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B.Mac
09-06-2004, 07:10 AM
I'm not trying to be a smartguy here......
I run in Sarasota Bay @ 90 in Vegas XT with a full Lifeline most times by myself.
I know this sounds like a no brainer but at what point does a helmet and restraints overcome the risks associted with helmet induced neck injury?
Is this totally a judgement call?
Which is the greater danger here......
open face helmet and no restraints (potential for neck injury) or no helmet and potential head trauma?
Am I being overly cautious in going the restraint/ fullface route for recreational HP boating?
Flame suit zipped up.......
B.MAC:D

Rickracer
09-06-2004, 07:30 AM
You are too valuable a resource (both to this board and to your family) to take chances. Go for the full face and helmet restraints. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. :cool:

Dukeofchippewa
09-06-2004, 09:47 AM
Bob Norskog designed a anti-bucketing helmet back in late 70s. APBA wouldn't approve it. I sent them an email to see if it is available. Haven't heard from them yet.

Techno
09-06-2004, 01:17 PM
Chistopher Reeves fell off a horse. He only had 1 HP and look at what it did to him.
The point at which you take it off/put it on is up to you.


No helmet still allows a neck injury.
Helmets are nice for reducing the noise and full face have built in goggles. Look at the pluses.;)

Recreational high speeds are more dangerous than a racers high speed. You have no race track support system and could be further from rescue. Also how much is your boat checked for deficiencies? Stuff breaking or coming lose.
Drive a race anything into a wall and a recreational anything the racer will win almost everytime on survivability.
This is a guess but I think the majority of accidents in both sports are due to the same reason and not from another boat or outside influences. What causes a racer to wreck and a rec to wreck are about the same causes.
The physics of the 2 are almost identical.

RB in NM
03-03-2005, 02:16 PM
I got a brand new never used LifeLine helmet restraint, 5 point for full face helmet, chest sized 44-46 I think,,,,if'n yer so inclined.
Drop me an email bud!
Russ

Ray Neudecker
03-03-2005, 07:18 PM
You are operating in conditions which are much less predictable than race conditions. Many more serious injuries and deaths occur on lakes rivers ect. than at races. The helmet,Life line and restraints should be considered a minimum of safety steps.

Rocket
03-07-2005, 12:20 PM
You are operating in conditions which are much less predictable than race conditions. Many more serious injuries and deaths occur on lakes rivers ect. than at races. The helmet,Life line and restraints should be considered a minimum of safety steps.

I second that! At the race's we have rescue that can get to us in seconds! At the lake, you are more likely to have a problem and have to wait for help!

But,,,,,ALWAYS Use a Helmet with the Helmet RESTRAINTS!!!!!!!!

If you are going to run at these speeds then you need EVERY bit of protection known! The Lifeline type jackets with leg straps for sure too! ALWAYS!

And if I may add one more thing,,,,,, Please always have somebody watching you run at high speeds, so that they can at least call 911 and even come help you out if,,, you GET -WET! :eek: (even a guy on a jet ski or something).

W. Tripp
03-07-2005, 12:29 PM
the most common neck injury is cracking the vertebra called C2 where the spinal column connects to the head. This is usually done by the weight of the head sliding forward like a drawer. The weight of a helmet can increase the chances of this injury, but a helmet prevent many other injuries.

The state of California did a lot of testing and research on injuries and helmets involved in cycle wrecks - a lot of this info is available on te web. It was determined that the weight of the helmet has a lot to do with neck injuries.

The helmet restraint are a good way to control the weight of the head and helmet in an accident. Use a light weight helmet like the ones made in Kevlar or carbon from KBC or others. Look for one that has a removeable liner so it can be cleaned when it gets sweaty. I have a couple of good helmets that I don't use anymore because they STINK (and I do mean STINK), and the liner cannot be removed and cleaned easily or very well.

halveb
03-11-2005, 05:24 PM
Based on the photo's from Hank's accident last weekend I think that helmet restraints are a good idea whether you have a full face helmet or not. Doesn't look like his face shield was able to stand up to the pressure. I would think that bucketing can occur more easily with the face mask off. In fact if you hit right any part of the helmet around the neck can act like a bucket so in that case then strapping your noggin to your body is definetely a good thing.

You could do this without a helmet but I don't know if you want to put the very heavy duty piercings in to attach the restraints to. Not sure of the shear strength of skin either. Just kidding of course. :D

Seeing those photos has made me consider the inherent dangers in our sport more closely.

Tantrum
03-16-2005, 01:54 PM
Use a light weight helmet like the ones made in Kevlar or carbon from KBC or others. Look for one that has a removeable liner so it can be cleaned when it gets sweaty. I have a couple of good helmets that I don't use anymore because they STINK (and I do mean STINK), and the liner cannot be removed and cleaned easily or very well.

Put them in the Dishwasher.
When I raced motocross I had a few STANKY lids. Tried the dishwasher because they were unwearable anyway and it worked very well. Dont let it go to the dry cycle and use a very little bit of laudry detergent. Let air dry in the sun.

Rocket
07-02-2005, 02:27 PM
Put them in the Dishwasher.
When I raced motocross I had a few STANKY lids. Tried the dishwasher because they were unwearable anyway and it worked very well. Dont let it go to the dry cycle and use a very little bit of laudry detergent. Let air dry in the sun.


Tip #1234 For Stinky Helmets!!! Put a dryer sheet in them after everytime you use it! :D It will absorb the moister and help cover up that STANK! :eek:

CLIMATEMASTER
09-01-2006, 06:10 PM
Put helmet in cardboard box with ozone generator for a few hours. Will smell better than new after.

tabararacing
09-07-2006, 10:36 AM
Hey Guys, not sure if this is my place to say something, I'm by no means a helmet expert, but helmets range in shape and sizes, and weight. Helmets come in different weights. If you get the top of the line race helmets they tend to be much lighter and stronger. (so the certifications say)
It's just a recomendation. My latest simpson bandit is even lighter than my last one, which was quite a bit lighter than the one before that. See the trend? Helmets are getting lighter and stronger.

Good Luck and safe boating.
Brian
PS: The Karting guys also have their act together on helmets, and weights with the helmets. A lighter helmet is more comfortable to wear, and more importantly maybe even safer.

The Big Al
09-07-2006, 11:00 AM
Could do like Karting, full face and a neck collar.

Things to think about in a helmet, weight and visability.

Weight is a fatigue factor.

Also, in auto racing be sure what your looking at, with drag racing most helmets are designed with small windows, this is so they can block out distractions. NASCAR design is wide but narrow to protect from fire and the full face goes further down in the front, limiting the ability to look down.

Price is not a factor in helmets, just because it cost more does not mean it's safer.

In my choose only 2 company's I trust, Simpson and Bell.

Now, Simpson has a lot of advantages over the competition, if you grow are need the interior done in your helmet you can have it rebuilt. And it's not expensive. Also if your in a crash, Simpson would like to see your helmet, they will fix it for free, or give you a discount coupon worth 50% on your next one!

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