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CTFreeDiver
02-03-2005, 07:04 PM
Performance Inflatable Boats in the USA -- As of January 2005

I have a 2003 15.5 ft Xtreme Predator by Murray Elliott and a 2001 Mercury 60 HP that I found at a Mercury dealership as a left over. It came with a factory warranty. My primary use for the boat is a means of transportation to areas where only much larger boats will travel for the purpose of freedive spear fishing.

I had hoped to put together a website with the things I had learned about the dealing of this sport but the following should suffice my intent to inform future buyers in the USA. The utter lack of information about the availability of boats in the USA makes entry into this sport very complicated for the novice. I spend a significant amount of time on the ocean all over the Rhode Island shoreline and nearby Islands. I have yet to see another Performance Inflatable Boat out on the water.

The following lengthy compilation of information is the opinion of one Engineer. As merely an owner of a Performance Inflatable Boat with absolutely no retail affiliation to the aforementioned brands or retailers I have made some observations over the years about the sport.

The sport of recreational / racing Performance Inflatables is in a total state of disarray in the USA. Due to gross lack of organization and the fact that most of the retailers of the hulls are simply trying to make a quick buck constitute the foundation of why the sport has never really prospered. There are only a very select few that put the effort into the sport because they love it. The most common thing I have found is that the people involved with Performance Inflatables are all too willing to throw verbal cheap shots at other retailers which is disheartening to a novice looking to enter the sport. When I was shopping to buy one of these boats I came across many types of people… some professional and most very far from it. I found that many of the people selling the boats did not have stock on hand, we can import this or import that, and many of them spoke of trying to sell the idea of me personally becoming a dealer for the hulls. They spoke of great margins and the theory that this sport is just itching to take off in the USA. When I go to buy a vehicle I simply want the vehicle with some type of warranty to ensure I didn’t get stuck with a lemon. I want to leave with that vehicle, not the dealership.

My journey to acquire a Performance Inflatable and outboard engine was an ordeal. It took a full six months to get the hull! It was a custom order and agreed upon in writing to be delivered by a deadline date. Many problems arose and all but one of them was simply out of the hands of my retailer and due to the practices of several others involved within the sport. I purchased the hull from the owner of the of the now non-existent website: “www.performanceinflatables.com” He was very knowledgeable about the sport and he was the best source of organized information in the USA I, as well as everyone else that visited his now non-existent website, could easily see. He tried to bring some organization to a sport much in need of it. I believe the ordeal of my boat was the final straw for him... after I finally took delivery he all but disappeared from the sport. He was the most professional and sincere retailer I found at the time. His knowledge helped me more that he knows.

To say that Insurance Companies steer clear of these boats is an understatement! Many companies will not insure the boats simply because the word “inflatable” is spoken. When an insurer hears that the boat is a small inflatable with a hull weighing X amount of pounds and rated for a 70 HP outboard which weighs more than the hull… the dead silence you hear on the other end of the phone is the insurer questioning your sanity. Soon there after the silence is broken by the words, “It sounds like fun but, there’s no way we will insure it.”

The largest commercially available outboard for these boats with a short shaft (15” mid-section) in the USA is only 40 HP. The last year a commercial short shaft was offered in the USA that I know of was back in late 2000 and those were marked 2001 engines. Those seeking to get a short shaft outboard have to do business with home mechanics. Finding a good, honest, mechanic is tougher than finding someone to insure one of these boats. The only way a mechanic becomes proficient is by fixing a lot of broken stuff. How do you determine if the home mechanic trying to sell you an outboard is through their “breaking stuff phase”? It requires a lot of homework to locate the said mechanics former customers. If it were only as easy as walking into a dealership and leaving with a new 50-70 HP short shaft.

I looked into purchasing a NEW 50-70 HP Yamaha from an overseas dealer and a factory warranty was very important to me. I spoke with a warranty department service representative at Yamaha North America where I learned that a NEW imported Yamaha would be considered for a factory warranty on a case by case basis. Yamaha North America was very keen on seeing the original service-slip / checklist that should be issued by every authorized Yamaha dealer selling a new outboard.

Shore access for surf racing is another huge problem in this particular region of the USA. The pictures I see of racers in S.A. and Europe illustrate them driving their vehicles / trailers on the beach and launching the boats in the surf zone. ScreamAndFly.com forum member Berg969 is located near New York City, forum member Fast Fred is near Boston, and I’m in the middle near the Rhode Island border.... shore access is near non-existent! A lot of shoreline communities in this area have gated entrances and only owners can pass-go. Fishermen are arrested for trespassing when they’re just trying to fish... let alone launch a boat. 100 feet of shoreline sells for $500,000+ US in the Northeastern USA. When you do happen to find a beach it is almost certainly marked by swimming area buoys meaning stay away. The liability involved with having a “surf racing” event is not the idea of a good time to an Insurer.

When I take my boat out I hear second hand stories of people that are so infuriated by the sheer sight of my little inflatable out in areas with boats twice it’s size that they have threatened to take shots at me. The fact that the boat wheelies to get up on plane in rough seas really finds a sore spot in them. Inflatables are truly seen as second rate in the USA. I was out by a beach very popular with boaters this past summer. I had been racing around on the boat in open water and then approached the beach / harbor at wake speed. As I approached the shore there was a couple keen on my little boat… They’ve never seen anything like it, etc. The woman asked, “What big boat are you off of ?” I replied, “This is the big boat!”, to which she replied, “I’m sorry.” This same conversation has happened on two different occasions.

Performance Inflatable Racing was given the opportunity to go mainstream in the USA when the American Power Boat Association (APBA) gave the little inflatable boats their own division. The division was called Superlight Tunnel Boats. The boats went from a Special Events Class to a nationally recognized Division and due to lack of racers was demoted back to a Special Events Class. The American Outboard Federation (AOF) has also become involved with Super Light Tunnels. The Michigan racers have these little inflatables running 80+ MPH on flatwater.

If it doesn't say Boston Whaler or Grady White on the side of the boat... The vast majority of the people in the USA don't want anything to do with it.

Review by brand:

Aquarius Inflatable boats… I hear they are pretty well built and are considered fast for a performance inflatable hull. I have yet to lay eyes on an Aquarius hull.

Ceasar… I have never seen a Ceasar hull although, I know they win a lot of races on the other side of the pond.

Dux Inflatable Boats… Michigan, USA. Dux manufactures Performance Inflatable Boats of many sizes and for many applications including tenders, race boats, and rescue boats. They offer an unprecedented 10-year warranty on the hull which only applies to the original owner. They were featured in an episode of “Baywatch” about 10 years ago where the scantily clad lifeguards we all love went out and had fun in the boats as they were supposedly testing them for rescue applications. The boats were originally marketed as being capable to handle a 50 HP short shaft engine while South African boats of other manufacture were rated for 70 HP. Overnight it seems Dux decided that their race hulls (the Dux Hammerhead) were good enough for 70 HP outboards and marketed them as such. The boats developed a reputation for falling apart with maximum horsepower. Even with 50 HP in surf conditions the Dux brand earned a bad reputation concerning longevity. The guys that own them and want them to last have had to take creative approaches to reinforce their transoms. I see that Dux has done the right thing and presently their max horsepower rating is 50 HP for their race boats.

I eagerly sought out a Dux dealer in my area to see their boats first hand. What I found was a dealer who knew very little about inflatables, period. The dealer had no experience with hulls of different manufacture and said he heard they were made poorly. I found that statement to be just the opposite. The Dux boats I saw (2002 models) just did not impress me at all. They utilized an aluminum transom that is through bolted to “ears” on each pontoon. There were wrinkles in the fabric where the ears torqued to accept the aluminum transom. The nosecones lacked features such as a grab rail and the seams lacked symmetry from one pontoon to the next. I remember being very put off after seeing the Dux line; from the handholds, to the grab lines, and even the profile of the hijackers. Dux has advertised that they are transitioning to a new 200,000 square foot facility and I am keen in what that will bring to the North American market. Dux also has an interesting picture of a Mercury Racing 60 HP 4-stroke on their website.

Seawolf Inflatables… Michigan, USA. This company has developed out of discontent among those who once worked for Dux Inflatable Boats. They appear to be knock-offs of the original Dux Inflatable line of boats in every sense of the word. The formation of this new company is a shining example of discontent within the very small Performance Inflatable community in the USA. I do not know if they are built exactly as the original Dux line, they may be better?? Their website is all too “copy cat” of Dux Inflatable Boats.

SuperDuxx, aka: Canadian Dux… sold in Canada. The same as Seawolf Inflatables.

Gemini… They are / were used by Florida racers for flat water racing and I was told by more than one racer that they personally thought they were poorly made. The hulls had a lot of difficulty dealing with the hot south Florida sun and Mercury 60 HP outboards. One story I heard of is that a retailer of the Gemini’s in Florida supposedly stored many of the hulls rolled up in a storage container that also included a significant amount of race fuel. PVC glue and strong fuel fume’s in a hot and humid storage container did not mix. The hulls were sold, fell apart quickly, and lawsuits followed. This is yet another example of why the sport has failed to prosper in the US.

Mako Inflatable Boats… The first one I saw had a carbon fiber nosecone and looked very rugged. The seams were symmetric from one pontoon to the other and overall it looked to be of very good manufacture. The transom was further reinforced (aftermarket) for the 70+ HP outboard on the transom. I recently saw a newer one and I had a very similar reaction to it as I did when I first saw the Dux line. It just did not look as nice or as well built as the first one I saw. I look forward to taking a better look at one of the new hulls.

ThunderDuck Inflatable Boats… California, USA. I do know that they are no longer manufactured. I did see one of the hulls and it looked very rugged. They had a reputation for being the best rough water hull in the late 1990’s.

Xtreme Inflatable Boats… South Africa. Their race boat is the Xtreme Predator. This manufacturer is headed by the International Man of Mystery, Murray Elliott. Murray originally taught the people at ThunderDuck how to build Performance Inflatable hulls as well as the people at Dux Inflatable Boats. When I first saw one of his hulls my first observation was that it was truly overbuilt compared to all the other brands I had seen. All of the seams were symmetric from one pontoon to the other. The handles and grab lines were the most robust of all the hulls I had seen. The hijackers are sealed to eliminate any foreign objects from coming in contact with the hijacker tubes and also serve to create a very rigid running surface. The transom is stainless steel and is secured in a manner that seems to be a mystery to the rest of the industry. The result is a very, very, secure transom to pontoon interface that will not flex with even the craziest 7,000 rpm, 70+ HP outboard you can bolt to the transom. In short, Murray’s attention to detail sets the standard for which to compare the manufacture of all other Performance Inflatable hulls. Compare for yourself! I purchased an Xtreme due to these qualities.

Hull and Outboard Retailers:

American Xtreme Marine… Florida, USA. They started out in the vicinity of New Jersey and advertise that they are now the exclusive importer of Xtreme Inflatable boats. Their background is with high end, deep vee, go fast boats and that is whom they primarily market their Performance Inflatable Boats. They have put together a very nice website although, I don't think it has ever been updated. They were very enthusiastic when they first started marketing the hulls at Poker Runs and appeared in many online forums offering demo’s and free video’s. In the very small market of Performance Inflatables they were quick to talk down on other retailers which I really didn’t care for. They also had a part in the delay of my personal Xtreme Predator. When my custom hull was grossly over due and fully paid for, they had pictures of it on their website, which I found out after the fact.

Mad Dog Inflatables… Massachusetts, USA. One of the owners is www.screamandfly.com member “Fast Fred”. I would not hesitate to get a Yamaha through Fast Fred. When I got my hull I combed the country to find a new 50-70 HP short shaft outboard and exchanged e-mails with 3 of Fred’s past customers I found through various forums. They told me they ran the piss out of their engines and they kept running great. One had a failure and the guy (the customer, not Fred) admitted operator error.... He flew too high for too long... too often... and had a partial meltdown. These boats are run hard and to have an engine that can take that beating and still ask for more is very comforting. If you go through the process of ordering an engine from Fred the end result will be an outboard custom made for your needs that gets you back to the dock at the end of the day. Fred can make your toy mild or wild!

Outboards Unlimited… Connecticut, USA. I know the owner is www.screamandfly.com member “Berg969”. He is a very active forum member and frequents S. Africa. He has put a lot of effort into developing his outboards to keep them light and very fast. Outboards Unlimited is worth a look for Performance Inflatable Boat hulls and for 50-70+ HP short shaft outboards.

Suncoast Marine… Michigan, USA. This retailer looks to be making a valiant effort to exploit the fun factor of Performance Inflatables. I know they used to (and possibly still do) offer Xtreme Inflatable hulls and I also see that they currently offer the Seawolf line of boats. I have spoken with them on the phone a few times. My first impression was that they are very enthusiastic about the sport and that they will stand behind their product.

Congratulations if you have made it this far. In Conclusion I would be very cautious of doing business with most of the people involved with Performance Inflatable Boats although there are some very sincere and knowledgeable people out there if you look hard enough. This sport is truly “Buyer Beware” at present. I would like nothing better than for this topic to generate some constructive criticism about the current state of Performance Inflatable boating in the USA but, if the past is any indicator, cheap shots will follow.

Mike Jette
Connecticut, USA

300x Stoker
02-03-2005, 08:14 PM
Great info. Nice job

Ospreyproduction
02-03-2005, 09:21 PM
Whew!! I'm exhausted...lol....good info, but I'm still exhausted.

Are there any dux type dealers in Florida or anywhere in the southeast that actually have product to demo ???

CTFreeDiver
02-07-2005, 03:45 PM
Osprey,

I urge you to contact the regional chairman of the APBA in your area. There are some racers in Florida and the chairman or local rep. would be your best bet to get a demo ride. American Xtreme Marine (www.americanxtrememarine.com) is now based out of Florida. It is possible that Dux has a local rep. Check out (www.duxboats.com) or call them and they may also be available to help.

Or.... Buy my boat.

Good Luck,

CT

Ospreyproduction
02-07-2005, 05:51 PM
Thanks for the info. My interest in a dealer down there is to do a segment of Extreme Marine TV on them. I'll call tomorrow and see if we can't set something up.

Fast Fred
02-07-2005, 08:37 PM
hey CT
well, ya, a lot of that, anyway gots over a doz new racers in stock,
Two of the major S.A. brands, one place, lots O' colors, and every thing to go with them. :cool:

Thunderduck, ya back in the day I bought my hulls from them, thay Imported them from Mako/Ballistic S.A.all those rough water boats were S.A.hulls.
then Thunderduck started makin thare own boats, in CA, then thay folded
about a year after started makin thare own boats, can't say I bought any
US made Thunderducks. :cool:

fountain35
08-08-2005, 01:18 PM
hmm interesting.

JW
08-08-2005, 07:00 PM
There just happened to be a Perf Inflat. boat on my lake this past weekend. Was too far away to see the brand, but it was yellow with what looked like a Tohatsu with a fancy paint job, but couldn't be sure. Sure looked like a fun boat. And way up here in southern Michigan! Wonder who it was.........

spn#43
08-08-2005, 09:40 PM
why don't you race???
:) :cool: :cool: :cool: http://image48.webshots.com/49/3/98/3/347639803sydLSa_fs.jpg

spn#43
08-08-2005, 09:43 PM
:cool: :cool: :cool: :) http://image14.webshots.com/14/4/14/26/347641426crmmZL_fs.jpg

Fast Fred
08-09-2005, 05:35 AM
could have been any brand, region 6 has alot of racers, some of the fastest ,
the Marathon Nationals will be held in MI, in about a week or so :cool:

spn#43
08-09-2005, 06:30 PM
I posted some pictures and they mysteriously disappeared.?????? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: strange :confused:

Fast Fred
08-10-2005, 05:13 AM
try again, I'd like to see what ya got :cool:

Fast Fred
04-28-2009, 05:23 PM
the Merton's would have set a record (as in one) if they was runnin an oak log.
so not much go on with that.

South African Hulls are the best hulls, but hey you can run what ever you want.
for the record, no Dux boat has ever set a record unless the Meton's were drivin it, thay stopped racin SLT's about 10years ago.

feel free to show up at the TOP O' and show us all how it's done, in your DUX:eek::rolleyes::eek::cool:

Fast Fred
04-28-2009, 06:06 PM
thinkin about it some more, thinkin dux did win at the TOP O' in bandit, and think they set the bandit kilo in the same hull.:eek::cool:

berg969
04-28-2009, 06:12 PM
i want to see one run with a 70 in x

JKOONTZ
05-05-2009, 08:44 PM
the only inflatable catamaran boat that can handle a high horsepower motor like a 70hp or 90hp would be a thunderduck inflatable boat. their transoms are stainless steel from tube to tube, not like other boats that are made of aluminium and plastic mounts:nonod:. yes their back and up and running. they were at the fred hall fishing show in feb 09. in long beach i think?

mr fun
05-05-2009, 08:51 PM
Whew!! I'm exhausted...lol....good info, but I'm still exhausted.

Are there any dux type dealers in Florida or anywhere in the southeast that actually have product to demo ???

you would have some "wood", hey "wood dux" :D

Fast Fred
05-06-2009, 05:19 AM
the best boats Thunderduck ever sold were made in South Africa, they started makin thare own hulls and the hulls were not fast. you and Dux are just sales men and most likely don't even own a Hull of any kind.

90hp is not guna get it done, seein how in "X" most have 100hp+.

Aquarus been runnin stainless transoms for about the last 10years, thay are also about the fastest hull thare is, i do not own one, or make them or sell them.

go to the TOP O', see as many hulls as ya can, skip the hype, BS, and that.

JKOONTZ
05-06-2009, 11:41 AM
thunderduck is still making boats in south africa ,and yes i own their hull with a 50 hp and i get 48 mph, im not that crazy when it comes to horsepower, but i know people that are ,im not a sales person, just putting my two cents in thank you.

Fast Fred
05-06-2009, 06:11 PM
my first hull was a Thunderduck, with a stocker 50hp:cool:.

Extreme Fun
05-17-2009, 08:38 AM
I own a 13ft SuperDuxx (2003 model), powered with a 40 hp 2-stroke Tohatsu outboard, it runs 42mph, very stable and safe. No complains about the transom design, i think it is the best and have beaten the boat up pretty bad.....

Fast Fred
05-18-2009, 06:02 AM
?,welcome to S&F, 40hp is under powered, the transom should have no trouble what so ever no matter who made the hull with 50hp or less.:cool:

aplepear
08-03-2009, 06:15 PM
Unfortunately, starting at the beginning of last year and culminating two weeks ago all the patches (foot straps, rope straps, transom welds) on the Xtreme Predator referred to in the original post (I bought it third hand) started giving way. Luckily the seam on the rear main starboard tube let loose while the boat was tied to my dock two days after a 30 mile trip partially submerging the rear starboard corner and the engine ignition.

Murray (via facebook) said that the sun eventually wears out the glue and that is what eventually happens to the seams. Boat US will insure the boat as long as it never goes in the water again.

Fun while it lasted (2003-2009) RIP. Short Shaft 60 HP Mercury Motor still runs good.

Seawolf 1550 Predator on order.

fs5
08-04-2009, 03:52 AM
Unfortunately, starting at the beginning of last year and culminating two weeks ago all the patches (foot straps, rope straps, transom welds) on the Xtreme Predator referred to in the original post (I bought it third hand) started giving way. Luckily the seam on the rear main starboard tube let loose while the boat was tied to my dock two days after a 30 mile trip partially submerging the rear starboard corner and the engine ignition.

Murray (via facebook) said that the sun eventually wears out the glue and that is what eventually happens to the seams. Boat US will insure the boat as long as it never goes in the water again.

Fun while it lasted (2003-2009) RIP. Short Shaft 60 HP Mercury Motor still runs good.

Seawolf 1550 Predator on order.

hi mate ,what speeds did you get out of the 60hp merc on the predator?
i have a mate over here who is getting a new predator hull.he will be running a brand new short shaft 55 seapro on it.

aplepear
08-04-2009, 06:37 PM
All depends on the weight. My predator is 15.5 feet. I use two 12 gallon gas tanks (one fore and one aft) so if they are full and I have a passenger on board I don't think I go over 35. (~4800 RPM) (feels like 25 MPH)

By myself with nearly empty tanks probably does about 40 MPH at about (~5200 RPM)

By myself with nearly empty tanks and a head wind probably around mid 40's MPH (~6000 RPM) (Feels like 55 MPH)

Find attached an image of the lower unit.

Anyway, performance is very weight sensitive. Would avoid more than to full size adults on it with a 55 HP.

fs5
08-05-2009, 01:53 AM
thanks for the reply ,i didn't realize yours was a 15.5 ft version.
the one my mates getting is the smaller 14ft version.

olmo40
08-05-2009, 02:49 AM
Not an expert ,but have an interest , I have been told the stainless transomes put a lot of stress back thru the boat as opposed to aluminium which absorbes it ??

JKOONTZ
09-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Unfortunately, starting at the beginning of last year and culminating two weeks ago all the patches (foot straps, rope straps, transom welds) on the Xtreme Predator referred to in the original post (I bought it third hand) started giving way. Luckily the seam on the rear main starboard tube let loose while the boat was tied to my dock two days after a 30 mile trip partially submerging the rear starboard corner and the engine ignition.

Murray (via facebook) said that the sun eventually wears out the glue and that is what eventually happens to the seams. Boat US will insure the boat as long as it never goes in the water again.

Fun while it lasted (2003-2009) RIP. Short Shaft 60 HP Mercury Motor still runs good.

Seawolf 1550 Predator on order.
sorry to hear about the boat. how old was it? was it in good condition when you bought it? how much air did you have in it, when the seam blew? i had an old dux (2001) that sat to long in the sun inflated at 3 psi and the seam blew. nice merc.

JKOONTZ
09-12-2009, 12:44 AM
Not an expert ,but have an interest , I have been told the stainless transomes put a lot of stress back thru the boat as opposed to aluminium which absorbes it ??
dont know who told you that, but the reason for the stainless steel transom was for higher hp motors, without the transom craking. own a thunderduck suv (13') with a TLDI 50hp both new. thunderduck makes the abdutor for the navy seal's and they don't seem to have a problem with a stainless steel transom.

stokernick
09-12-2009, 10:51 AM
will there be representation this year at the Ct.River Run?

the player
09-20-2009, 02:46 AM
:iagree:Now look everyone I have driven, skied, tubed, raced, jumped waves in the ocean and played in almost all the cat inflatable’s and let me tell you the Thunderduck cat was the most stable, solid feeling and did not porpoise boat I have ever been in! <ST1:pMurray</ST1:p is number three in the world as far as racers go and he builds the boats he races! Last I heard he was pushing 72 MPH in a 13’! Please understand all inflatable boats last about 5 to 10 years depending on how well you care for them and use. The Thunderduck brand cats are the most durable quality made inflatable boat to date and I dare anyone to prove otherwise! I have run a 90 HP 20” TLDI on my 13' Thunderduck and there is no way a Dux would ever hold up with that motor! Hell I could hardly hold on to the tiller after an hour! Fast oh man! I stopped at 62 MPH GPS and that was half throttle! Now that is a well built boat!<O:p</O:p
Check out thunderduckinflatables.com even the military knows they build a boat that gets the job done right! That is why they have them! Why settle for less when you can have the best!<O:p</O:p
Did I mention I have a couple of them! Let’s race in the ocean, the real test! Put your money where your mouth is!<O:p</O:p

olmo40
09-20-2009, 03:38 AM
dont know who told you that, but the reason for the stainless steel transom was for higher hp motors, without the transom craking. own a thunderduck suv (13') with a TLDI 50hp both new. thunderduck makes the abdutor for the navy seal's and they don't seem to have a problem with a stainless steel transom.


The Ceaser salesman of course ;)

Vicious
09-20-2009, 10:23 AM
I have a ceaser 11' SLT as a tender and had two 13' Dux before that and the build quality of the ceaser is superior over the dux.
I am going to sell the ceaser and buy a new XTM inflatable, I looked at one at the Miami boat show and was very impressed with there build quality and material used and transom design . I had repaired a few Tohatsu 50,hp on the back of Mako slt's in Michigan and was very impressed with the boat.
That is why I will try the XTM next. I will include a couple of pics of my ceaser if anybody is intrested. No motor or trailer Hull only make offer.

perthcatboy
12-05-2009, 12:14 AM
hi mate ,what speeds did you get out of the 60hp merc on the predator?
i have a mate over here who is getting a new predator hull.he will be running a brand new short shaft 55 seapro on it.



Yup thats me!
Still running the seapro in at the moment, done three long hours, so I havn't pushed it hard yet.
The Predator build quality at first inspection is definately better than Ceasar, (I had a Ceasar from mid 2005 and did 400+ hours with it) however it handles quite differently (even with my 50hp Yamaha), I have not really gotten it totally sussed out yet.

Fast Fred
12-05-2009, 05:05 AM
:cool: funny stuff.:eek::cool:

Detroit whitey
01-16-2010, 10:27 PM
WOW!!! i just read this hole thread and i feel i have come a long way in the rubber boat world.I myself have had five differnt hulls and all have had there own little issues i`ve had a 95ceasar hard bottom great boat but it fell apart no joke a mako thank you fred.a aquarius all blue this boat just wasnt a race boat but a great play rig.thundercat great boat just was getting a little ruff around the edges but fast and predictable,And now i have in my mind one of the fastest hulls built the aquacat by aquarius but time will tell

warx
04-21-2010, 11:53 AM
I have a 13' Thunderduck SUV with a TLDI 50. With a 3-blade I get about 48mph riding single and with a 4-blade I get 43mph but with a lot more torque (for taking off, pulling a kneeboard - but also for wrenching off your arm!).

I have used it a bit in the SF Bay but its heading inland for a permanent spot on the Sacto Delta.

Cool reading that these boats are still around in the 'States. Just taking the boat of hibernation so getting back into it.

https://sites.google.com/site/mikesthunderduck/

Mike.

Rmat
04-22-2010, 11:57 AM
Great info in this thread!
I was looking into getting a performance inflatable, more of a recreational than a pure race machine. I was struggling to find any decent used rigs 1 - 2 years old. Was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction??
Thanks in advance.

warx
04-22-2010, 12:09 PM
I know of a Zapcat with a Yamaha 70 tuned to over 90hp that will be for sale soon here in NorCal. Engine might already taken. Boat is very clean and has extras. I will post the ad when the seller puts it on craigslist.

Mike.

Fast Fred
05-21-2010, 06:31 AM
i know that Zapcat, and that 70hp CES;)

Thunderduck
05-28-2010, 09:42 AM
Mike, sounds like you need a different propeller (??). That set-up should run near 60 mph with two adults.

Binger
09-27-2010, 08:39 PM
Hey guys I have just taken on Aquarius and will be setting up a dealer ship network across the country, just thought i should introduce my self. if anyone needs anything let me know, i also have a facebook page open to anyone that is interested in the sport. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=152931208057776

Calis
09-28-2010, 04:12 AM
We ran a Ceaser, prob the best Cat you could get but thats just my opinion.

heres a vid of us almost putting it over. didnt help we where sitting on the transom!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43rhRQy4AOg

brogreg
06-25-2011, 01:31 AM
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they claim that the pump is designed to automatically pop off at 6 psi i contacted the pump manufacture regarding there pump and the valves used in the dux and no such function was designed into the pump the inner bladder instructions were inflate like a soft pillow when i contacted dux i was told to send it back at my expense $700 both ways i eventually was able to repair it myself the second spring i was getting it ready as per the instructions and it exploded violently
once again i was told to send it back at my expense i requested a new boat and was told that because they were a new company the best they could do was sell me a new boat with a very small discount

21 years in business doesn't seam all that new
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Fast Fred
06-25-2011, 04:14 AM
Dux, ya it's a pool toy. if yous need help let me know, i'll help ya. real superlights are made in South Africa .

berg969
06-26-2011, 12:41 PM
Dux, ya it's a pool toy. if yous need help let me know, i'll help ya. real superlights are made in South Africa .

Agreed

BC Black Max
11-12-2011, 01:02 AM
Agreed

DUX is JUNK. I have one....had to rebuild the transom and weld it together after it cracked. Contacted DUX "Tina" and "Tom" got a bunch of lip service. Tina denied that any manufacturing defects could exist. The rubber all around the transom and the plastic blocks that they glued together came apart. I spent the best week of the summer gluing it back together just to get through..... I am going to put a 9.9 on it and let my daughter run support boat this summer with it. Or maybe my British Seagull and chase around sturgeon on the river.

Just put in an order for 3 brand new Gemini-Evo boats. Delivery in Jan. Can't wait.

Fast Fred
11-12-2011, 07:47 AM
none of them are much for warranty, not one. some make a far better hull than others (South Africa), so warranty stuff is not a big issue for the most part with them.
unwrap the hulls as soon as you can, an inflate it.
they wrap them tight for shippin.

best of luck.

Binger
01-03-2012, 07:55 AM
none of them are much for warranty, not one. some make a far better hull than others (South Africa), so warranty stuff is not a big issue for the most part with them.
unwrap the hulls as soon as you can, an inflate it.
they wrap them tight for shippin.

best of luck.

We Warranty our hulls for 3 years and lifetime on the transom (ours is stainless steel)

JOLLEY
02-10-2012, 09:40 AM
Still have a Ceasar and a Thunder Dux..... They are both still holding air and have lasted forever ..........:):)

Binger
02-10-2012, 09:48 AM
Still have a Ceasar and a Thunder Dux..... They are both still holding air and have lasted forever ..........:):)

If you want to come out for a fun run (poker run) or race let me know we have a bunch of events lined up for this summer in MI and Ontario.

JOLLEY
02-10-2012, 10:34 AM
Great !! I'll keep an eye on this thread for news :):) Thanks, Bill