Allison driving lessons.

[new2allison]

I just got my Allison SS2000 a few weeks ago. Although she is definitely the most exhilerating ride on water that I've tried, it isn't easy. After four drives and a total of about 3 hours in the water, I'm comfortable at about 65 and have seen a high of about 72 mph, but only for a few seconds.
I'm running a 28" ET prop and not planning to try any other props until I get more seat time and significantly more speed. Right now I'm just trying to adapt to the chine walking to get up to speed. Up till now I haven't had a chance to drive on really calm water. Is it easier to learn to deal with the chine walking on flat water, or a slight chop?

[Dukeofchippewa]

#1 Make sure your steering has 0 play. Watch your deck, when when boat starts to tip left give it a little "Jerk" to the right, don't overdo. Of course same for the right tip. other than that PRACTICE.

[new2allison]

I think that is what I'm doing now. It's a terrible thing to have to say: Sorry I can't go out today, I have to go to the cottage to practise driving my boat! This is almost as much fun as racing my GT1 Camaro, and a lot cheaper. :D

[Dukeofchippewa]

It takes awhile but it's worth it.

[gselite]

If you are new to Allison, also make sure you go to this site for Allison owners.


http://pub22.ezboard.com/ballisonownersmessageboard

[Hack02]

And once you start getting some pretty good speed slow down easy, don't just chop the throttle. Trim down a little and ease out of the throttle. Sometimes they'll want to hook and come around on you if you drop the bow too fast. Your doing the right thing. Go out by yourself and run a tank or two thru it and every now and then stop and take a break and think about how the boat is reacting to everything you do. Wear your kill switch and life-jacket. Pretty soon you'll run it and not even think about it.

[Jimbo]

You will hear most of the Allison owners say that it takes "seat time" to learn to drive an Allison even if you have driven Hydrostreams or other hot boats. Allisons are sensitive to weight and balance; try to consentrate the weight along the center line of the boat and towards the rear. Make sure you'er not draging too much of the gear case through the water -- place the center line of the prop shaft 1/2" below the pad . If you have the boat balanced and the boat leans to the left ( port ) bump the trim buttom up to leavel it on the pad when you are on plane.

Hope this helps.

Jim

[Ted Stryker]

Allison boats have an ill reputation for their handling , when actually they're very obediant... They will do exactly what your steering wheel tells it to do... Nudges,nudges,nudges is all it takes like a well trained dog on a leash... If you get to aggressive on the wheel or start trying to snatch on it you will not get anything near the desired result... Think of driving down the road with a cup of coffee in your hand, your not rigidly couter-active to every bobble or bump.. If you begin to snatch on the boat, due to it's sensitive behavior it will over correct creating a problem by going to the other side of the chinewalk... I learned my first chine walk lesson by trimming the motor down and going full trottle , applying trim for more speed as opposed to the opposite scenario... In my opinion a little chop is easier than smooth... What these guys have said about jumping out of the throttle is true, it's a bad idea , you can end up with sore ribs in a hurry... Over trimming these boats is pointless , they run really well (faster) laid high and flat... Something I never here commented on is Allison's ability to carve a corner ( on purpose) like no other v- boat that I know of , they'll truelly turn like a go-cart when you figure out how... That's almost as fun to me as the straight line performance.. Think of how spastic you were when you were trying to learn how to ride a bicycle, as oppossed to how smooth and non disruptive ( to the bike )you are now.. Kind of something to think about........ All this is just my opinion...:)

[David]

I am also learning my SS2000 and it is much easier to drive fast with a 4 blade

My comfort zone is mid 70's with my 4 blade, mid 60's with 3 blades. The boat was way to loose for me in the mid 50's when I first put it in the water with the 3 blades.

[j.iverson]

Talk to gts1 in Winnipeg, he has offered to give Allison driving lessons in Minnesota the third weekend of Sept in New Ulm.

[Fl Boy in ILL]

I owned David's SS first and I would suggest learning with a smaller wheel, put on a 24 if you have one and try that before going to the bigger prop. IMHO it cuts the "Learning Curve" down quite a bit. Good luck with your new ride and like mentioned before check out
www.allisonowners.com

Rick

[ROLF]

Like everyone says "seat time" ,practice my advice is dont immediately try to see how fast you can go,yea I know its tough! just see how well you can control the hull and go up in increments when you feel comfortable at that speed.I started out with a 3 cyl motor only touched 60 but like Kevin said I have never been in a hull that would carve turns like an Ally,switched to a V4 much faster,now looking for a V6.Like anything else you achieve control with after a while you dont notice any adjustments at all,you just drive it naturally and wonder why there was ever a problem.Very satisfying feeling.



Rolf

[red hott]

if you want you can call me i ve got a 2000SS i cant tyue out all of this stuff but these guys are telling you the right stuff and if your no wearing a helment do it because its gonna hook with you and because you havent experienced it yet you wont know its coming. life jacket hlement and kill swithes ALWAYS! AND HAVE SOME BODY ON THE WATER WATCHING INCASE SOME THING GOES WRONG so they can help or get help. it is fun and one hell of a rush once you figure it out. and like some one else said let off the gas easy dont just let of the gas all at once.
good luck
TRAY
817 229 7197

[gts1]

:cool: Play with your boat safely try different wheels and test em out . Go at a reasonably controlled speed over trim under trim see what it is doing and reflect on all this. When you comfortable bump up the speed a little and do it all over again it will come much easier and you won,t even have to think about it anymore .I had such a fear of these boats when i was in the buying stage and i think that's why i got one there is nothing else out there in my opinion that will give you such a rush and satisfaction when you can nail it and fly. Note that balancing your hull with the weight that is already in the boat will make you feel that they are not that bad to drive . Procomp from the board got out of his Euro and jumped in to my ally and knocked hard at 90 his first time in after Mr GPI assisted me on getting the hull balanced and true. Hope this helps and you can email me for info or any kind of assistance that i can give you . Allys are the **** to drive and you'll find out why!:eek: This season i put on a 2.5 260 offshore and wow what a rush they love the power too and can be driven safely at high speeds with the proper set ups . Seat time is your friend and along with giving the boat what it wants will be your key to allison flying .

good luck and be safe as this has been posted before but you need to respect these high perf boats and you'll love it . Iverson thanks for the PLUG Hope you'll be attending as well bud?:rolleyes:

Geoff

[froggy]

New2,

Try finding a large open area and drive your Allison in a large radius left hand turn (just keep it going SLIGHTLY left). Using this technique, you'll be able to keep it from wiggling for longer and longer and faster and faster. I've been giving lessons to a friend and he got my XB2003 up to 80 several times yesterday. This was his first trip with an Allison. Just don't over-react, and remember---once it starts to wobble (chine), it's too late to fix so back off the throttle real easy and start again. The key is to FEEL the wheel get heavy before the chine starts and correct before the boat upsets. Keep after it, you'll soon get it.

Good luck.

froggy

[David]

Is there a safe way to find out the optimum engine height?

So far I have kept the engine height conservative at speed. But from testing at 40 mph I can see how much engine height can effect speed.

Can I raise the engine 1/8" at at time until the speed starts to go down? Or will a bat turn result before speed goes down?

How much speed will I give up if I keep the engine 1/2" below the pad?

Most people say that smaller props are easier to drive but my best control is with my biggest prop which is my only 4 blade. I think this means Rick's 26 Trophy would have been a good choice:) A small 4 blade may be right for learning.

[race#115]

new2 allison was that you on scugog today??if so i was the yellow sleekcraft that flew by you near portperry .your boat is sweet ,i thought it was davids boat at first .

[new2allison]

Race 115
Yes, that was me. Thats a beautiful boat you have. Would you say that Scugog was rough yesterday? I'm driving without the pitot tube right now, I figure it might keep me from pushing too hard because I'm still going slow. I have no idea how fast I went yesterday, I hit about 5300 rpm, 2700 more to go. I find it easier to drive when I'm not thinking aboout the chine walking. but I find that I have to think about the chine walking when I up the revs beyond my comfort level. But when I'm thinking about it, its harder to control.

Thanks to all, your advice is appreciated.
In order to finish first, first you have to finish!

[race#115]

yes it was rough,it was worse up by goreskie's .you should have gone over by the island it was no as bad .shoot me a email next time you are heading out i had a allison before i would be happy to give you a hand and be a spotter boat for you.:D

[STV Dreamer]

New2Allison, that boat is beautiful...I remember when Ted had it.....he certainly knew how to handle it well....it flew.
Also, what have you got for power AND is this the boat that Stuart was doing work on?

Also from Scugog so you should try and get together with us for a rip.

Good luck.

[AnthonySS]

....to new2...
glad to see the scugog boys are looking out for ya. Get together with them...they are great guys

[new2allison]

STV,
no changes from Ted's setup,excepting that I don't know how to drive :mad: .
2.5 EFI SS
28" ET prop should be good for 100 MPH at about 8000 rpm.
Practise doesn't make perfect...
Perfect practise makes perfect!

[new2allison]

STV,
Who is Stuart?
I guess that means I don't know...
Is there soemthing I should know?

[David]

5300, 28", should be right around 70 mph:)

I still can't believe that Ted sold his boat. We talked a lot in the winter about his brother's boat and he never mentioned selling his.

Of course the boat looks a lot better in yellow than red:)

[STV Dreamer]

New2 Ally...NO there isn't anything you need to know. This just means there is another Yellow Ally besides yours floating around this area. Stuart is a Marine Mechanic that did some work on the "other" Ally....it has a promax on it.

That boat is perfect. The first perf. boat I had ever seen up close....and was actualy Ted who steered me toward this site and another when I saw it parked infront of my office.....I drooled all day. Pretty sure he had that boat over 100 MPH. You did well...I think it was very well maintained. FYI, I saw the red one a few weeks back and it had a new owner also.....the red is sharp looking too.

New 2 there are about 4-6 boats trying to get together sometime this weekend to run scugog, we'd like to meet you if your interested email me gottahaveanstv@hotmail.com
PLUS we'll fill you in on the Perf. Boat Club and some of the upcoming runs which are a blast.

I'll bring a bib and try not to mess up yor boat....promise. ;)

[RedAllison]

and besides the ever present "seat time seat time seat time", I cant emphasize how much easier the boat will handle if you take the time to properly balance the load and you might even stick 25-50#s in the left side of the boat (less if you are in a centersteer and are a light fellow, more if you have a sidesteer and are a 6'4" beer drinker like myself, lol) I assume you have made sure (or know someone who knows how) that your steering and setup is properly adjusted? NO amount of seat time, balance and tinkerin is gonna offset a poorly adjusted steering setup or the improperly offset rig.

Personally I would recommend you putting the big wheel up and finding something like a mid 20s Trophy or Tempest and running with your gearcase no higher than 1/2" below pad. ETs and similar props have enough hull lift and "running ability" too them that they can actually incite ill handling to someone that is just learning to get the feel.

Take your time and let the hull show you what it wants. And its true about NOT getting out of the gas too quick when fully trimmed and haulin it. But at speeds under 80 you honestly dont have too much to worry about with that occurance. Also I would recommend you flip your pitot UP and forget about your speed. You are only making it harder on yourself and you will have that mental block each time you reach XYZ speed. Forget speed and go for smoothness and steadiness. Work in 250-500 RPM increments. If 5k is all you are comfortable with, then master 5k and then go to 5500. But go too 5500 BEFORE bumping the trim and so forth.

RELAX and dont get in a hurry. Allison's arent that hard in all honesty, they are just unique unto themselves. Once you understand that and "get the feel" its like nothing else on earth (well at least with your clothes on!!!). Also, the Aboats are very forgiving as well. At speeds under 85 you can get away with alot. They usually signal you ahead of time when they are about to let go and they are very good about not doing anything stupid. Its only over that speed when you have to pay attention and when you can possibly get in trouble if you dont do the right things.

Welcome too "da family" www.Allisonowners.com
;) RA

[STV Dreamer]

That rig was professionally rigged and properly maintained to the highest of standards. I've seen it running over 100 and he made it look easy. Not sure what you got for props...if any.....but I think its been said a dozen times... all amounts to seat time.... Nobody wants to get hurt or crack up their minty ride. Besides that thing looks so cool at any speed.

So, we'll see you on Scugog this weekend....bring fuel/oil lets burn it up.

P.S aren't you glad you came to Scream and Fly...best learning curve.

[David]

I had a 95+ ride in the boat when it was Ted's. It was the first Allison I had ever seen.

It has the side slide steering. Can't hurt to be in the center. Early on mine was easier to drive with a passenger than solo center. Got friends?

[Jeff "Yammer"]

I would be glad to assist you in your experience as to the fact that I drove ted's ally many times as well as a V-king of my own to over 107 mph easily.
Let me know if I can help..................... you will be the only one in the end who will be able to teach your self.................. don't over drive it........... take your time !!!

Jeff

liquidfast@hotmail.com

[Steve Austin]

Don't worry you will get it, I promise, and when you do,hang-on because you will be having so much fun you will barely be able to contain yourself. It is fun ! Stick with the 28et and 1/2"-1/4" below the pad. From my experience the chopper II and et are some of the easyest to drive props. When you get past about 80mph the aerodynamics of the hull stabilizes the boat and it gets much easier to drive.

[hster]

This is what i love about forums like this, GTS1 has barely owned his Allison for a year and before that a can. edition Stream and
before that a j-craft w/ a 150 Promax that bounced around the lake at barely 50 and now he's giving driving lessons and setups
in a Grandsport with a 2.5. Maybe he should practice some more
before he offers lessons , as this is not the easiest boat to drive
with a 2.5 in boatwakes , rough water etc.

[new2allison]

Latest update...
5700 rpm with 3 passengers. At the rate I'm going I'll go faster next weekend than I have in my Charger. Thanks all for the tips, and I like some sarcasm and fish stories too! I was just told about a Charger (not even a DL) with a 150 that runs 76 mph, and does it all day long in 2 foot chop. I must be really incompetent. confused:
To think all I need to do is buy the old version of my 15 year old boat, take off a 100 horsepower and I'll be good for most poker runs... wow am I ever a dunce. :D

[gts1]

hster...Your comments are completely out of line as there is nothing wrong with the piece of advice I gave or was given to me. No one should jump into any high performance boat for the first time and try to drive 100+ mph, that is simple common sense. Further more, I don't believe in my previous post that I accredited myself as an Allison expert, I was just passing along some information that I found helpful when I first started learning how to drive my Allison. I'm guessing you must know me since you know what previous boats I've owned. So why not get together at Lee River September long weekend and you can take her for a spin! I know she's not a Baja, Hydro Stream or a Euro...but she's the fastest Allison to have run on Lee River...hmmm that kinda rings a Bell.:eek:

[ProComp]

Takes a big man to personally attack someone on a website and hide behind a screen name. (which is being researched by the way)

Curious to see another V-bottom up here out run GTS1 in his Allison. Maybe you have one? Didn't think so.

Brad Waylett

[AnthonySS]

NEW2...

I love those "All Day Long" stories....now was that on Radar or GPS or Faria:D

[Glenn]

new2allisons

Congrats on buying a beatiful boat! Ted really took awesome care of that rig. He would literaly roll out the black carpet when you stepped into it:D My first and only 100+ ride was in your rig. It was exhilarating experience I won't forget. Sitting in the back holding the GPS and watching it creep past 100 MPH. I also had a chance to drive it a couple of years ago. I think Ted was running a 32 cleaver that day and I was able to turn somewhere between 5-6000 RPM before backing off. Just when you think you can drive a pad V the Allison humbles you.

Here's a pic I took of it at Sean's Boyz weekend back in 2000.

Glenn

[Glenn]

another

[AnthonySS]

I think what HST’r is trying to say is that the SS does require a ton of hands-on (experience) to drive this particular hull.

Ted was very generous with allowing folks to take the wheel of his SS and it can humble, as Glenn said, the most experienced V drivers. Al though I only drove the boat for about 5 minutes…I was quick to hand it back over to the owner as I simply preferred the experience of STV handling.

Same thing when having had 8 years of driving a very wild v bottom, the newest owner (Glenn) handed the wheel back over to me on the Vision and again after a few short minutes…I told him, he is the expert now.

Every boat has a learning curve and even incremental changes in setup and weight distribution in a V, like the SS, can throw a new curve into the learning curve. The only boats that I have driven that are close to being similar, from one model to the next, is the STV….just cause they are more forgiving. The SS tho….whole new ball game.

The learning curve is gradual and even now when I take others boats out for a ride…I tell them I need about a ½ an hour to get acquainted with the hull and power. At that I take incremental steps at various speeds just to “FEEL” what the boat is doing and try to tap into its predictability to feel exactly what it doing at incremental speed changes before trying WOT. A ½ hour is a quick lesson and that’s just a beginning cause there will no substitute for years of experience with a particular hull.

Even STV owners, I say, need about 3 full seasons of driving to become an expert on the hul, l that is constant. Constant means your not making numerous changes from year to year…like this prop, that prop, this accessory and that accessory, last year I weighed 180, this year 300 etc Again there is just so much learn based on even small changes. Take your time

[ProComp]

Congrats on your new ride. Hope this never happens to ya! LOL
(I love finding spots to share this pic. Sorry TED! :D :D :D )


ProComp

[lakeracer007]

new2allison,

Congrats on the Ally, the thing i love about them is, is that every
time you get in and drop the hammer it will do something a little
different. driving an allison is never boring. maybe this will help.
The pad on an ally is narrow, so try to imagine yourself balancing
the boat on a 20 foot long 2x6, if you pull the wheel to much right
or left it falls off, like someone said earlier, watch the nose and use small smooth corrections in the wheel

[Scream And Fly]

Welcome to the forums, hster.

gts1 was attempting to offer help to another member, which you'll find is the norm here.

Nobody has a problem with that, however, your introductory attitude has been identified as a problem. You'll find that we have a low tolerance for "trolling" or other types of online flaming.

Try to be more constructive and friendly.

- Greg

[new2allison]

Thanks guys! I'm not new to speed, but I've usually been able to stay dry. I understand about seat time (see sad picture of me in my Camaro in the other section).

Procomp, nice picture! Yes this has happened to me already. The "Kernel" wouldn't restart and we needed to get a tow before we ran aground (I love hitching a ride, car or boat!). She is attending a sleepover with a therapist, hopefully Ted will be able to talk some sense into her without taking too many cents out of me. If she runs I hope to be at the Rice Lake event in a few weeks. And I promise NOT to be the fastest one there! My goal is to be not the "lastest".

[LAZZER65]

I have a question though......is what you are actually experiencing chine walk or is the boat tettering left and right?

Dale

[new2allison]

Is there a difference?
Maybe I'll get up early this weekend, and take it out while the water is smooth. Hopefully I remember to put the pitot down. Then I'll just drive it like my Honda: step on the gas and close my eyes until the world stops spinning.
;)

[LAZZER65]

don't laugh, but that's what I did.

Anyway, when the boat is running the chine walking you feel is it like a circular motion type of thing or is it just a lean to the right, or a lean to the left?


Dale

[j.iverson]

Haven't seen my boat buddies to the north this wound up since I drank the last Blue Light out of their cooler.:D All joking aside, Boz,Procomp, and gts1 are as true as it gets for helpful boating buddies. They are an example of why forums like this are successful.

[Boz]

Read GTS1's post and think about. He explained what he has discovered while under the watchful eye of one of the fastest ally pilots around. Can you claim that? You sit there and throw out stuff like that? Tough guy.
Re-read his post and think about it. BTW, you can only hide for so long.............

[new2allison]

guys,
You're scaring this newby. If you want to start flaming people, please pick another thread.

[Boz]

It was YOU who took that last bevy????? Did you have any idea that that was similar to stealing garbage from a hungry bear??? HA ha!!!

Thanks for the kind words, my friend. This board has really brought a ton of people together from both sides of the border.

Hows' your new rig?? Scared yourself yet.

[ProComp]

That almost brought a tear to my eye! LOL
How many Lab Lites is that going to cost us! :D

new2Allison - sorry for messing with your thread. Were done
(I hope).

I think the Allison SS is one cool boat. Good luck with the learning curve and be safe. Nothing like the rush of running a boat on the pad. Thats for sure!

ProComp

[Boz]

Then take heed. Sorry about this but what mystery guy said was complete crap and incorrect. Had one of your buddies been trashed like that, I'd hope you'd take issue.

Good luck with your boat and becareful. Everything GTS1 said was true, BTW. Read it; don't read INTO it.

[j.iverson]

Actually, I never thought about it, but this is where we all met. Pretty cool that you can make lasting friendships in cyperspace.
Boz--yes, I have filled my pants in the new rig a couple times now. J Ferrel was there to witness one of my boo boo's.:eek:

Procomp--it'll cost you as many Lab lights as you can carry, I'm feeling thirsty! Hope you guys make it to Len or Goat fest, would be fun to hook up again.
New2ally, You got one sweet looking boat, have fun with it.

[jbf2002]

to the great white north............,



you all up yonder there are all true gentelmen.




seriously,

jf

[jmc]

Mr. 2 post newb.....All good people trying to help a fellow S&F'r here. I have been running Ally hulls for almost 13 yrs and your comment is out of line. Just because you cant get the hang of a real pad hull in less than 12 months doesnt mean no one else can. Come on now....everyone is waiting for your reply.


I might add this "ghost" hster sounds like the guy that was barking about that little Hydrostream that delaminated and came apart on that guy a while back.

[skywagon]

I second that. This guy is implying that a GS, which is side steer, is easier to drive than a SS. Just shows his high level of experience and expertise. :rolleyes: I've said it before and I'll say it again, If you can drive a GS to 100 MPH consistently then just about any production lake boat will be an easy transition, including the SS. I've driven SS's(center steer) and they handle wonderfully for a high performance Pad V. Very predictible and an excellent choice. Anyone with attention to detail and some determination can learn to drive this boat.

[Superdave]

this thread for Allison7710. There's a video on this site somewhere of his Allison with a JaySmith 300 drag. Watch it.
Dave

[new2allison]

Latest update:
1)She hates a stout wind coming from one side, (or I screwed something up).
2)She runs really nicely at 65 in what I consider rough water.
3)She was faster on rough water than "the other guys" tunnel. Although I don't now what kind of boat it was, or how hard he was trying ;) Pigeon lake was a blast on Saturday and Sunday.
4)She allowed me to coax her up to 80, just once, and not for long. Only 2 mph more before I can officially agree that she is faster than my Charger.
5)Sticking throttles and trim buttons make for an exciting ride, but not in a good way!
6) :mad: I hate it when she won't restart, especially when you finally notice that the kill switch has been turned off!
7)I hate it when she won't restart when the kill switch is "on" even more.

[AnthonySS]

Sounding somewhat better;)

[CDave]

Don't give up it just takes time. Once you have it it's like riding a bike.

[new2allison]

127 feet per second!
I finally have proof that My Allison is faster than my Charger
(with me driving), What a ride, and when do we get calm water in Ontario?
It's too bad the brakes pull to the right when stopping.
I think PWCs should require a license, and the minimum age should be about 50!

[Steve Austin]

should be flying priddy good @ 86.6:)

[AnthonySS]

That's the fun thing about our sport is that...you actually need to think in feet per second...not necessarily for top speed but how many feet do a I need to slow down with NO brakes;)

[skydog]

Sounds good guys! Going for 105+ in my G.S. this weekend! If the weather is good. Going to have my brother shoot it with his new Sony handy cam, then i will have to learn how to get it on the web site.

Skydog

[YELLOWSS]

i would like to thank all the guys for the input on driving the 2000 ss. i just got my motor on mine and have about 6 hrs breakin time. i had a norris craft bass boat with a modified 200 that ran 83 mph. it is a pad boat as well, but not as light, about 1000 lbs. bolted a modified b/p on it and couldn't control boat over 6200 rpms and very little trim. boat was only 17'. the boat had what i called a controled chine walk in the low 80's. i thought "how could the ally be any harder to handle". my first and second trip out i thought this boat handles easily @ 3500 to 4000 rpm's. the third time out went to 4500 trimed it out a little and fell off the pad. i thought man i havent fell off a pad in 10 years. next weekend will be my fourth trip out and i have a lot respect for it now. the boat is what i would call temperamental, but fast!!! mine is the yellow as well and the alien cover. i get so many compliments. you can't go anywhere without somebody saying that thing looks fast. i had one woman ask me is that boat that fast, or are looks deceiving. i told her it is sopposed to be that fast. the more i thought about it, i said she just named my boat.
" looks ain't deceiving"
what do you guys think of the name? yes or no
i just need more seat time i will get the hang of it
thanks,
roy

[Rocket]

I like this Thread! :eek:

[bounce]

howdy fellas,

GeoL Jr. here,

after searching awhile I found some allison "beginner" threads in the forums...thanks for all your input.....

I'll keep reading/ driving on how to handle this Allison xb-'03....(and listening to Dad):)

here's the boat:
http://allisonowners.com/GeorgeL.html

regards, George junior

[skydog]

You will love it!! It is just like riding a bike! The frist few times you get it, you got her down.

Skydog

[150aintenuff]

welcome aboard bounce...

[john w]

just as Jackie Stewart would say !!!!!!!!!!!! and hang on. i picked it up the very first time i drove mine. Very Kool !!!! rick is right about a smaller wheel.it helps alot. good luck