JUST HEARD AN INTERESTING RUMOR ABOUT THE V-8's FROM AN UN-NAMED SOURCE

[Instigator]

Like Arnold say's "THEY'LL BE BAAAAHHHHCCK!"
Very reliable source says they're in the R&D stage but no one will admit to anything.
But the rumor is...................
400 HP V-8 E-Tech's :D
We'll see.
You all know me and I've waved the flag so damn many times and for so long I can't even hold it up anymore (and more tired than anyone from being dissappointed) but that's what I've heard.
Supposedly they know Merc is working on a 300 - 320 Verado and they plan to be wating w/a trump card. :D

[Forkin' Crazy]

:D

Cool!!!!

I would like to see a 300hp V6, though!!! :rolleyes:

[Instigator]

Reallllllllllyyyy :eek:
This could be fun ;)

[heath brinkley]

let's hope rumors are true.

[Fish]

Gary I heard the same rumor as a matter of fact there is a certain boat that know very well with twin v8 4oo horse monty motors that will be giving the president of Bombardier a test ride!!! :D

Bobby, lemme know when you guys go and i will be happy to tow you back in LOL :D

seriously, that is great news and i hope it happens. This competitiom between merc and bomb can do nothing but benefit all of us no matter who makes it.

BTW, If the president of bomb is riding on the boat i think he will be on, just make sure he is not wearing a pink thong LOL Evinrude Thong- for those that don't get it (http://www.evinrude.com/NR/rdonlyres/6FFD28FC-2064-453E-A01C-EFF4E68FE016/0/Hat_30_XBOJ5320.avi)

fish

[Markus]

That would certainly be great. The tooling for the last generation of V8s was supposedly scrapped.

I wonder if they will build it off the 60 degree or 90 degree block...

[Rickracer]

Undoubtedly, these will be ETEC motors, and the quality of the old OMC stuff probably wouldn't have cut the mustard anyway. Exciting times lay ahead, and like I've been saying all along, this competition is good for everyone, no matter what your brand of choice might happen to be. :cool:

[Instigator]

I've heard the same thing.
Also wondering about 60 vs 90?? Hoping 60 :D
I am also hearing they are nearing production on a moddle line that have power vavlves :eek:
If this were to pan out it could be the biggest thing to hit the O/B market since the introduction of the V-6 30 yrs ago!!
All of a sudden the big Offshore boats (performance and fishing) would have a choicer other than 1500 lb I/O's.
Think about a 33' Center Console w/twin 400 HP 2 strokes :eek: (like Bobbys dad has :) )
Or better yet... a 29' Progression w/twin 400's. I want one!!!!

[Dukeofchippewa]

That would/will be fantastic. Gooooooo Etec.:D

[Fish]

mna, this is really an exciting time! 6 months ago, I was pretty bummed when merc was scrapping the 2 strokes in favor of the monster 4 strokes and assumed the writing was on the wall... now it sounds like not only will we have options, but the competition will gives us all more HP WOOO HOOOO!!!! I hope even half of the rumors pan out. Gotta figure that as soon as the e-tech/verado thing sorts out and we have a winner, Yamaha will copy it so then we will have three choices!

[Instigator]

I think the Yammi is already there.
They have the tecnoligy, they have the gear case, they have the HP's..
All the factory has to do to give us one badd ass motor is to let one of them spool up another 1K RPM.
Their 300 is an awesome piece right now!! In the B&W test when they let it spin 500 R's past factory specs it was a dead heat on top with the 300X but ran better "every where" else and I am a huge fan of the 300X!
One of my sources is dying to get his hands on a big E-Tech and a lap top.
Several people convinced that there is an easy 280 + (bullet proof) in the 225/250's right now with re-programing.
Another "source" was testing at the local ramp while there was a fishing tournament going on. There was all breeds of motors there and he talked to a bunch of the guys.
He said all of them he talked to either had an E-Tech or wanted one. He watched the start and the E-Techs all ran away and hid from the Yammi's and Verado's
You guys (Fla) will be seeing more faster than the rest of us.

[blkmtrfan]

Hope it is true :cool:


Instgator how good do you think your "source" is?

[Instigator]

I'd say "good" but..........
I've been wrong more than once in the past :cool:
Interesting thing is Action17 heard the same thing and he may have even better sources than I do ;) .

[Forkin' Crazy]

Another "source" was testing at the local ramp while there was a fishing tournament going on. There was all breeds of motors there and he talked to a bunch of the guys.
He said all of them he talked to either had an E-Tech or wanted one. He watched the start and the E-Techs all ran away and hid from the Yammi's and Verado's
You guys (Fla) will be seeing more faster than the rest of us.

That happened at a tournament here too. A guy from the dealership was in a Yami powered bass boat said the E-Tec literally just drove around them. How long has it been since that happened? :)

The MONSTER has awaken!!!... 2>4!!!! :D

How cool does it get? I can see some loyal Merc guys squealing though! :eek:

[1BadAction]

you guys crack me up... the verado is a big heavy pig (in everyones own words), yet bomb hints that its going to release a V8 and its gods gift to boating... LMAO. although, a v8 will be BADASS! Just like the old ones were Badass!

as for - "E-tec runs away and hides from the verado" lets look at the FACTS.

in bombardiers own product comparison... 1st of all, they take the chicken sh*t way out, instead of testing a regular 225 VS the verado 225, they test what is basically a rebaged 250 (225 HO) against a 225 verado. 2nd- 4 tenths of a second 0-150 feet. that aint SH*T! especially considering the verado powered boat is 120lbs+ heavier. the merc turns 500 more RPM! comparing the 6000 limit of the HO, and the 6500 limit of the verado. so un doubtedly its going to run the Rude down on the big end. Its nothing near superiority, its just damn good advertising.

http://www.evinrude.com/NR/rdonlyres/8727D0D6-11BD-4480-8279-D801C1D2777B/0/LrgGraph_AccelerationComp.gif


hows that for instigating :eek: :D

[BarryStrawn]

Actually, for performance use, I think the Verado is a big, heavy, slow pig.:)

[Instigator]

Not talking propaganda, talking about "owners" first hand experiences, people that have run them and people that have run beside them.
Believe what you "need" to believe.
Who in the F#@K cares about any O/B that weighs 720 lbs???
No one I know :D
What BMC is looking at is the big Offshore boats that carry the weight well.
One of my sources has a good friend that rode in two different 33' Concept center consoles.
One with twin Verado's one with E-Techs. Were either 225/250's can't remember which.
These were both dealer owned rigs so no preconcieved notions implied.
The guy rode in both boats and said it was night and day. Said when you nailed the throttles on the Verado powered boat all it did was make noise while climbining on plane.
Said when you did the same thing in the E-Tech boat you had to hold on to keep from being knocked down!
I think the term he used for the Verado was "TURD" :eek: His word not mine.
Wonder why we've never even heard of one on anything smaller than 22' and lighter than 2500 lbs??? Huuummmh?
Seems to me the term Turd may just fit :cool:

[baja200merk]

my cousin lives in florida and works for the world bill fish series... he sees hundreds of verados and said they were poping them like mad at firist but this year they have been staying together so much that now he wants one!?! did they make any changes to these motors?
kevin :confused:

[1BadAction]

720 lbs? that figure keeps getting heavier and heavier...LoL! from bombs own site again, 524 VS 649... :eek:

gary, Take a ride on a 29'er with twin verado 250s, and you'll be surprised how the motors will put your balls back around the cowlings somewhere from idle to rev limit. just like the e-tec 250s. theres no noticeable difference seat of the pants...

barry, neither of the pigs mentioned above have an application on our boats. unless they gain about 2000 and 1500 rpm, and drop 100, and 200lbs respectively.

baja- in one year, the dealer that I buy my mercs from on lake okeechobee has sold more verados than all his other years of big 4-strokes, and he has had ZERO problems.

im not going to perpetuate the hijack of this thread any longer, this is supposed to be about a V8 that is in the works... not the verado. If you guys want to bash the verado, start another thread. :D :eek:

[RBT]

Hey onesad, if you have a 6500 limit you can prop lower, it should pull harder than the E-Tec.
I am a died in the wool merc guy, but the Verado is scrap. From here forward I am BBD or Yamaha, if I buy a four stroke it will be bolted between the stringers.

RT

[Dukeofchippewa]

I hope the Etec and Verado keep bumping heads, it'll be good for all.

[Scream And Fly]

I am a died in the wool merc guy, but the Verado is scrap.
RT

That's a pretty bold thing to say about the most advanced and tested outboard in the world. Exactly how much experience do you have with this machine? I have plenty, and it's an amazing outboard for its designed application. Read: designed application. The performance version is currently being tested, and is producing over 400HP.

I think the E-Tec is an amazing outboard. I'm excited about their products, and I think we'll all see rewards in the industry from their innovation.

But I'm still waiting for a fair comparison - E-Tec vs. Optimax.

Greg

[BarryStrawn]

Jim - I tned to agree that these engines are of little interest. However I know of plenty of high performance boats that were rigged with V8s. But even with all the rah rah, I still haven't heard of anyone buying a Verado for even a mild performance boat.

[Instigator]

By Greg: "The performance version is currently being tested, and is producing over 400HP".
If they release that thing making that kind of power it won't come with an engine hour meter it will be a stop watch :eek:

[150aintenuff]

what is the verado's "DESIGNED aplication"..... offshore boats OK.... but lets think about this a second... 2 275 hp verados= about 1400 lbs... 3 250 hp optimaxes= about 1550 lbs, 3 carb 200 hp engines =1200 lbs .... so WHAT IS THERE DESIGNED aplication..... they are pigs pigs pigs.... and if you really wqant to get ipcky a blown injected 540EFI with 600 HP is 1300-1500 lbs......... I dont see any good aplication for the pigs regardless of the technology put into them....... and if you really want to compare a few things a 246 hp styre diesel is the same weighjt as the verado, uses 10 GPH at WOT and is safer to boot..... so 2 styres in a 33' offshore fissin boat same weight and uses less fuel than even 1 verado.........

[1BadAction]

nick, get back to scraping barnicles before you get owned.

[1BadAction]

LOOOOOOLLLLLL

http://img161.echo.cx/img161/3153/herewego4qy.gif

[150aintenuff]

come on 1 bad make your argument for it........ i am man enough to hear it...

[Instigator]

I think 720 lbs is what I read after it was actualy weighed by B&W and had oil and fluids installed.

[1BadAction]

come on 1 bad make your argument for it........ i am man enough to hear it...

Nick, I told you, read the friggin post above... your not trolling me into this BS arguement, especially when you have ZEROexperience with this motor.

[RBT]

The motor is a turkey, it is big and slow, it totally defeats the purpose of an outboard. I like the optimax, and I think that it will run with the E-Tec, but the new BBD products are hard to beat. The dominate in sleds, PWC's what makes you think that they cannot do the same in outboards. They have the technology and the drive to do it, I would not be suprised if they got into racing like they have with every other product they build. Merc is run by bean counters, and they have the product and service to show for it. Carl Kiekhafer I am sure is rolling in his grave.


RT

[Scream And Fly]

Nick, your argument fails to make a valid point. The Verado was designed for larger performance boats, such as sport fishing boats and larger bass boats. We're not talking about Skaters or Allisons here. The Verado makes tons of torque, and the 4-cylinder 175HP version schooled a 225 E-Tec at the Miami show right in front of me. Believe it or not, I was onboard the E-Tec powered boat. :)

You really need to look at the big picture and research the outboard and its innovations and how it applies to the boats it was designed for. I cannot stress that enough. If you ever come to Florida, let me know and I'll get you a ride on a Verado-powered boat. Your opinion will change.

Is it better than the E-Tec? I think they are two different engines for two different users. They both accomplish the same result for each user's preference.


Rob, please tell me in detail what your actual experience with the Verado is. Have you ever even been on a Verado-powered boat?

Greg

[blkmtrfan]

They (Bomb) have the technology and the drive to do it, I would not be suprised if they got into racing like they have with every other product they build.

I think that would be the best thing that could happen to performance outboards in quite a while :cool:

[RBT]

"Rob, please tell me in detail what your actual experience with the Verado is. Have you ever even been on a Verado-powered boat? "

Greg, you need to come up here sometime!. Where do you think we are, this ain't the north pole, did you know that Ontario is the second largest boating market next to Michigan?........ which are both bigger than Florida. Bass boats is where my experiance is, about 60 of them, last summer there were six of them up here to demo at bass tournaments. While I truly like the 250XS, I have not a lot of nice to say about the 250 Verado, ( have no experiance with the 275 ), the best I can muster up is that it is quiet. Hell even the guys over on OSO ( yes I am a traitor ) are all buying BBD and Yamaha. I honestly don't want to bash the product, I AM a merc guy, but I don't have blind faith the produck isn't for me, and a lot of others have the same feeling about it.

RT

oh and Triton and Ranger are boats right?

[Ryan28]

Don't know if there will be a 400hp E-TEC, but heard from a very reliable source they were working on a 200hp 60degree lightweight motor off of the 150 and 175 models. Don't know whether it will be a HO but a 200HP weighing in around 425 or less for a BOMB. is gonna be SWEET The next year is gonna be very interesting to say the least.

[Instigator]

that is the one I heard is going to have power valves!!

And I have also been saying the same as Rob about BMC getting into racing.
Everything they touch turns to gold. Look at their company history and product lines.
They have basically been the best at everything they've done.
I think the racing division is only a matter of time.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEA.........

[Instigator]

P.S., don't lie to him.
It is too the freagin North Pole!!! I've been up there.
Polar bears, snow and Eskimos every where!!
Scary place that Canadian country :eek:

[RBT]

HAHAHA, yup and all we do is drink screw and snowmobile......... then move to Florida.


RT

[Scream And Fly]

I inquired about the possibility of a V8 E-Tec, and I just received this reply from BRP's senior public relations coordinator:

"Someday there will be E-TEC engines below 40-hp and possibly above our largest 250-hp, but there is no validity to the rumor on the chat rooms."

I thought you should know...

Greg

[RBT]

Greg that's cool, one thing is for sure it is a fine product.

RT

[blkmtrfan]

but heard from a very reliable source they were working on a 200hp 60degree lightweight motor off of the 150 and 175 models.

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82278

[Instigator]

I copied this from my orig. post.
My source told me this:
"Very reliable source says they're in the R&D stage but no one will admit to anything."

RT, it's also cold like Winter all year long. No wonder none of us go up there :D

[Ryan28]

Like I said this came from a very reliable source on the new 200 lightweight motor. As for them getting in to racing I would love it. Who wouldn't want a 350-400 HP motor for racing one weekend then detuning it back for play on the other weekends. I would by one in a heartbeat. Who cares about the warranty. These motors are supposed to be capable of handling 10,000 RPMS. We don't even need that, everyone knows an OMC capable of turning 8500 RPMS will outrun a 10,000 RPM merc in the 1/4. If ya doin't think so then come to some of the races where these boys are runnin. Gordon has his boys set up VERY GOOD.

[RBT]

Ya but Gator, cold = Hp why else do you think we all go 400 mph up hill here?

RT

[Instigator]

I was going to move up there when the exchange rate was better.
Kept listening to some dumb as* that docked beside me when I had my cruiser and he kept telling me how cheap everything was up there because of the exchange rate.
I tried over several beers to explain things to him but it never worked.
He's probably living up there right now :eek:

[Instigator]

there is no dealer selling tons of Verados in the area Jim is talking about the ones running so strong and dependably???
I heard, only little ass dealers and no Verados.

[1BadAction]

there is no dealer selling tons of Verados in the area Jim is talking about the ones running so strong and dependably???
I heard, only little ass dealers and no Verados.

nice to know that you will slander somebodys name and lie about them like that. hell, want a knife to stab me in the back while your at it? I guess they just keep 6 verado powered boats (8 motors) around at one time just because of the verados good looks :rolleyes:

http://img157.echo.cx/img157/9144/im0011272xf.jpg

[Scream And Fly]

Okay okay, calm down Jim. We're talking about outboards here, not our mothers.:)

[1BadAction]

yeah, I really apreciate being called a LIAR... So much for someone you THINK is your friend :rolleyes:

[David]

Sooner or later B&W will do a comparison of ETech vs Optimax. Hopefully they will include a conventional HPDI as well. I call Yamaha's conventional because it is closer to what is happening in the automotive world.

Even when this test comes out, it may not definatively answer the big questions, which for me are:

1. which injection system weighs more
2. which system has more parasitic losses
3. which one can deliver more fuel faster (req'd for high rpm)
4. which works better for emissions

Verado? It isn't the motor for most of the boats on this board. No reason to dump on it. Its just not the answer for me. Maybe twin Verados would work on a Skater. Of course if Merc abandoned two strokes I might work up some resentment. So far the Optimax looks promising. I'd sure like a 200XS.

I have faith in two strokes. Early car emission controls crippled performance. Now cars are faster than ever.

[Rickracer]

We all should join hands and do the Snoopy dance together. The next 5 years in the boating world is likely to be the most incredible since the 60's and late 90's to now is/was to the automotive world. The competition is going to benefit everyone, whether they are a black motor fan, a white motor fan, or a grey motor fan. The Verados are incredible pieces of technology, as is the ETEC line. There are pros and cons to both. SO WHAT? They are both still incredible, and both lines are only going to get better with the passing of time, and more testing. Hang on boys, it's gonna be a fun ride. :cool:

[Instigator]

just what a little Fla birdy that knows that area told me and you've been known to embelish a bit
the Verado is a fine piece of technoligy
but at 720 lbs (what I heard) it's a freagin pig!

[Flat Out]

I would love to see a V8 Etec. Should make about 400 hp easily. I hope to one day say. "The King has returned". Long live the King. A very good friend of mine raced the V8s and another good friend was the chief mechanic. They were on the factory team. They both have said there is nothing like a race V8.They would still out run anything today. Yes the new boats will turn faster but for sheer power the V8 kicks a**.
Hope BRP builds it.

[150aintenuff]

everyone talks abought weight and most people call the old V8's heavy piglets by standards BUT most new v6 emmission engines and ALL of the 4stroke engines in same HP catagory are heavier.. so much so that there are highspeed deisels that are the same weight... I guess i dint make a clear point I know and knew what the designed aplications for the verado was but if you look at it by a hp to weight ratio twin verados dont make much sence when there are other options that have just as much power and less weight REGARDLESS of aplication designation. yes they have technology yes the marine industry will adapt to make them work, are they practical no. efficient heck no. 31GPH for 275 HP compared to 29 GPH and 300 hp for two strokes do they have potential...maybe.... will mercury lose the fat not likely... is the technology viable yes... but there is a lot of work to be done before it gets anywhere close to being a success.

things I feel need done before
I will look at one..

1 new design... the motor is UGLY
2 lose 250lbs
3 get the efficiency back to lessthan 10% fuel usage to mke the rated HP
4 make them easy to adjust and user friendly so that the average joe can fix em while on the water incase $hit happens ( even the morons need to get back to the dock)
5 get the performance and RPM range of say a 300+ drag motor out of the existing 6 cyl and be reliable w/o adding in redundant systems that add weight and cut performance.
6 get rid of DTS or make it optional.. to many people dont understand it and will damage the engine by shifting to quickly and not allow the DTS to do its job before applying throttles.... and cables work just fine and are reliable as hell when taken care of.... computers and water dont mix.... IMHO

if those things were done then yes I would own a verado or any 4 stroke but untill that happens they will remain 4 jokes

[Scream And Fly]

Nick,

A 4-stroke engine has twice the moving parts as a 2-stroke. They will never be as light as a 2-stroke. They are what they are, but I suggest you get a ride in a Verado-powered boat. You might be impressed. Those engines are super smooth and quiet, and deliver serious torque.

Why would you want a consumer outboard to turn 10,000 RPM? Consumer boats are not nearly as light as race boats, and need their power where it's useful and efficient - at 3500-5500 RPM. Try bolting a Drag motor to a heavy fishing boat and you'll know what I mean. And before you say, "but Japanese sportbikes can turn 13,000 RPM all day", remember that those engines make very little torque, and they start to develop power at 6000 RPM. :)

Greg

[150aintenuff]

greg I hope you dont think I am that much of an idiot..... you said yourself that they were working on a performance version..... and THAT would require the 9K RPM range... the 2.5 L can do it , the 3.0L can do 8K if built right... and both are very capible in fissin form running 6K SO there is an argument there in performance form..... I havent ran a verado YET but I have a good comparison to give ya from the experiance I have with it.. this comming from the merc dealer that has one in town... a boat 1 foot longer than mine (same hull) 50 lbs more (boat only)is rigged with a 250 and gets 52 mph GPSand my boat has a massaged over 150 2 stroke and the only difference in the boats is about 300lbs weight wise and I can see 52 with 150 hp... and have ran another boat IDENTICAL to mine with a 225 EFI and it easilly runs 60+ so that being said I am not impressed. and wont be impressed untill they look like motors again and make the effort to get a fewthings lightned and atleast comparable. I wouldnt expect to see a 375 lb verado but a 425 lb verado is feasable and in fissin form anything under 500 would be acceptable in my book. anything more starts making sterndrives look good. just my opinion

[Scream And Fly]

Nick, the 4-cylinder performance version of the Verado should be something you'll like - a lot of horsepower and less weight. :) :)

Greg

[150aintenuff]

we shall see.... right now the 220 laser that is in need of an injector cleaning that is forsale for 1100 bucks is looking REAL good as a project to repower that 150 with....

rebuild, brucatto SVS, brucatto PCU and a few other toys install under a 150 cowl.... hmmmmmm that might be fun..... now for some monny:)

the V8 etec would be a good motor in my opinion provided it didnt burn 100 GPH like the old v8's did.....

[Forkin' Crazy]

just what a little Fla birdy that knows that area told me and you've been known to embelish a bit
the Verado is a fine piece of technoligy
but at 720 lbs (what I heard) it's a freagin pig!

I told ya they would be squealing. :eek:

Just what was the WOT fuel consuption of a 300 V8? 100? I heard more like 30.

[150aintenuff]

it was around 31-32 from what I understand but they seem like more than that hence the exageration.....

[outboards4life]

It does take about a gallon to get them started though. :D

[Forkin' Crazy]

300hp to 300hp, what's the Merc get? That 300X or what ever....

Isn't the general rule 10%?

:D

[Merc-Cruiser]

Of the late eighties, was about 400 plus horsepower, with true offshore mid-sections & gearcases. Anyone have any of these stashed away in their closet? M/C :)

[Reese]

V8, 4 cyl, supercharged, etec, optimax....not that bad considering that only a few short years ago most of us were scared that 2 strokes were on thier way to exinction.


Yea, they are still a little heavy and the etec need a few more r's, but overall not a bad first start since the inception of the EPA rules. The 4 strokes have a long ways to go, but if Merc and Bomb decide they want clean burning, 450 lb, 6500 rmp engines, they're not that far away with the etec or opti's.

Let's see what happens in the near future.

[150aintenuff]

the opti is there if they would take the 2.5XS and put it back in the old midsection and cowl rather than the 3.0 l stuff...... and the new smallblock etec on its way is equal to a new carb v6 for weight so there is atleast something going there as well....
just a few more lbs and 500 RPM and then we can go back to bitching about the EPA regs causing parts to cost more to add HP

[150aintenuff]

It does take about a gallon to get them started though. :D


or 5 with twins........... :p

10 if they are out of tune:p

[Forkin' Crazy]

300hp to 300hp, what's the Merc get? That 300X or what ever....

Isn't the general rule 10%?

:D


Yep, that's what I thought, about the same... :rolleyes:

[E-tec1]

Who says this is happenning????Not saying I know anything but I question this.

[samari]

I don't want to start any arguments but I think I saw something "interesting" today. I will try and find out some more if I can.