New Inshore F1 Speed record 160.12 MPH

[FrenchPhil]

Done by Guido Cappellini, impressive !!!
Okay Helmut your turn :D

[spn#43]

Wow.....WOW.... :eek: 160....wow...INCREDIBLE!!!!

[Fish]

impressive! What are the details? Glad he is back in full swing.

[Raceman]

I think that's great news, AND it shows the REAL possibility of doing something I've wanted to see for a long time........................... break the Kilo record with a 2.5 Merc 2 stroke BEFORE the 4 stroke makes em obsolete. I'm certain that 10 years down the road (maybe a lot sooner) somebody will shatter the exisiting outboard record with a turbo'd or blown 4 stroke race motor, but it just won't be the same. Just like there's a piston driven and none piston U Boat record, there'll always be a world's fastest 2 stroke outboard.

[BarryStrawn]

Just like there's a piston driven and none piston U Boat record, there'll always be a world's fastest 2 stroke outboard.

And it will always be an Evinrude.:)

[Raceman]

And it will always be an Evinrude.:)

I'm not so sure Barry. Only time will tell.

[PARKER RABE]

damn thats rollin!!!!! ill bust it ! :eek:

[FrenchPhil]

Actuallly i was getting worried when the amateurs were doing almost as well as the pros :D

[PARKER RABE]

dont worry raceman and i are gonna come out of the closet here in a week or two :eek:

[mr.clean]

.....
dont worry raceman and i are gonna come out of the closet :p

[1BadAction]

break the Kilo record with a 2.5 Merc 2 stroke.

its going to take someone to grow a set of nads big enough... BUT you have all the merc gearcases and props that would be good for 180+ :p it isnt going to be done with a sportmaster. :D

what size is your biggest SSM prop?

[Yamaha 225]

Wonder how it feels like going 160 in that small boat... Must be scary :cool:

[PARKER RABE]

bad stream 12 23

[PARKER RABE]

tell u what ....dixion is geeting ready to shatter the 150 mark with an stv !!! :eek:

i got some killer video of him at the swannie that we still havent posted of the 143mph pass , GREAT FOOTAGE TOO...ill have someone put it up soon !

[1BadAction]

id rather be at 150 in an stv than 160 in a true tunnel... those tunnels are scary mofos.

wait till I drop this 1badsteelbore on the action, its going to break the sound barrier.

[Racemore]

id rather be at 150 in an stv than 160 in a true tunnel...

Not me Stream.The true tunnel has less drag.They have been 140 mph boats for years.I think the edge is likely to come up quicker in a mod vp.Rusty Cambell has been runnin over 125 since 1988 circle racing.I'm with Raceman on the Mercs taking the title if somebody with the resorces really wanted it.I like a hydro because it runs bow down stern high.We know drag hydros can exceed 245 mph.

[1BadAction]

Not me Stream.The true tunnel has less drag.They have been 140 mph boats for years.I think the edge is likely to come up quicker in a mod vp.Rusty Cambell has been runnin over 125 since 1988 circle racing.I'm with Raceman on the Mercs taking the title if somebody with the resorces really wanted it.I like a hydro because it runs bow down stern high.We know drag hydros can exceed 245 mph.

what im basing my statement on is having seen a correctly setup stv run close to that speed... like it was going 100. tunnels look like they are going to go over all the time. as for the edge? im not going to be the one to find it in an open hull. i wouldnt want to run over 120 in an open boat myself.

we all know a hydro with an ob could do it, but finding someone with the stones to keep his foot in it is the problem...

[GPI Racing]

Just some info for you guys,

If guido did it in his curcuit boat then he's done something big. If it was a special "record" boat then not so much. The modern "curcuit" boat was designed to squirt from corner to corner and top speed is not much of the design, lap time is. In the late '80s while teaming with Barry Woods at the Parker Enduro, the opening laps around the 13 mile track were done in 6 minutes and 3 seconds give or take a couple of seconds. The V-8 powered boats were runing over 150 down the long stretches. Then Chris Bush running the Del Taco Seebold for Gilbreath with one of the first 2.5s was radar clocked at speeds above 150 in the next Enduro. I remember running a Mod VP down the stretch and Chris porpising by me as I was wide open. The boat he had, with so much fuel on board, an not a lot of lift would gallop 'till about 120mph. Huge scary leaps as it picked up speed. #4 SSM gearcases with 22" props at top rpm. The V-8s ran 20s and 21s thru 19-20 gears at 8800 and up.....those were the days.

Anyway I'm not posting to 'dis Guido, but just provide some neat facts. With modern tunnels designed for the race tracks of today (short corner to corner) the job of going fast is much harder. The boats of old ran fast in the straight but really were slow in the turns when compared to todays tunnels.

I have tons of clippings and photos of this stuff if someone wanted to scan the stuff. Might make some good reading.

Randy

[Instigator]

Huh??? What record??
Guido did what?? UIM record??
Almost all tunnel (class) boat Kilo records are actually held by three points.
So what did the record?? No question to Guido's ability butttt..... what did he do and what boat??
Raceman.... "we're gonna brake the Kilo record w/a black motor". Maybe not in our life time??
I have the video from the record and it's serious ****! The motor is Gonzo for a long ass while!
Not GPS.
Not Radar from a freagin pontoon boat at an angle
Two way, timed, averaged run, on a surveyed course.
Sends a bunch of people home in tears :D

[RUDERIOT]

:D I know what you're talkin' about... I think it's time to show the truth to the multitudes!! :eek: I love it! :D :D

[Fish]

dont worry raceman and i are gonna come out of the closet here in a week or two :eek:

So now we know... ;) :D LOL

Parker give me a call when you get up and about today, I'll do the videos and can give back the albums.

fish

[Instigator]

Here is the UIM/F-1 which lists the record but says nothing else???
http://www.f1boat.com/index.shtml#
I am very qurious to see "what" it actually is???

[heath brinkley]

"It's" 160...you dumb ass.

[heath brinkley]

And I mean dumb ass for moving back to Ohio. :D

160....Shizat !!!! That's cooking....on balsa wood :eek:

[Instigator]

Dahhhhhhhhhh, O.K. Louie ;)
On the Ohio move, yeah well.... :( :o :p
I know it's 160 Einstien! What I'm trying to find out is what the record is for??
Was it a UIM Kilo run???
If so was it in a tunnel or a three point hydro??
Most of the records in the tunnel classes, that are that fast are actually set in 3 point hydros. (used to be anyhow)
160 is freagin whisstling in a tunnel boat!
Heath, still looking at round 2 for down there.
I'm still going to call yur dumb ass :D

[heath brinkley]

My dumb ass...is always a phone call away.

I knew what you were looking for, and I knew you knew it was 160, but you know I couldn't have passed an open door. :D

[Instigator]

get back to work!
p.s., the # (8671) you gave me is home isn't it?
thought about dragging my Sonic back down there, parking it at your house and living in it :rolleyes:

[heath brinkley]

yes, that's my home #, and yes, I'll take good care of it. ;) :D :D

[Yamaha 225]

Can you please send over the video to Greg so hi can put it on the multimedia section?? Can't wait to see it... Found a guy with a V-bottom with a HP 525 EFI out on the "lake" (Oslofjord) here today and had a lot of fun... We ran even. Hi-Perf boats rocks!! Best in the world!!!! :D :D

[heath brinkley]

When Yamaha posted, I realized you said LIVING in it (sonic) :D :D
The first time I read it I thought you said LEAVING it, as in until you made it back down with the rest of your stuff. :D :D
either way. :D :D

[heath brinkley]

take good care of it, if you left it. ;) :D

[spn#43]

CAPPELLINI SETS NEW WORLD SPEED RECORD!!
256,25 km/h ON 1 KM COURSE ON LAKE D'ISEO!


SARNICO, Italy - 29 April, 2005 - Eight time World U.I.M. F1 World
Champion Guido Cappellini set an all-time speed record for the
Formula 1 class by powering his TAMOIL DAC Mercury powered boat to a
256,25 kilometers (158.1 miles) per hour time in two combined runs on
Lake D'Iseo in northern Italy on Friday.

The native of nearby Como, broke the all-time mark set by Great
Britain's Allan Marshall that was set back in 2002 with a speed of
234,80km/h and stood for almost three years. Cappellini, who with the
generous cooperation with his main sponsor TAMOIL put together a pair
of runs through the 1 kilometer course that was set up on the north
side of the lake under ideal no wind conditions.

With the guidance and officials of the Italian Motor boating
Federation in attendance, Guido made two official runs. The first
timed out just over 258 km/h being the quickest of the two, while
running back towards the western part of the lake on his 2nd lap he
did a slower 253 km/h attempt, but the combined effort was easily
enough to set a new official world U.I.M mark.

"The opportunity that TAMOIL has given me in this record breaking
attempt for a F1 catamaran is very important in my career", stated
Guido Cappellini. " My sponsors put on a great effort off the water
with the receptions and public relations work necessary to get the
word out to the world press, I repaid their hard work by setting the
new record and now this also helps get my team get a leg up on my
attempt to win back the world championship in Formula 1 for 2005. All
in all, I am very pleased with the results."

The TAMOIL Team can now concentrate on the job at hand of winning
another title beginning with the opening round at the Grand Prix of
Portugal in Portimaò on the weekend of 21st and 22nd for the 7th ever
race in which Cappellini has won 5 of the previous six events.

As a footnote; the lake that Guido set the new world record on, Lake
D'Iseo, home of Riva Boats, normally has a strict speed limit of 20
km/h at all times!

F1 Powerboat Press Office

[Instigator]

Heath, yeah right. You'll be into those white motors soon as I left so you could figure why they run so good :cool:

Spn, Very Cool and Thank You!! That is exactly what I was looking for.
So we're clear also.. I never doubted it one bit. I just wanted to know what "kind" of record and with what hull.
It was a "Kilo" run which is what I thought but couldn't substantiate anywhere and then was it a tunnel or 3 point.
We know it was a tunnel becuse the press reales says "DAC" boat.
That is falt incredible for a tunnel boat!!!
Thanks again for the info, that's exactly what I was looking for.
Gary

[heath brinkley]

:D :D :D

[spn#43]

Spn, Very Cool and Thank You!! That is exactly what I was looking for.
So we're clear also.. I never doubted it one bit. I just wanted to know what "kind" of record and with what hull.
It was a "Kilo" run which is what I thought but couldn't substantiate anywhere and then was it a tunnel or 3 point.
We know it was a tunnel becuse the press reales says "DAC" boat.
That is falt incredible for a tunnel boat!!!
Thanks again for the info, that's exactly what I was looking for.
Gary

Not only that but it's Formula-1 "class" so it must be a Formula-1 boat (tunnels only) and spec F-1 engine (no nitro chit or anything like that), in any case it must be really cool to run 160 mph :cool: :)

[GPI Racing]

God Rob,

thanks for the confidence..(testing HAS been good so far the little I've driven so far this spring. It snowed today :( )

I respect Guido ( I have raced with him in the past) and I do know how much power was behind him in this run. He has a very good engine guy and they are not afraid to throw away a motor for quailifying and a record such as this. This goes to show it is still VERY hard (homework, commitment and bucks!) to run ultra speeds in an F1 tunnel. Check out the tunnel fence to reduce lift at speed. Nice touch and the last time I saw something like that was when the late Jim Merten ran a 2.5 on a SST70 boat!

Randy

[GPI Racing]

SPN,

No disrespect but Having driven a 16ft tunnel with a ton of power and turning speeds over 140 in the straight, It really isn't THAT hard. My stv is little more unruly that an F1 tunnel. If it wasn't they'd be racing them in F1...but they don't because of it's inferior (couldn't think of a better word ) handling. My point is I've run tunnels (f1, V-8, V-6s) etc all my life and now Allison's Stv's etc. I think you'd find them all similar except maybe the v-bottom. And what I meant by Guido's motor is I know what the rules in European F1 are, very very loose compared to ours. Ron Anderson builds Gilman's motors. I know Ron pretty good (he was our V-8 teams engine builder) and I know how much power they have. You couldn't go near that speed with a legal USA F1 motor.

But that doesn't diminish anything Guido did...he went FAST period.

Randy

(this was in reference to your post that just disappeared) Also don't take any of this negatively. It is not meant to be that. Just info or opinion for you to look at.

[GPI Racing]

Ohh, also

What guido did with a tunnel I think was much harder (therefore much more respect from me) than what Wartinger (sp) did in the Hydro they built for the record set by the V-8.

Randy

[Instigator]

Something to consider....
Most guys I know that do GPS runs (myself included) only keep their foot on the floor until the boat stops accelerating and long enough to put a "peak" reading on the GPS. Usually only a second or two. (and there is some debate as to how long you must stay there for the GPS to "see" your speed)
A "Kilo" run which is the only "real" top speed records that the main sanctioning bodies UIM/APBA accept is over a measured/surveyed and certified kilometer.
You do a pass @ WFO in one direction with your foot on the floor to get up to speed and then keep it there through the measured kilometer and they compute your speed based on time X distance.
Then you turn around and do it from the other direction to counter any possible effect from wind/current etc.
Then those two times/speeds are averaged and that equates to your speed.
That being said now consider that if you have to turn your motor 10K to put a 143 "flash" reading on the GPS, can the same motor/set up stay at that RPM level fand speed for a combined two kilometers??
Typically the GPS speeds are quite high compared to a Kilo timed run.
As far as giving credit where credit is do...............
I can't even comprehend either one!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
What Mr. Dixon and Dennis and the rest of those guys have been doing is against the laws of nature as far as I'm concerned ;) They get my rocks off!!
The Kilo side of things is like the guys taking their 200 MPH cars to Bonneville and going 155. Very, very difficult and very, very humbling from what I know.
Consider this in regards to both.
When Reggie Fountain just set the Kilo mark in Offshore he did it with the APBA's apporval on a " timed certified and surveyed Kilometer run".
He was targetting the guy from "Outerlimits" boats that was talking smack about how fast his bpoats were and his were all GPS numbers.
Reggie invited the guy to the run he put together. The guy showed up and saw that it was indeed a "real" Kilo run and left in the mddle of the night w/o putting his boat in the water :D
Interestinglly Reggies record was right at where the other guy was claiming he was running on GPS.
Again both ways of measuring speeds and the numbers being attained are flat amazing but they are comparing apples to oranges. Also, you can do a GPS run for the price of (or borrowing of) a $99. GPS.
A kilo attemp on the other hand $$$$$$$$.
Now Mr.Dixon, lets see that 150!! And Dennis don't you have an answer to that ;) I think I know you well nough to know that you haven't thrown your hands up and said "oh well"???
Luv Yah Guys!!
Gary

[Dukeofchippewa]

Very well said, and true.

[heath brinkley]

Good post Gary,
Iwas thinking the same thing, but it takes sooo long to post it, and it comes out sounding like your bashing the lake boat guys, which is not your intent.
Anyway, well worded. And props to GPI for what he's done with his lake boats, it's amazing to see his numbers. BUT, 160 in a KILO RUN. WOW !!!!

[1BadAction]

as much as id love to jump in this BS match, i think i'll leave it alone...

ps... It only takes 15 seconds to cover a kilometer at 260 km/h. (roughly 160mph)

[Instigator]

Good point Jim but consider....
maybe 15 seconds to get to 160 before entering the Kilo?? A couple seconds past the end??? Now you're looking at what maybe 35 seconds at 10K RPM??
Then turn around and do it again in opposite direction :eek:
Rules almost always impose a time limit on return pass also. Lot's of one way passes higher than record but have not been "official" due to failure of 2nd pass.
Another point.
Look at some of the speeds and RPMs the drag guys are seeing. Incredible to be sure but they're seeing those numbers for the last 100' maybe???
How many motors have you seen pop right at the finish?? Or can't restart for additional heats???
Most 10K drag motors are there (10K) for a very short time. Same with speeds.
Another example.
Those preaching about 245 MPH T.Fuel speeds. That speed has been 44 MPH faster than the out right propeller driven record (@ 201) that was just broken.
Those guys are grenading boats all the time going through the traps.
Again 245 for 50' maybe?? None of those guys would ever think of attempting a Kilo run with those boats.
One of the Arfons tried it 15 or so yrs ago. He stretched a drag hull 10' and tried to break Warbys record with a turbine in the boat.
He was killed on his first high speed attempt.
Lastly, look at a clock or watch w/a second hand. Now imagine your motor at 10 K and while you watch 35 seconds tick off :eek:
Again, I want to some day be able to do what the guys are doing in their lake boats and I am theirr biggects fan.
But it is way different than a Kilo record.

[Instigator]

absoultely agreed!
No preference or real opinion implied only explaining how different it is for those that didn't know.
As already stated several times..........
A. I want to see Dixon run 150
B. I want a real job so I can afford to do it myself
C. to run a Kilo you're at the speed way longer
D. We've had GPS runs at the Rumble on the River every year. Guess why and guess who's idea it was??

[Hot Shot Merc]

Nothin but love for ya Gary ;)

[Instigator]

something about showing up at a "ditch" somehwere where a dozen boats show up to play with GPS's and 3 of them run over 130 :eek:
then looking at their rig on the ramp afterwards and trying to figure out how in the hell they did it :eek: :eek: :eek:

[1BadAction]

something about showing up at a "ditch" somehwere where a dozen boats show up to play with GPS's and 3 of them run over 130 :eek:
then looking at their rig on the ramp afterwards and trying to figure out how in the hell they did it :eek: :eek: :eek:

yeah, and that ditch is where Ive seen guys with their foot somewhere the bow eye for MILES at a time :eek: nobody pays much attention to an old ranger bassboat... tee hee

[Dukeofchippewa]

Holy Crap, gofast is gofast. Whatever trips your trigger, it takes large gonads to go for it. :D

[1BadAction]

Holy Crap, gofast is gofast. Whatever trips your trigger, it takes large gonads to go for it. :D

im with him ^ you rule duke http://img17.echo.cx/img17/1176/headbang8sa.gif

[RBT]

Don't count a moderday mod-vp out on the roundy round cources. We ran 2 triad STV's up here in an exhibition, ( Mine and Blakes.... Gary knows what they are about ), We ran them against Canadian rules F1 ( same a US, but with 26cc heads and SVS )....... guess who won. Remember the "lake" boats have no rules. The champs may turn, but they get hunted down in the straights.

RT

[Instigator]

agreed
that's what mod vp was alll about butttttttt.........
not w/a motor and set up to run 143!

[RBT]

ya but 120-130 is easy on pump fuel.... that we rebuild once a year. And the Champs are not going much over 110 when they hit there limiter.

RT

[Instigator]

I'd guess closer to 120ish??
I know the rules have changed and I haven't kept up but here's from the APBA site and is only Kilo and 5 miles 3laps which bigger than some course they currently run.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
99.30 MPH
Class 07630 - CHAMP BOAT/1998 Monday, September 3, 1984 Record Type 5 MI/3 LAP
Location ESSEX, MD Driver JOHN SHERLOCK Owner JOHN SHERLOCK
Boat SHERLOCK RACING Hull Type SEEBOLD Engine MERCURY


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
143.72 MPH
Class 07630 - CHAMP BOAT/1998 Friday, November 29, 1996 Record Type KILO
Location PARKER, AZ Driver TODD BOWDEN Owner TODD BOWDEN
Boat CALIFORNIA GOLD Hull Type GRAN PRIX Engine MERCURY

I think the UIM F-1 guys are qualifying in the high one teens to mid one twenties depending on course. (I think)

Again,
Lake Racing = no weight min's, no motor restrictions,no ban on nitrous :eek:
APBA and UIM all of the above are rules/restricitons

I also think the true tunnel would definately out turn the Mod VP boats based on ceneter of gravity being much farther froward in the race boat allowing them to drop the trim, hook a sponson and go.
All tapes I've seen of MOD VP almost all the gus slide and or float around the turns.

I'd still take either :D

[Fish]

Holy Crap, gofast is gofast. Whatever trips your trigger, it takes large gonads to go for it. :D

I could not have said it better. I am not capable of speeds like either group is running so big ups to all the guys who can.

[GPI Racing]

Instigator,

Keep in mind that the UIM F1 rules are such that they have MORE motor than I have on the STV.(And mine will trist the needle toward 400hp) I know several of the guys and it takes big bucks and big power to be in the hunt in European F1. Gillman was throwing away (yes throwing away) the crankshafts after Quailifying and then again after the race. There is much more to the story than you guys know...The surface is just being scratched. US F1 is much more relaxed. I took off my Mod U powerhead and put on the "legal Champ engine" on the Crown boat I was driving at Pittsburgh. I thought something was wrong with it, so much different it was performing.


The way I see it there is NO (read NO) debate here. I've driven them all...they all have there place and are all complicated in there own right.

Quit the arguments and lets go boating either straight or in turns,,there both fun! There is not that many of us and I hate to say it but..................It is stuff like this that keeps us from going higher up the ladder and being as popular a sport as motor cycles, cars, planes, etc. I want this sport to grow not get smaller...................I love going fast in ANYTHING on water..

Randy

[Instigator]

I knew that about the UIM versions but couldn't find anything about motor rules??
Didn't Gillman just get uhhhhh crap can't pull his name?? You know him I'm sure. Ray Anderson??
And he helped get his motor R&D going??
P.S., no argument here and that's why I devoted three yrs of my life to Rumble on the River and why it was always an O/B only event!!!! Pissed off some high buck I/O guys but sh#t happens.