle Powerboats.Jack Barsh builds one of the best boats in the Hot boating world as well.Check them out here www.fullthrottlepowerboats.com

[Trikki1010]

Like others have said,

The little extra weight gives alot towards stability when it gets a little rough. It will tend to cut a little more of the wave and not react like a lighty light boat and get bounced. Very close top end when you work your set-up and the extra space is a dream.

Normally when you hit a flotilla, you have to jump ship in order to have a good time :p

By NO MEANS, does this endorse the Euro as a rough water boat....If you play in the rough (2'+), you will.

1. Stick a sponson in a wave
2. Break Boat
3. GET VERY WET :eek: :eek:

Hmmmmmmmmm, 2 out of 3 ain't bad :p

[beer30]

Hey Chuck,Dont count out the T-4 by Full Throttle Powerboats.Jack Barsh builds one of the best boats in the Hot boating world as well.Check them out here www.fullthrottlepowerboats.com
Just looked at the Fullthrottlepowerboat site, you get a very impressive amount of standard equipment with the boat from the get go!!!! :cool: And the price is really low for what you get? :) Chuck.

[halveb]

I have my eyes on a T-4 and talked to Jack Barsh at Jasper this year. Seemed like a straight up guy. Everyone I have heard who has owned the boat says they are a great boat and the price is reasonable too.

A friend of mine is trying to talk me out of it on account of it is lighter than a Euro. I am a little concerned about lake use since it weights in about 100 pounds lighter than a Euro. I wasn't able to see the T-4 at Jasper but there was a T-3 there and it was absolutely beautiful. Bottom is definetely different than an STV although I have no experience with either bottom so I can't say what the characteristic of either one are.

Both boats are a good choice but I prefer the deck of the Quartershot boat. It has about six inches of exposed sponson that goes back to the stern which would aid in getting into the boat on the beach or from deep water.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

[Ripper]

What are the differences of the T4 and an Euro??? I'm thinking within the next year or two, I'll get a Euro or T4... Which is better for pleasure cruising on the Mississippi River... Mostly just wakes not very choppy (chop is only about 6 to 10 inches at most...

Ripper

I had my heart set on a Euro but now am wavering... I would love to find a used Euro only a few years old... Blah blah blah...

I love my hydrostream Vegas XT but in a year or two I will want more speed...

[Dutch]

Id like to know what scotts speed secret is. 114 with a
29 @7750. we were in waynes euro last weekened it took
8400 w/a 29 to get 110. back when larry had my boat
it only did 101-103 with a 28 et at 7750. not trying to
start anything here, just want to know what i am doing
wrong. are you running a small gear case or something?

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Must be geared cause 7750 with a 29 works out to 0% slip and we all know thats not possible !!!

[Hot Shot Merc]

If your asking about me I never mentioned it was a 29.Who have you been talking with? It also wasnt 114 it was 112,could have been 111.Yes it is a modified 29 Mazco most likely around a 30 or bigger at the tips and it ran over 7800-7850 rpms.Not all consumer motors stop exactly at 7750.To all you sceptics it was with a Gaffrig 120 mph needle style gps.It appered to be just over 111.Make it what ya want.I would be glad to borrow Scotts boat and go do it again and post pics of the GPS if ya dont believe it :D

[Tango]

The combo on my STV ModVP was sweet with no spray or hop. It just felt great and balanced. I'm now cutting the transom down to a 15" so I can run the 15 or 12" Champ center section with a Speedmaster case. Now I have to wander what setback I'll need as the plate I have now will not fit.

Any ideas?

[Dutch]

hot shot,
scott posted those numbers on the whos boat goes over 100
thread. he said 7750 w 29 mazco @114 gps. just wondering
if he did anything special to get that number like a trick gearcase
or what? maybe the prop is not really a 29.

[Riverratt]

Maybe Wayne and Dutch dont know how to drive. :eek:

[Hot Shot Merc]

Scott bought my old lab merc32 cleaver from me.Maybe he had that prop on to run 114.I ran the 32 on mine at 7800 at 110.I am convinced though without a doubt that his Mazco aint no 29.It is stamped 29 but runs like a 30 or bigger. :)

[WR_Merc]

Ralph are you on those meds yet,You make chief Mat mad and he will open a can of whop ass, What would know about speeds over 80 he he:cool:

[beer30]

Are you thinking of getting an STV? ;) Remember 80 is just cruising in an STV :eek: , big jump from the Skicraft, oh I mean Sleekcraft. :D Chuck.

[Trikki1010]

It is stamped 29 but runs like a 30 or bigger. :)

I got a V-6 Mustang that runs like a Saleen :eek: :rolleyes:

That's like Greg and I telling Helmut (busting balls) We went out on the Sacandaga and ran 128 in my Euro w/ a 4 blade 32 and 8200 limiter.

Helmut went crazy for the rest of the evening because.....

THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP :confused: :confused:

We like to keep it honest :p My best friend Brett (Dirty Bert) was telling us he was running 115 in an RR. He was running nice, but not 115. We slipped the GPS between his seats and 103 was the magic number.... ;)

Rob, NOT busting your balls or Scott's. Not saying his Euro can't do the 114....Matt just waxed his lower and was feeling a little antsy :D :D

[Trikki1010]

And depending on cupping, I know you can add 1" to 2" in the calculator ;)

[beer30]

What kind of slip numbers are you looking for with a STV? :confused: Chuck.

[rpm racing]

Slip #'s on a euro can be anywhere from 7-11 and a rocket around 9-13. Rockets have more slip than euros

[AnthonySS]

Cool topic Chuck

One point I would like to bring up…if you have the opportunity to stand-on the throttle for a 5 to 10 mile long in an STV…you will be amazed at the top end number you will get with NO increase in Engine RPM…

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You will actually notice a speed increase with no RPM gain and the boat will literally feel like a ball bearing rolling on a steel track.

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The reason the speed goes up, is because the slip is going down or the efficiency is increasing. I have seen slip numbers in the +/- 6% with cleaver props which are the props that tend to slip more (less rake and bite). On short runs the slip on a cleaver has been as high as 13%...so literally it all depends on the prop used and weather you are on a short or long run.

I should also note this is on a dialed in and well setup STV. Too many new owners expect the big numbere "Right out of the box"....seat and set up time...vital

[halveb]

Ripper,

Not having owned either boat the differences I mention here are from observation and specualtion not direct exeperience. The Euro is about 100 pounds heavier than the T-4 which leads to speculation that it is more stout. I don't know if that is the case but suspect the construction might be a little more conservative.

The Euro is a little longer. I believe a Euro is 19 feet and a T-4 is 18 feet 2 inches but don't quote me on that.

The bottoms are different and I can't explain exactly the difference but I could attempt to draw the T-4 bottom as I saw a T-3 at Jasper and looked closely at it (basically the pad is a box and it looks as though they add poles on either side in the mold - difficult to explain but if you saw it you would understand).

Some have said that you don't get the spray in the T-4 that you get in the Euro. I don't know if that is true but if it is it could be because the center section of the T-4 doesn't extend out as far as the sponsons which they do on the Euro.

They are roughly the same on interior room with the Euro having perhaps a slight advantage but if so not much.

The T-4 has the option of extensions that can be added to the end of the hull for drag racing they help with planing, I have never heard of the Euro with that option but it might also offer it.

The nose of the T-4 is curved which may lead to greater strength than the more or less flat nose of the Euro. Of course, that is one area that you hope never has to be tested for strength.

The name STV is associated with very high quality boats and deservedly so. The Quartershot name is well respected but since the company is newer it cannot possibly have the same reputation (not to say that some day they won't be thought of the same as an STV) but at present resale on an STV I would assume would be greater.

[RBT]

My STV River rocket ran 17% slip. One other friends that ran BIG numbers too also ran in the 16-18% slip range.
I think that too many people dwell on slip, in my world the only number that matters is the MPH. If I am going 135 and get 25% slip........ I am happy.

Also consider that most tach's that I have seen are off by a few hundred RPM ( put an inductive pick up on the motor and see ), and with the progressive pitch props, when you run high motor heights you run on the blade tips which are a different pitch than what is stamped on the prop.
If you ever put say a 28 ET on a pitch wheel, it is more like a 29.5 as an example.


I owned a pile of STV's and can say day to day the Euro is a WAY better boat, but if you wanna go fast there is only one way to do it and that is in a Rocket. And don't bother with 2 seats up front, there isn't enough room. I am 6'1" 205 and cannot sit beside anyone other than a child comfortably. Mine had buckets.

RT

[AnthonySS]

Another good point by RT....to elaborate



Prop labeling is NOT an exact Science, but rather an averaging;)

[Hot Shot Merc]

Thanx for makeing my point a little more clear. :)

[Jeff "Yammer"]

[QUOTE=RB. And don't bother with 2 seats up front, there isn't enough room. I am 6'1" 205 and cannot sit beside anyone other than a child comfortably. Mine had buckets.

RT[/QUOTE]

Hahaha .... ya tubby , your just too big !!! The RiverRocket is nice but I much prefer the high speeds 110+ in a ModVP deck . Just my preference though .

I am one that would only buy STV ( any builder ) , QuarterShot , Allison and maybe the new Hydrostream Venom . I feel that these builders have their boats quality and the owners best interest in mind. I would love to personally spend the time and do a motor swap on all four boats with a 280 w/regular 260 style digital electronics and record the best speeds and handling for all and just actually see what the pro's and cons are of each . All I need is time and money to do that and a good hand .......... but it would be great to see and get the best out of each boat , one at a time then swap the motor to the next hull .

Yammer

[Jeff "Yammer"]

If I was going to order a new boat !!!!!! No question it would be a QuarterShot T3R ...... Jack is as good of a builder as Allison and Triad ( in my opinion anyway ) and it like the other's mentioned will be built to your spec's and the time will be taken to do it right !!! From what I know ( a few people's responces that own them ) they are on par in performance with Triad's STV's.

Yammer

[Trikki1010]

I am 6'1" 205 and cannot sit beside anyone other than a child comfortably. RT

Is that height or width YOU FAT BASTARD :eek: :eek:

And what's the deal with ONLY being able to sit next to children :confused:

I'm sure a toney blonde would make ya "squeeze" in :p

[2.5H]

I could never understand how Helmut did so much better in rough water than I did, and went out and bought a 20' Checkmate for busy weekends on The River. At the same time I replaced the stock mid-section on my Euro with a 20" off shore mid (like Helmut's) that weighed 30 lbs more. The totally unexpected improvement in rough water performance was huge, and the Checkmate is now for sale. Maybe a 3 litre would even make it better. The Euro is still not an off shore boat, but it's a quite versatile 18' ride!
Brad

[ProComp]

Or maybe a little more set back to accomplish the same thing????

[beer30]

Maybe a 3 litre would even make it better.
Brad[/QUOTE]
After listening to everybody here, I think I will find out for myself how a 3 litre runs on a Euro!!! :D :cool: Chuck

[Jeff "Yammer"]

As I said before the ultimate "Lake" STV for me would be a 300X on a Euro ....

Jeff

[RBT]

I think even the 250XS would be a nice peice too, seeing as the X is getting harder and harder to get.
Look at the Scream and Fly test that motor isn't light. It ran awsome.

Yammer you going to the sled show tonight?

RT

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Ya I'm going to the shammy & sticker show to look at some sled stuff .... you ? Call me actually !!!!! I'm off today ... since its a Friday as usual !!!! ahahahahaha ....

The 2.5xs article was pretty good ... I'm not sure 110 is there but .... ?????

Yammer

[euro scott]

let me clarify a couple things, my "29", is progressively pitched to like a 31 at the tips, also my 7750 rev limiter actually winds out to 8150, dont ask me why and im not going to complain, the fastest speed i ever ran it was when i took everything out of the boat that wasnt bolted down and the wind,weather, and ripple was perfect. on just an average day 111 or 112 is it ..im not sure what slip or all works out to be but thats how it is

[Tom Foley]

Scotts boat is both stunning and fast ! Back to the original question Euro or Rocket , Dutch says it all and it's true . If you want a fast comfortable ( as it could be ) four seater with room to pack a big cooler and lunch , the Euro is the way to go , but , it ain't no 21 Skater either ! Like most small boats it will punish you if you venture out of it's realm !!! I love mine .

[--mirage1--]

How can you calculate slip percentage when props do not measure to their size. My Mercury 28 ET is not a 28 it is less than 28. Same with my 26. Get your prop lasered to find out the actual size first.

[thunter764]

Chuck you might want to consider the bigger euro...Talon 22. I had a euro and it was a great boat until there was lots of lake traffic,then it was not fun anymore. The 22 Talon is very similar mod vp hull design to the euro with much deeper tunnels for much better rough water capabilities. Not as good as the Skater but a good compromise between the two. Plus it would be a great home for your 300x. It would probably run 105-110. If your looking new, the boats are being made in canada.

Tim Hunter

[Jeff "Yammer"]

They are getting 82 with a 2.5xs and 104 with a 300x on the new Talons and they are amaiZZZZing !!!!!!

Jeff

[OceanmarineB]

To me i think the Talon 22 might be pointless even though there a very nice boat. It's not as fast as the Euro and it can't take big water like a 21 Skater.

[thunter764]

Pointless to compare a 21 Skater to a 22 Talon in the rough ,yes. However its not pointless when we are talking mod vp bottom. And yes the Talon (at least the originals) is just about as fast as the euro if the power to weight ratio is even. And when it gets rough the Talon will say goodbye. And I can say that because I have owned both.

Now,with that said, if I boated on a lake with little traffic and wanted a lightweight single engine mod vp rocket, it would be hard to beat a euro. The only reason I sold the euro was because of the rough water thing. I bought a 21 Skater and it was awesome in wot rough water but everywhere else it was out of its element. Enter the 22 Talon, the best of both worlds. Great holeshoe,acceleration,cruising,midrange hit and very good rough water manners.

[ProComp]

Based on my experience I have to say a 22 Talon would be at least 10 mph slower with the same power as a Euro. In a Drag race it would be several boat lengths in the 1/4.

[thunter764]

Read it carefully before you dissagree. I said with the same power to weight ratio. That means weight divided by horsepower. Yes the euro will be faster with the same power because it is lighter. My 94 euro with a stock 2.5 efi and fixed plate set for overall performance with a cle would run 106 light. The Talon was reported to run "90+" with the same power.

Of couse there again we could define faster. Some say top end and quarter mile. What about real world with varying conditions on a wot 15 mile run? On that I would put my seat in a talon.

Man after all this I feel the need to go to the water to put the hammer down!!

[godspeed]

chuck stick w what you already know get another skater . you know and everybody else knew how much you love them :cool:

[beer30]

22 Talons are nice looking boats, love the white one with 300 from North Jersey, but I am looking for a smaller pocket rocket type boat. I thought about another Skater, but I will never find one that I loved as much as my red one. :( And before I purchased it, I was thinking about a Euro. But did not know alot about them until I saw Helmut's and Trikki1010's. Since we now have the Yamaha jet-boat, I can look for something that is not so family-oriented( not that Skater was a family boat, but it was a good in-between kind of boat for us ). I want something that I can get my speed jollies from plus if I want, run it down the river to have dinner!!! ;) Chuck.

[thunter764]

Chuck you will probably like the euro better than the rocket, if anyone is ever going to ride with you.Your a pretty big fella and the rocket is pretty tight. Of course Traci would not have to reach as far the slap your head if your going too fast !! :D

Tim

[RBT]

As a died in the wool STV guy, I can honstly say the Talon 22 is one of the most fun boats I have ever driven. It runs like a big Euro, and day to day on the lake will be faster than a Euro as you can run in the rougher stuff. I have not been in the new Vacuum bagged Talons built by Speedmaster/Spaith. But this older one with a 2005 2.5 280 ran 97 mph with 2 of us in it. Ran in the 90's in two footers.


RT

[blkmtrfan]

Chuck, I have to admit, if I was looking for a new tunnel, I would probably want a 22 Talon as well. 97mph with a single 280 is impressive :cool:

[beer30]

I agree, but really want the Euro. I think are just very cool looking boats. :) Chuck

[Ripper]

My nxt boat will be a Euro or a Venom... haven't decided yet... need to drive / ride in each before I decide... I boat on the Mississippi River and at times there is a steady 6 to 10 inch chop... Not sure which would be better in that type of water???
I have seen JBF's Venom and it is HOT... I really like ProComp's Euro also...

Ripper

[beer30]

They are cool boats also :cool: , but can't hold a 300x. :rolleyes: Chuck.

[Ripper]

I'll take my 2.5 GPI worked Mercury and put it on the new ride... It may be a year or two away but I'll have one yet!!! I am leaning tward a Euro... I want to use it durring the week and race it on weekends... I have never driven a STV yet so time will tell... Perhaps I'll find a used on for a song that is solid???

Ripper

[Riverman]

I really like ProComp's Euro also...

Ripper
Brad will be happy to hear that. I have seen his boat, it is very nice.

[Dutch]

Chuck,
I have a near mint Euro that I can delviver for
you this week. Just add your 300 and go to
the Conn. River run this week.
Matt
call if you have any interest. 717-587-8078

[ProComp]

Did you blow that baby up again? Hope not.

ProComp

[Dutch]

b-rad,
no blow, it is all in one piece. I think i
have three tanks of fuel thru it now.
matt