Progressin 24 and 22 Questions

[Hot Shot Merc]

I dont read the threads about these boats you guys run up arond NY much but am now wondering about them.What kind of speeds does the 24 get with a 300X with and without full cabin interior?Does it like huge amounts of setback,what prop is best for top speed and wich is best for all around playing?and why do they favor the 25" motor at progression?...............I ask the same of the 22 progressin.Thanx my northern freinds...P.S I'll have more questions as the thread goes on.Rob :)

[progression22]

The reason the favor the 25 inch motor is beacuse they have a closed motor well. So when you have a 20 inch motor you are not able to trim the motor up all the way, unless you have a jackplate.

Now for the speed factor.
They say a 24 ld will go 91 or 92 but i don't feel it could go that fast. With a x on a 24ld the boat should go 84 to 87 mph.

The babyblue progression went 101 with a x, But the guy who owned it took all the extra weight out of it. The aveage 22 will go between 94 and 97 with the x.

[Hot Shot Merc]

So the 24 with the setback engine bracket/dive platform will accomidate the 20" motor rite?Also what about the lower unit,do the run fine with say a sportmaster (nosecone)?84-87 aint too bad for a 24 footer with a single engine.Do most of you run the 22' and how many of you have the 24 LD?Also what kind of dollar figure is the 24 with a 300 with trailer turnkey package?I know I will get a better idea from Progression themselves but a ballpark figure would be nice,also the 22,how much and will they rate it with a 300? :)

[jerry]

most 22's run in the mid 90s, except p22's his can only run 88 , cause he's fat !!!!!

[progression22]

Jerry, You have the motor that that went 91 on a 24. What's your excuse? Your fat, Your big fat head? You can't drive?

Jerry has a 24 with about 24 or 26 inches of setback. So i think you can put a 20 inch on it. If you are looking to buy a 24 with a 300 be ready to spend at least 30k to 45k on a used one.

[Scream And Fly]

Rob, the Progression 24LD Cuddy (my favorite) and 300X package should run about $85,000. It will run mid to high 80s with its full cabin interior. Probably the best built, best performing 24' V-bottom there is. The Progression 22 should run high 90s-100MPH with the same engine. More info here. (http://www.progressionboats.com/home/24LD%20OB.html)

http://www.progressionboats.com/home/images/Boats/Outboard/24LD/3%20low.jpg

http://www.progressionboats.com/home/images/Boats/Outboard/24LD/11%20low.jpg

http://www.progressionboats.com/home/images/Boats/Outboard/24LD/16%20low.jpg

[THE HOSER]

whats the steel tank for ???????

[THE HOSER]

joes 22 progression = speed 88 mph
jerrys 24 sled = speed 79.9 mph
hoser 21 superboat = speed 94.8 mph hahahahahahahahaha


all with the same motor 300x

[progression22]

The steel beam is for lifting the boat out of the water and if you think my boat goes 88 keep thinking that!!!! haha

[THE HOSER]

is that for after the boat sinks :D

[progression22]

When people like there boat they put hydrohoist in there backyards to pull the water out of the water. If they put one of those on a superboat the transom would fall apart.

Notice how hoser doesn't race anyone in rough water, he plays in the flats with the hydrostreams and stv's

[THE HOSER]

yea thats because guys like you cant keep up with me :D

[Scream And Fly]

Guys, I think Rob started this thread looking for real information, not this kind of thing.

[goinslow18]

Here We Go, The Pic's From 1980

[THE HOSER]

Biography:
I am in love with Jerry
Location:
longisland N.Y
Interests:
Taking Jerry on my slow boat
Occupation:
The headshop under the desk

[Hot Shot Merc]

In my opinion the Progression is over priced.I'm sure the materials and construction are the best they can be but damn!I like the boat and the numbers on GPS.The finish looks great too.I dont know.I'll give it some thought :)

[Scream And Fly]

Actually, when you research the materials they use and the standard equipment, Progressions are very favorably priced. You get what you pay for ;)

Wally from Triad summed it up best in one of his posts:


After looking at Progressions web site showing construction- theres not much else he can do to go to great lengths to build a high quality boat. (Unless he goes out an buys an Autoclave)

Best vinylester resin money can buy - best Balsa core money can buy- best reinforcement E glass money can buy-vacuum bagged construction process including the stringers....

Great website too

[CMC]

I thought that metal box was the base for a ski pole!

[SUPERBASH]

HotShot
If Bash didnt have a Superboat built for him... with more research he woulda bought a used Progression for the same money knowing the construction materials/methods used. Seriously.
(Bash just turned 4-0 ...& he was starting to get tired of sitting on the floor in 21's & 22's. He liked the 24 SB 'cause of its pedestal mounted seats...& higher freeboard....Deep Ocean Running Vee...etc. However...she is heavier & slower.)
Anyway...don't forget...

Bash's Towing Service
http://img132.echo.cx/img132/5821/towsmall3bw.jpg
For All Your Towing Needs!

[triple dude]

That's too much!!! :D :D :D :D :D

[Dirk Pitt]

$85000.00 plus tax = $92000.00 for a 24' boat!, once you get in that price range there are many choices, Im a firm believer of you get what you pay for, and Progression is a great boat but extremly expensive. one can make the argument that they use the best of everything, but all of the top manufactures use these materials and manufacturing techniques....

[blkmtrfan]

Rob I was trying to tell you to look in that direction when you were talking about a Baja ;)


Yet the new price is big....


However, considering that they use the best of materials and warranty the hull for 10 years, buying used isn't such a bad idea,

Did Mragu sell his yet? that boat looked sweet :cool:

[arrowwaves]

I dont read the threads about these boats you guys run up arond NY much but am now wondering about them.What kind of speeds does the 24 get with a 300X with and without full cabin interior?Does it like huge amounts of setback,what prop is best for top speed and wich is best for all around playing?and why do they favor the 25" motor at progression?...............I ask the same of the 22 progressin.Thanx my northern freinds...P.S I'll have more questions as the thread goes on.Rob :)
I can tell you my 24LD w/cuddy& rear seat would touch 72 on a pitot speedo it was powered by a 1991 3.4 L 275hp 25in 1.65-1 ,cosworth block Merc,16in of setback,w/23in mirage.In a week or so I will let you know how it runs w/250XS extended to 25in w/ 1.62-1 sportmaster,w/a 24 trophy to start then try to spin a 26. The boat is incredibly well built,quality throughout.I bought my boat on the aftermarket,Then I wandered into progression,Kevin sat my son and myself down in his conference room and spent the next hour of his time telling us about the boat. He gave me the manual for my model , offered to go out with me and show me how the boat can handle ( a standing offer). He treats me as if I just dropped 85,000 on a new rig. Progression is a QUALITY company.

[Scream And Fly]

all of the top manufactures use these materials and manufacturing techniques....

That could not be farther from the truth.

[Tom Foley]

Sounds like a great company to do biz with !

[baja200merk]

i WILL own a progression!

kevin

[StratosVT]

:eek: I'm sure Progression builds a great boat, but $85k for a 24 footer??? So let's see, minus about $20k for a 300x, that's about $65k for the boat & trailer. It must be made out of carbon fiber and gold. Why would I buy a wannabe offshore boat (at 24 ft) when I could buy a slightly used 30ft + Fountain, Cigarette, Scarab, etc.. for about the same amount of money? If I ever spend that much on a 24 footer, you'll know without a doubt that I've started smoking crack. :rolleyes:

[Scream And Fly]

:eek: I'm sure Progression builds a great boat, but $85k for a 24 footer??? So let's see, minus about $20k for a 300x, that's about $65k for the boat & trailer. It must be made out of carbon fiber and gold. Why would I buy a wannabe offshore boat (at 24 ft) when I could buy a slightly used 30ft + Fountain, Cigarette, Scarab, etc.. for about the same amount of money? If I ever spend that much on a 24 footer, you'll know without a doubt that I've started smoking crack. :rolleyes:


No, you won't be smoking crack. But by that time you'll understand that quality materials and building processes cost money. If you want a boat constructed of general resins and plywood, then that's what you're willing to pay for. If you want something that is race ready, blueprinted out of the mold, and built from the best materials available, then you have to be willing to pay for it. Take the time to research the material price list and you'll understand.

I've never smoked a cigarette, took any drug, or even had a drink of any kind. But my Progression 22 is on order ;)

Greg

[INXS]

Why buy new if $$ is a factor? There's good used Progressions out there! :rolleyes: :D

[jerry]

Here We Go, The Pic's From 1980
yea and way back when he had hair ..........lol

[jerry]

In my opinion the Progression is over priced.I'm sure the materials and construction are the best they can be but damn!I like the boat and the numbers on GPS.The finish looks great too.I dont know.I'll give it some thought :)
if they are over priced , why did you start this thread ? you can buy a 10 dollar bottle of wine and you can buy a 200 dollar bottle , its your choice . if a progression is too rich for your blood , maybe you should look into something you can afford . but if you want quality and style progression your boat .

[StratosVT]

No, you won't be smoking crack. But by that time you'll understand that quality materials and building processes cost money. If you want a boat constructed of general resins and plywood, then that's what you're willing to pay for. If you want something that is race ready, blueprinted out of the mold, and built from the best materials available, then you have to be willing to pay for it. Take the time to research the material price list and you'll understand.

I've never smoked a cigarette, took any drug, or even had a drink of any kind. But my Progression 22 is on order ;)

Greg


Based on your statements, I have no doubt that Progression uses the best materials and processes available. I've looked at their website. They build great looking boats. My question is, are they overbuilt? Can you overbuild a boat to the point where the cost of building can't be recovered? i.e.: Are the boats overpriced for their market? I think yes, but, thats just my opinion.

I guess I'd compare it to shopping for a diamond. For the same price, would you choose a flawless 1 carat diamond or a near flawless 2 carat. I'd choose the 2 carat. :)

Harry

[baja200merk]

I guess I'd compare it to shopping for a diamond. For the same price, would you choose a flawless 1 carat diamond or a near flawless 2 carat. I'd choose the 2 carat. :)

Harry

then you wouldnt buy a progression ;)

[Scream And Fly]

I would rather have the flawless 3 karat diamond. :D

[stevek]

What is the approximate price of a 22' Progression rigged with a 300x?

[Ryan mcc]

What is the approximate price of a 22' Progression rigged with a 300x?
as of fed 2005 i got a quote of 62,302.73 for all ops and up grades with a 300x

[stevek]

as of fed 2005 i got a quote of 62,302.73 for all ops and up grades with a 300x

Thanks :cool:

[blkmtrfan]

But my Progression 22 is on order ;)

Greg

Sure hope we get the see the entire building process on that one ;)



BTW I think diamonds are way overpriced :D

[Dirk Pitt]

That could not be farther from the truth.

I guess Progression must be doing something that no manufacturer wants to do! or has the knowlege to do,but the TRUTH is when you get in the price range of $63000.00 for a 22' boat and $85000.00 for a 24' boat, one has many options........................

[jerry]

what would they be , if you want the quality ?

[Hot Shot Merc]

I started this thread because I was intrested in these boats and that I havent totaly decided what kind of BIGGER boat I will be getting when My Lightning is sold.I asked for some info on these boats as well as cost.While I appretiate the construction and best materials used in these boats I cant see that price for that boat.Its not out of disrespect or the amount,its that type of boat is not worth that kind of jack to me.For the $85,000 that I will be paying for a new boat I feel there are many other options for me.I truly thought that these boats would be much less and the thought of possibly not having to spend that much would have sounded great.I have always wanted an offshore style boat with a big block roaring behind me but the outboard in me is not letting go so easy :) I would rather buy new whatever it is but I am open to the idea of a barley used boat.Are there any used 24's out there with a low hour 300X that you know of and how much ?.......I am the kind of guy who can never make up my mind on what I want.I may even consider a 22.I'm sure that will handle the water conditions around here in Sarasota bay.I just want to be able to run around here ain the rough stuff easyer than I can with my Lightning and be able to bring three or four people when I want to..........Greg,let me know when you take delivery of your 22.I would realy like to see one in person.Thanx guys for your input on this,I appretiate it ;)

[RBT]

While reading this I am kind of chuckling to myself.
They are not over priced, when you look at what it takes to build a boat of that quality. You cannot even buy the materials in a Progression ( I am assuming, but based on what I know about the Tuff, which is built in the same mannor ) for what some competitors sell there completed boats for. ( hull only ) I cannot think of another boat builder that goes to such extremes to be sure that there are no compromises, that costs money.
You don't hear people say that Skaters are over priced, and they are even more money per foot / or pound.

Tell me ( and this is directed to Dirk ) what is on the same level?, cus I sure as hell cannot come up with anything.

RT

[Brabender]

All I can say is that I had one, Just put a deposit to build my Second.
The boat is worth every penny. Kevin is Excellent to deal with.

[Dirk Pitt]

the quality of Progression is not at all in question, they build a great boat, and if money is no object and the size fits ones needs than thats the boat, the point is options, spending $62000.00 to $85000.00 justs affords a person to look........
RBT, you talk about what it costs to built a quality boat, so tell us what does it really cost to build a 22' or a 24' quality boat......

[Hot Shot Merc]

I hate when I half to explain everysingle statement I make that somebody dissagrees with.I said before and I'll say it again,I appretiate the use of the best resins,comppsites,glass and vacum bagging that goes into this boat.I wish more companys would do the same.I just dont think that $ 85,000 for that boat is me.I can get something that might better suit my wants and needs for that much doe.I asked the price because I didnt know what they cost.I might spend $ 85,000 on a new boat but I would rather be in the low 70 grand range if possible for new.I will consider a used boat but only in the 40-50 grand range.....I want two types of boats and am having a hard time deciding wich to go with.Like I have already said,I want a cruiser/offshore style boat with a big block but I have allways been partial to the outboard thing.The Progression 24 fits the need of both(offshore style cruiser and has an outboard).I would like to see a little more cabin hight in the Progression.It has a low freeboard as compared to some of the I/O boats I've been shopping for lately.I am 6'1" tall and I need more room to get around inside.No stand up bolsters either for when the bay gets nasty...I do like the boat other than that though...Again are there any used 24 ld Progressions out there and for how much???I'm not counting it out just doing some research.Thanx Guys,Rob :)

[progression22]

What about the 24xl? I think you can get it with stand up seating

[Scream And Fly]

For curiosity, I spoke with the people at Progression to get prices on the 24LD Cuddy Cabin. It turns out my initial estimate was too high.

The latest summer prices are as follows:

24LD Cuddy with 300X and standard equipment, turn key is $66,000.

24LD Cuddy with 300X, loaded to the gills with every option (swim platform, wind screens, full cover, jackplate, tandem trailer, you name it) is $79,000.


Getting into a 24LD with a 300X for $66K is a heck of a deal if you ask me.

[THE HOSER]

Thats still alot of money
im not saying that the boat isnt worth it but
66,000.00 plus you need a trailer 2,500
3,000.00 for a cover
so far 71,500.00 plus tax 6,166.68
= $77,666.88
thats alot of money for a 24 foot boat with one motor (one year warranty)

and up here your only able to use it 7 months of the year

[Scream And Fly]

Have you priced a 21 and 24 Superboat with a 300X? The price is not much different. Remember that what Progression uses as standard, others have as options. :)

[Ziemer]

New boats are expensive. Hell the new Allison bass boat are $50,000+ turn key. Or how about a new Mastercraft, I've seen those priced between $60,000 and $70,000 for a new one. Even a new Sea-Doo jet boat is close to $30,000. Again, new boats are expensive and you get what you pay for. My Allison is a 95' and besides the interior looking a little dirty it looks damn near new.

[THE HOSER]

(just between you and i ) I wouldnt by a new 21. he killed the look of the boat and the 24 just isnt for me.

[Dirk Pitt]

I have agree with Hoser, Superboat killed the look of the 21 with the new deck......

The summer prices that Progression is asking are a lot better than the prices orginally posted, but Im just curious are the winter prices any better ;)

[Brabender]

Be careful fellas, You'll hurt Bill's Feelings

[SUPERBASH]

The 79K Greg quoted plus tax is 85K like the original # . Bash doesnt see any summer price decrease Dirkhttp://img281.echo.cx/img281/5229/secret8sv7hw.gif??? Or was the orignal # an out-the-door price :confused:

Prices vary. Bash's 24 was at 60K out the door: boat motor trailer k-planes 300X & tax all included. Since Superboat is a custom boat builder also...they would/could build a similarly built/rigged boat using the same methods/material. As FX10 (Superboat builder) once stated here on a similar thread (actually it was a Superboat bashing thread :( ) ..."when all said and done...the extra labor/costs will be the same as a new Progression".

As far as the new deck design...no 21's were selling...Superboat hadda try something to sell 21's. Intimidator & Tuff are having a hard time selling the old deck....

-Now...for you "fair weather boaters :o " chosing to only use your boats 7 months outta the year :rolleyes: ...
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[Hot Shot Merc]

If thats the price with tax and all that is a bit better.Also when do you expect to get your 22?and are you going to drive it and use it or will it sit like the stream? ;) I would realy like to see one of these in person.

[Hot Shot Merc]

What is a Bash or is it a Superboat?Do they have a web site?What lengths and all that?Just wondering wich is it a Bash or a Superboat :confused:

[Instigator]

I researched Progressions and I think they are the best O/B Offshore boat out there.
One of the only ones with a real cuddy and any head room bellow deck at all.
I priced a new Checkmate and it was only about $10K less and not in the same league as far as construction. The Progression is basically built to "Race Boat" standards with the amenities of a pleasure boat.
I talked to them about a 24LX and was in lust with the thing with the raised deck height and stretched cabin length.
O/B's are expensive period!
When I was selling Checkmates 20 yrs ago I priced a 25' w/twin O/B's and it was about $10K (if memory serves) more than a single car motor boat.
Performance difference is where it's at.
Some of the really strong single I/O's will run with the O/B but no where close to the same feel. You are "flying" the O/B. The I/O will only fly off a cliff :)
Be very carefull in your shopping, especially for used. The abuse/loading that an Offshore boat takes is astronomical compared to the light race boats like we both ran.
One of the big thinks to decide is how much cabin you want. The 24' LX is the only boat (O/B) that size I've seen that you can sit up straight in. (I can in my Sonic but they have'nt made that hull in 20 yrs) Most you can not.
While shopping consider this as well....... if you buy a cuddy, you can right off the interest as second home :eek:
Good luck shopping, you will love the boating you will be able to do in somethiing that size and won't regret it.
I know that size boat very well if you need any help.
Also as far as set back on the Progressions, they don't use much. Hardly any on a twin due to weight balance.
I wanted a enough set back for a nice bracket/platform. Kevin the owner of Progression said "NO". :)
Good luck finding used. Ain't many around.
Gary

[Hot Shot Merc]

Thanx Gary :)

[Scream And Fly]

This one is the ultimate (Progression 27) - it ran 104 mph last year. And those are ProMax 300s, not 300Xs. This boat gets up on plane so fast its scary.

http://www.progressionboats.com/home/images/Boats/Outboard/27/4%20low.jpg

[Yamaha 225]

Yes, new boats are expensive.... Are anyone having any experience with the Xtreme 21 catamaran? (the old Skater 21) which I think is made in south Florida? I were on the Miami Boat Show and it looked very good indeed. That was not so expencive if I am right. About 35-40' with a 300X. Is that a high or a low price over there for such a boat?

Thanks,
Erik