Ally vs dr-20 and 1/4 master

[lakeracer007]

Ive been running allisons for 8 years and i'm thinkin bout tryin
something different next year. We rope race up here, seems like the dr-20 or the quartermaster would be a little more consisitant.
Whats you alls input?

Scott
THe OKIE

[quickonstep]

ill just keep it a saftey aspect... ally's like to hook left or right at high speeds, so thats not good... dr-20's like to blow over consistantly... and that leaves us with the quarter master... never blown over, and they are a winning boat in some classes in odba... so id have to say the quarter master

Jesse

[Ted Stryker]

They're all fast obviously..I don't think any are quicker to 110 mph than the DR-20... In my opinion the Quarter Master reigns above that for the reasons afformentioned by quickonstep... The Allison requires a little more attention while under acceleration - more than the other two in question and I'll think than may in some circumstances give the edge to the Tunnels... From what I've seen the ALLY may have a stronger tendency to hop for the first few hundred feet if the set-up is a little off while the Tunnels seem to pull cleanly with more consistancy.. All this that I'm saying is purely opinion based ... I'm personally prefer an ALLISON, but to be non-biased and analytical I think the Tunnels set-up easier and are a pinch more consistant... The fastest outboard boat that I have seen is a Quarter Master , but it also has tons of power...

[qmaster023]

IF YOU ARE FORTUNATE TO FIND A QUARTERMASTER IT IS THE BOAT TO BUY. I LOOKED FOR THREE YEARS TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO BUY ONE. AS THE OTHERS SAID IT IS A VERY SAFE BOAT AT SPEED. TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM WALLY AT TRIAD. HE BUILDS A VERY NICE BOAT. HOWEVER I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IF YOU CAN FIND A QUARTERMASTER YOU WOULD BE GETTING THE FASTEST DRAG BOAT MADE RIGHT NOW.

[CUDA]

Triad has a new Drag boat comming out, it will be in the 18 ft. range;) I don't know how quick you need one , but I would give Wally a call.

[Dukeofchippewa]

Ok, I'm old. but who makes the dr-20 and 1/4 master.

[copper]

Short & Sweet>1/4 Master:eek:

[Dukeofchippewa]

Couldn't find anything on the web about it.

[Raceman]

Duke, Triad makes the DR20. It's anybody's guess who's making the Quartermaster now. Rumor is that the present owner of the molds doesn't build the boats himself but contracts em with a commercial builder.

[Dukeofchippewa]

Thanks Raceman, I raced against the STV, didn't know Triad made them.

[W. Tripp]

I run a Triad DR-20 because it has an enclosed capsule, and I can push it closer to the edge of "out of control" without being worried about getting hurt. The boats are stable at speed - the drivers are not. And ONLY Wally Lamkin at Triad shows this level of support to his racers.

I have lost to Quartermasters and Allisons, and I have put them both on the trailer. They both have their good points. All three hulls do well with power from 260's up through Nitrous Oxide injected Unlimited engines.

Personally, if I were in your position, I would contact owners of all three boats and get their opinions. And BEG for a chance to drive all three types with similar power set up to run the same class. Trying to get opinions from a public forum from those who have never driven these hulls is wasting your time.

That is just my .02, but I stick by it.

[CUDA]

Hey Wayne congrads on the WIN in Pro Gas :D I heard there are some JohnGalenRudes looking for you. See you in Jasper.

[V8astrovan]

i say u stick w/ the ally... if not dr20... the dr20's r sweet looking boats

[Steve Zuckerman]

The tunnels are more consistent, because they are so much easier to drive. If you race on an index, consistency is everything.
You can dial in the boat (on the index) and then concentrate on your RT.
I've never driven a DR-20, but I do like them, they are very fast, and they are safe if you blow 'em over (ask Ron Hausman).
I have a friend who rope races one and he's found handling the holding rope with the canopy a hassel. You may find that it's not a big deal. He's actually cut his canopy short to make handling the rope easier. This isn't an issue with ODBA style, idle in starts.
Wally's open boat boats, the various STVs, are good bracket boats, and they make good lake hot rods too, unlike the DR-20 and quartermaster.
The Qmaster is easy to drive, and with the open cockpit, there's no rope handling issue. The only downside is there is no capsule if you wipe out. That is very unlikely, as no one has ever blown one over that I'm aware of. The biggest issue is finding one. Look for a Collins boat ('97 or older), and you'll be happy. I have no idea what's going on with the current ownership at Mirage.
Regards,
Steve

[lakeracer007]

Thanks for all the input guys, You told me what I was wanting to
here and I agree they are all very fast boats but my experiance
with the ally's is concistancy off the line however they are alot
more fun to drive. To me you can't beat the rush of driving an
allison. And the driver is what makes an ally run. But I'm looking
for consisitancy now, driving the 1/4 master or dr-20 is probably
boring after driving allisons for this long, but i'm ready for a change for a while.

[trbocharge]

Ben, when is your Quartermaster going to be ready for battle??.....The club needs more Pro Boats.....thanks for assistance in Sunbury......great time....

[TNT]

QMASTER FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Casey]

you may also want to talk to jack barsh at full throttle powerboats. i bought mine earlier this year and could not be more impressed with the way it runs. they make a T-1 which has an enclosed capsule and a T-3 which is an open center steer boat.

all the boats mentioned are great boats and can win once setup correctly.

[Sam Baker]

I've never driven a DR-20, so I can't comment directly. However, I have owned 2 XR-2001 Drags and 2 QuarterMasters. If I were racing SuperStock or Modified Production in ODBA, I'd run the Allison - I think it's faster.

If I were running Bracket Drags where consistency was key, I'd run the QuarterMaster - no doubt about it. The Allison is faster, but it's also easier to get out of whack although most ODBA tracks are very controlled and much calmer than what we run up here in the great white north with cruiser wakes going through our course.

The QuarterMaster gets the nod from a cool factor standpoint I think. Most people think it's an airplane or an indy car without its wheels.

It is REALLY cool to drive because you don't see anything but water in front of you - kind of like sitting in the front seat of the roller coaster.

So, when you factor in the money, I would buy the QuarterMaster. I currently own an Allison SuperSport so I am not a Mirage Biased person necessarily. The only DEFINITE downside between the two is the quality difference. The Allison is an immaculately built boat. The Mirage can be spotty at best if bought from Florida. Not bad, just not as good as an Allison. Also, you will definitely need to spend some time getting it sealed - they do leak like a sive (at least both of mine have).

Mike is building them again I think. E-mail me - I can try and get a hold of him for you if you're looking new.

sam.baker@scaryfast.com

[TNT]

well what if u were runnin unlimited??

[Jason Mosow]

I you want to go fast there is only 1 boat!!!!!!!!!!!

[lakeracer007]

I've made up my mind,

SOMEONE FIND ME A 1/4 MASTER:D

[Unloaded Racing]

Hands Down, If you are rope racin they are the stuff. Most forgiving true drag boat you will ever drive. Very stable and very quick. You won't be disappointed and they are not boring to drive.
Yes guys I like mine even better now.
Tim

[Sam Baker]

I think that's my old boat that Jason's got. It went from me to Tim Peletier then to Tom Squiers then I think to Travis Tuttle, etc. I was told it won Smokin' in the Cove last year. That boat has all the steering rigged inside of it and has our bottom mods which help it take off straighter, free up the outside sponsons and not crab sideways going down the course. It made letting off a lot more enjoyable.

[lakeracer007]

Sam,

Is Travis Tuttle from TX. if so I know him, I met him at a race a couple of years ago, he was running a mirage RR at that time
and I had John Tigers old Ally, you guys might remember it
allison called it Project econo rocket. It was a White xr2002

[yellowallison]

Originally posted by TNT
well what if u were runnin unlimited??
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There are no unlimited classes left to run in!.... HUH!



Thre have been 8 or more boats runnin in unlimted ODBA races....

If yu want to run fast and win in unlimited..

according to Checkered Flag this yr yu need a Quatershot!

Unlimited –

1.) Ray Leach 9+10+10+10+9=48

2.) Marty Logan 10+7+5+8+8=38

3.) Jack Barsh 8+6+0+9+9=33

4.) Dewitt Deweese III 6+9+7+5+5=32

5.) Bobby Warren 5+8+8+6+4=31

6.) Mike Muldrow 0+5+6+4+0=15

7.) Paul Sweet 0+0+9+0+0=9

8.) RJ Wanska 7+0+0+0+0=7

8.) Jason Mosow 0+0+0+7+0=7




:o

[Jason Mosow]

We did get the boat from Travis, had more bottom work done. I also changed the NOS system for the style racing we do, I have only raced it twice in unlimited trim in ODBA and dont have any trouble running with the best of them. Fast and stable unless your trim happy, but very forgiving. I run the boat in the mid to upper 130's no problem.

[Jason Mosow]

The pionts are a little off, Jack and Ray both got 9 pionts for FL and I did not get any.

[JTS Racing]

Originally posted by yellowallison
Originally posted by TNT
well what if u were runnin unlimited??
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There are no unlimited classes left to run in!.... HUH!



Thre have been 8 or more boats runnin in unlimted ODBA races....

If yu want to run fast and win in unlimited..

according to Checkered Flag this yr yu need a Quatershot!

:o

This ole horse will never die and my opinion will never change. It is nothing more than a class of heavy boats with nitrous. At least that addition of another 50#'s of weight is finally giving the Quatershot a chance:eek:

[us1ss]

Jeff, finally giving it a chance?

Do you actually believe what you type or are you just trying to get some attention?

[JTS Racing]

Originally posted by Mike Muldrow
Jeff, finally giving it a chance?

Do you actually believe what you type or are you just trying to get some attention?

Mike, Does it matter what I believe? OK....so if not the weight then maybe??? Ugh, never mind, it's getting the intention of this thread off track.

So yes TNT, the Quartermaster would do good in the outboard drags even with a lot of nitrous.

Go here and ask the folks that run um: http://www.odbaonline.com/forums/

[heath brinkley]

calling a class unlimited and running UNLIMITED are very different.

I consider Unlimited, well UNLIMITED, run whatchya brung. No weights, any motors, any fuel, anything. Only limit being balls.

[Jason Mosow]

If you run what u brung, it would not be very good racing for the fans. Plus weighing in at 1100 pounds with NOS you would not have anyone to run with. Thats not fun.

[us1ss]

Heath by your definition of Unlimited every local yokel is Unlimited they all "run what ya brung" with no limits.

In organized racing you have to have standards regarding many things, safety being the biggest. Every organization involved in the promotion of boat racing regards safety as the most important aspect of the sport. With the advent of new safety devices and methods comes weight. APBA increased 120 weight minimums for safety last year in OPC as an example. The days of paper thin death trap boats are hopefully over due to the responsible organizations that promote racing today.

[heath brinkley]

I didn't say it would be fun or safe or competitive, only to say it is limited. Unlimited gives the impression of unlimited, when in fact it is limited. Unlimited would usually lead to one guy dominating that class, and who dominated it would have more to do with money than balls.

[heath brinkley]

Furthermore, I'm not even saying they should or should not have a unlimited class, only that the guy who said you can't find anymore unlimited classes was right. Even Top Fuel classes in NHRA are limited, which is why they are called Top Fuel, not Unlimited.

[Jason Mosow]

Yall are going alittle to far with this. It is what it is "UNLIMITED". If you want to run with the DOGS come run with us!!!!!!!
ODBA UNLIMITED

JASON MOSOW aka "KID"

[JTS Racing]

Originally posted by Mike Muldrow
Heath by your definition of Unlimited every local yokel is Unlimited they all "run what ya brung" with no limits.

In organized racing you have to have standards regarding many things, safety being the biggest. Every organization involved in the promotion of boat racing regards safety as the most important aspect of the sport. With the advent of new safety devices and methods comes weight. APBA increased 120 weight minimums for safety last year in OPC as an example. The days of paper thin death trap boats are hopefully over due to the responsible organizations that promote racing today.

BS!! Since you are running the class I would expect nothing less than to defend it. However, don't use the safety excuse. If that was truely the reason then please explain why a non-nitrous boat can run the class at competitive speed at a lesser weight and be considered safe????? The weight does not scurb enough top end speed to make marginal difference. It does affect the ET a couple tenths.

To myself and numerous others it appeared that 1250 was quite safe until some new style boats started showing up and were taking attention away from some of the regulars. The story handed out in the beginning was that ODBA wanted more of the TYPE of boats that they normally see in the class. Well let's see what happens at Jasper. There will be a couple tricked out rides running at the lesser weight. Should the engines stay together, the nitous rides had better be set on kill. These have may passes in the brackets with low 8's being the normal with some high 7's on good runs. Humm, wonder if a light boat should win if then it won't be considered safe and that weight minimum go up :rolleyes:

After several hours on the road and 2 states from home, some time to think has led me to the conclusion.......Mike, yes I believe what I say. I'm not caught in a hobby were it's the only think to do or because this is the way it is, it's what it is, and all we got. That is why boat racing is no more than it is............I like controversy. It is part of situtational awarness and progress anaylization. I look for possibilities and create opportunites of positive change in systems to push the limits of innovational design. Too bad some others don't want more....they could have it!

[Ray Leach]

You are right about one thing Jeff you do like contraversy, starting it for the most part. If you don't like what the ODBA is doing then just do us all a favor and just stay out of it. If you don't like the channel watch something else, but to constantly bitch about it is getting so old. I will answer one of your questions though, if someone shows up can win at 1100# without nitrous then I will be the first shake their hand, it can be done that's why the rule is in place.

Finally, I think your comment about Quartershots not being able win without the additional weight is not only untrue, but an insult, we have worked very hard with my boat and are considerably faster than last year. I think my fellow class participants will agree we have done our homework although certainly we are not unbeatable but showing some consistence. Jeff, I'm sure you and I will have to agree to disagree, but give it some thought.

Ray Leach

[us1ss]

Jeff, I really don't care about your views on the weight however when you state that an increase in weight is what makes a Quartershot able to win I have to step in and call BULL****!

Having said that, you apparently believed you could compete at 1300 but now you can't at 1350?

Unlimited is whatever you want it to be. Unlimited amount of Nitrous crammed into the motor, unlimited mods, unlimited cubic inches, unlimited amount of bitchin and complaining. Whatever just bring it and run your boat against the most competitive Unlimited class seen in several years.

[JTS Racing]

Ray, First off, go back and read. I replied the comment based on the post that the Quartershot is the one to beat. Not true. It had the capibilities before, but as you noted, it's the homework and ability to keep the power together that has made ya a winner...... and one well deserved. From day one, everyone should have known I'm not one to just drop my head and walk away. If I disagree with something I will say so. If the answers I get are inconsistant as they have been then I won't quite asking.

Mike, I believed I could possibility compete by adding weight at 1250. I was somewhat happy and amazed with the performance at 1300 considering I added near 150#'s of weight. Sorry but just no more room for 1" steal plates at the balance point. BTW....how much weight you and Ray adding to make weight?

Once again, if the additional weight was for safety, what prompted it? What mishap led to that conclusion other than the possibility that the type of hulls competeing are not capable of handling additional speed? With the past history of the club's good ole boy footprint, I was reluctant to run with ya. But when I did and got to kown a few (who, for whatever reason are not around much these days) had actually began to think it was changing. :rolleyes:

Jeff Young

[CUDA]

And you got to see the KING of the trailer park Mike Muldrows Monster----- Show us a picture -- Mike now has all these girls without teeth chasing him . All hail the KING of the TRAILER PARK :D That thing is bad.

[KMA1/4master]

this is by far the best post ever !