Full Throttle Powerboats vs. STV

[Spd-Kilz]

Hello guys. I was looking at these two boats and noticing the differences. Is the front end the same on these 2 boats or am I seeing it wrong. Someone please fill me in on all the details. Which is better in terms of speed, wind, handling, comfort etc. Thanks guys

[350cavi]

okay, the T-3 hull, the red one, it has a more incline to the windsheild which is major bonus for not getting all that wind in your face at high speeds, but the T-4 hull, the yellow/while one, has almost the same as the stv, but the hull, is built off of their drag boat design. And the Full Throttle boats look better than theose stv's.

http://www.fullthrottlepowerboats.com/

[rottenbrock]

From the looks of their website they havent had a win in 2 years.

[350cavi]

thats because I don't think it has been updated lately

[rottenbrock]

2 years without an update? somebody needs to get on the ball over there:p

[350cavi]

thats because I don't think it has been updated lately

[Spd-Kilz]

Originally posted by 350cavi
thats because I don't think it has been updated lately

Or maybe STV is better.:D

[us1ss]

2003- APBA OPC Supersport- 11 wins, National Championship
2003- APBA Full Throttle Powerboats- Manufacturers Champion
2003 - ODBA Unlimited Drag- 1 win
2004- APBA OPC Supersport- 4 wins, Regional Championship, Divisional Championship
2004 ODBA- Unlimited 2 wins

Jack doesn't have time for the computer he is building boats 7 days a week. :D

[350cavi]

man if STV could make a hull that weighs 450lbs, for a regular consumer boat, then maybe stv would have a chance. but i'm still waiting on the e-mail form them, and I wouldn't really worry about those boats not being able to go fast, as that company started off with a 35 foot offshore boat in 1990, that went 112mph, and the full throttle boats are built the exact same as STV, and come with a little more features to them, but they still cost way less than stv's. New Euroski STV $18-20 grand, a Full Throttle boat that weighs approx 500lbs, and is still cheaper no matter what you add. i think that the Full Throttle is the way to go, and they look nicer, more sleek looking

[yellowallison]

won unlimited ODBA last 2-3 races..

won 2-3 clases at Cresent City races this weekend amd last races...

Won the last 3-4 SuperSport races inthe few months..

I say they winning pretty good...


STV and Quatershots are both excellent boats..

The red FT boat is the pic above is 3 seater and the white blue one is a 4 seater.... all FT boats come with the same bottom just perfected after it leaves the mold for either drag or roundy round racing..

[sho305]

Does FT have the ski bottom too? Didn't someone say it carries weight a little better and may have a mph or two on top/ Others say there is little diff. I would take either of course:cool:

[ProComp]

Curious how you became an expert on these 2 boats?

Their built the exact same way.............
Triad can't build a 450 lb boat? .............
FT has more features.................blah blah blah
Guess Wally at Triad just want to get rich quicker than John. LOL

A 450 lbs consumer boat? I don't care who builds it, a boat that light wouldn't take long to break as a consumer/lake boat. Don't care who builds it.

CheckmatesForvever, do a search. You can find some more informative feedback than your getting on this one.

Good luck with your purchase.

ProComp

[350cavi]

I never said that Triad counldn't make a boat that light, it's just that they probly don't have it in their options, but they are made the same wasy, with e-galss and AME 4000, and balsa core in the hi-strees area's, and the option of having foam core for a transom

[Spd-Kilz]

Thanks for all the replies. But my other question, those 2 boats in my original post, are those 2 decks (front half of them of course) the same? What are the bottoms of each hull like. I was a comparision of the two boats I posted. I will do a search. THank you again

[rmh77]

When im ready for a new boat and that might be soon FULLTHROTTLE will get my money. STV's are awesome too but everybody has one.

[350cavi]

yeah, there are too many stv's out there no, so if you got an stv no one will be like all interested in it and ****, cuz it's just another stv

[Spd-Kilz]

I have narrowed my choices down to a Full THrottle Powerboat T4 or a STV Euro Ski. On order is a 2004 Mercury Racing 2.5 EFI Sport motor. Livorsi gauges including a 160 MPH GPS speedo have also been ordered. Rapidjack will control the height of this motor while the aid of Teleflex hydraulic steering. All I need now is a hull to power this all. Which do you think would the best overal. All input is extremly appreciated I want to order a hull within the next month. Thank you
Chris Ellard

[Skittles]

I can without a doubt vouch for Jack and the rest at Full Throttle. The quality and service you get is among the best out there. At the same time that STV euro is one hell of a nice ride, and as Helmut is proving......it is as fast as it is nice. IMO you can't go wrong with either boat. Talk to Wally and Jack, and go for the one you like, I think you'll be happy with either one of them.




350Cavi...............what kind of boat do you have again??? :rolleyes:

[Spd-Kilz]

Originally posted by Qshot-260
I can without a doubt vouch for Jack and the rest at Full Throttle. The quality and service you get is among the best out there. At the same time that STV euro is one hell of a nice ride, and as Helmut is proving......it is as fast as it is nice. IMO you can't go wrong with either boat. Talk to Wally and Jack, and go for the one you like, I think you'll be happy with either one of them.




350Cavi...............what kind of boat do you have again??? :rolleyes:

Thank you Q-Shot, I will give both Wally and Jack a call later this week. I'll fill you guys in on my decision. Motor should be here soon I hope:D

[ProComp]

Surely your joking in your last comment as you can't be that closed minded?

Well, I guess I see you point, who would be interested in taking a close look at a 2004 140 mph Triad River Rocket. Probably no one here. Oh, and by the way, the Euro can come with the same bottom as this one if ordered that way.

CheckmatesForever - good luck with your decision I am sure either boat will make you happy. I have never seen a FT boat in person but they seem to get good feedback here. If you want to learn about STV's, check out www.stvowners.com. Of coarse, you'll get biased opinions over there for sure.

I'm out of here. Good luck with this educational feeback your getting.

ProComp

[jjones2]

Don't know where a lot of the posted info is coming from but a check of the mfgs web sites will give you the stats on both boats..like Procomp says..Wally can build a light boat but his consumer models are not light..as I recall around 700 / 750 lbs...The T-3 and T-4 are shown to weigh 650 / 700 lbs..I would assume this are their consumer models..The race bote is built 'to order'..I think both botes are very nice with good attention to detail and construction...and when the smoke clears I think you will spend pretty much the same money on both...Just my .02

[350cavi]

well, I mean if you have the $$$ to get something good off the market, by all means spend it on something that is not as popular yet, as you will turn heads, but if you don't wanna turns heads witha new rig, by all means get something that EVERYONE has

[350cavi]

well, actually for the lighter weight consumer models, they have more extra options, and 2 of the the options are to have a 550-600lbs, and the second option for less weight is 450-500lbs, and the lightest option costs about 1 grand more, and other option is half that price

[rmh77]

Yea cause theres just a bunch of stvs out there on the break of 140mph:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[350cavi]

not every stv runs 140, but there are too many out there now, so then whe ppl see it, it just becomes "another" boat to lotta folks

[Spd-Kilz]

I didn't know a 19 foot 4 seater comfort boat that does 130 MPH was common these days?

[rmh77]

:eek: :eek:

[rottenbrock]

Originally posted by 350cavi
not every stv runs 140, but there are too many out there now, so then whe ppl see it, it just becomes "another" boat to lotta folks

lmao:p

Dont know of anybody that thinks an S.T.V is just another boat.

[Georgia Boy]

The fastest boat on our river is and STV under 450 I have been told. Did you ever think that the reason you see so many STV's is because they have proven their quality as well as speed. Me personally I would rather know I had a boat that would perform, and last then take a chance on one that might not just to be different, but that is me, besides I would hate to spend alot of money on a boat to be different and then get out run by "just another old boat". But I have never seen the fullthrottle boats run, but from what i have seen I doubt you could get any better than an STV.

Also as mentioned earlier I have a hard time believing that a 450-500 pound boat used as a lake boat would hold up well. ~GB

[BLUElixir]

I think the T4 is a sweet looking boat.

I bought a Euro because there are more of them aroudn and they have proven performance and safety. I'm not in any way saying that the T4 is not fast or safe. I'm sure that they are probably capable of similar performance and safety. There are just less of them so we don't have much feedback on them.

This is the same T4. Notice how the sponsons come much farther forward than the nose. There is also a small flat ledge that the cleats are moutned on.

[Firestarter]

I am biased toward the STV, but in all fairness I have no experiance with the Full Throttle, I can only go on the rave reviews I have heard and read about them.
That being said, Wally will build anything you want they are custom boats. Just because it isn't listed in the option sheet doesn't mean it can't be had.
As far as performance, any River Rocket set up well with a drag will run 130 mph, and any Euro with a 280 set up well will run 115 mph, I do not think there is a faster boat out there.

As for weight, I am not so sure why you want something that is super light. They will be quicker, but in my experiance the light boats are slower than the mid weight boats. I nice weight is the 650 range.

Good luck , I am sure you will not go wrong with either brand.

RT

[Spd-Kilz]

Thank you Firewalker. We do not wish for a superlight layup as this will not be raced, just simply recreation pleasure.

[WaterBoy]

SHHHH, don't tell everyone about the secret weapon. :D

Checkmates Forever, I would look at what you may want to do with the boat your gonna purchase, You wanna drag it, Look at that selection, You want comfort, look at the options and how much room is in either boat. Both boats will run fast if set up properly.

Stv's have been around for a while and proved what kind of boat they are. Also, probably the resell of an STV would be better or sell faster.

Waterboy

[BLUElixir]

Work distracted me... :rolleyes:

Here is a Euro nose. You can see that the nose comes almost all the way to the end of the sponsons. The side of a Euro also doesn't have a ledge.

[TUG]

Who made this rule about consumer boats weighing under 500lbs wont last anyway? Roark built many Pro-Comps that were in the lower 400's range that are still around today that were built in the 80's! The main problem ive seen with these older lighter boats is wood rot, not delamination or stress cracks!! If they could build them then , then they could damn sure build them now! Ive got an 88 pro-comp that ive totaly redone and the only reason i had to even touch it was rotton wood because some dumbass drilled holes thrue the stringers and didnt seal them up, along with that misserable closed cell foam holding water for years... there's not a stress crack one in it anywhere and i'm guessing it will weigh about 500 to 550!! there's another guy at the river thats been running one 88 model in the 400#'s and the thing looks great!! This boats even changed hands more times than i can count and no stress cracks anywhere in it. The transoms been replaced with foam and stringers etc etc but it was from rot. The uper deck is so thin you can push on it and hear the thing crackle but its still doing fine!! ALSO, why is somone still using balsa wood in these boats in the so called hi-stress areas?? Balsa should now more than ever be a thing of the past as the hull on my 88 model Ski-Comp is cored with some type of red "hard" foam under the stringers and around the pad area and this stuff is MUCH better than balsa as its lived 16 years of abuse and doesnt soak up water even if its exposed ... Balsa is junk!!...... My opinion is if a boat is built right at 400+ numbers it will last unless uvcourse your just an idiot and go bareling across 3ft rollers constantly....I just dont understand where people get the idea that boats in the 400lb range wont hold up to consumer use....Thats Wrong!! If it was true then i guess the o'l saying "they dont makum like they used to" might come in to play he're but i know better than that! Anything can be destroyed in the hands of an idiot!!:rolleyes:

[Hot Shot Merc]

Consider this anyway.My Lightning is a copy of an STV river rocket and it weighs 750 lbs.I know this cause I took it to the scales myself the day it popped out of the molds.It is built with all composite material and foam cored.No wood anywere.It is as solid as a boat can ever be.I take it through the worst conditions you could ever put one through around Sarasota bay and yep, Lake Tarpon.The LTB's can vouch for the beeting this boat has taken and you WILL NOT find a single stress crack anywere on my boat.It also has won many drag races against the real thing (STV).This thread was geared between FT and STV but I just had to make a point.In fact my opinion on this thread is that Jack Barsh at Full Throttle boats builds by far a better boat than Triad.Ive seen them all and the Q- Shot is much better built and stronger weight to weight.I know some of you STV owners wont like this but thats ok.I dont care!

[rmh77]

I can walk my fat 300 lbs ass just about anywhere on the skittles quatershot which is a light lay up drag boat. I havent tried a light layup STV yet.

[Hot Shot Merc]

I have seen an STV that weighd 1640 lbs with the driver and gas that when I pushed on the deck with my hand I thought it was going through.This boat was faster than mine when we raced but had a hell of a lot more motor too.The point is that even the heavy lay up that I saw was as thin as a sheet of paper on the deck.?????????? I tryed but cant figure out why it was built so whimpy yet weighd so much.I wont say who this person is cause it doesnt matter.He's a nice guy and I dont want to piss him of by this.The fact remains the same though.

[Scott Tharpe]

There is a ODBA race this weekend and there is a real STV in lake

racer that would love to run you.

[mr fun]

i saw it being built, and i've never herd anything but good comments from people who actually have something to do with Jacks boats. the guy puts alot of heart into his work and it's the way it should be. if you are serious, it could be a investment in the sport you will get a personal part in and not just buying something from a well reputed name. fun out :cool:

[rmh77]

T MINUS...10...9...8..............Till a heated hull debate!:D

[quartershot]

I have to say i think i lean toward quartershots just do to the fact that i like the looks of Jacks boats better they bother damn good boats.

[TUG]

I dont know about your buddy's but the 88 Pro-Comp i speak of is a 400lber no doupt!! We all weighed our boats on a calibrated hand scale "just like the ones used at the races" and the boat fully rigged, factory drag motor no driver came in at 1080#'s if i remember rightly!! That is a light boat and its 16 years old !! My point in this , is a light boat can survive if you simply use common sence!! I will admit its been ran at the river mostly but the river i speak of gets VERY crowded and they do take a beating but probably nothing like a chopped up bay would dish out.....My mirage came in at 1435 ...no gas no lifejackets no nothing and it is in great condition aswell but so is this 400# Pro Comp and its older !!! I think John LPB probably builds a nice boat!! The only thing with the new STV's is the price!! I can remember not SO long ago when you could get STV's for amost half of what they cost now... what gives?? Inflation?:D If i was thinking on a new hull and i have been kicking it around a bit i would definantly be looking at the LPB river rockets or the Q-shots as they are more realisticly priced as far as i'm concerned! Wally's boats are awesome but so is the PRICE:eek: STV...MERCURY these 2 are starting to have alot in common...they do kinda rime donchu think;)

[Casey]

i've had both and can say from experience that you can't go wrong with either one. wally and jack are a couple of the nicest guys in the sport and will build you pretty much anything you want.


i'm good friends with wally, but the reason i went with a quartershot this time is because there's not many of them out there and i wanted something different

[sho305]

Here is a post with some quartershots I saved since I had not seen much about them here. Some nice looking rides and some info.

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59616&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Hard choice to make :)

[PaulR]

I ordered my QuarterShot on March 1st of 2000 and it got to the dealer on May 30th of that year. ???? The price was right, but not the wait. The pad on the boat was a square block. I think it was for drag racing more than anything. I got it to run about 115 with a drag motor on pump gas, but I didn't like the feel of it at that speed. I see Jack has changed the bottom of his boats alot in the last four years and for the better I'm sure. I replaced this boat with a River Rocket and the same motor and could run 115 with two people aboard every time I took it out....much easier to drive on top end and hold it there for a mile or so!

I wasn't going to get in on this thread, but the STV bashing has kind of pissed me off. As far as I'm concerned QuarterShots, Lightning, and even the Mirage are all spin offs of the original............STV!!

[Casey]

just like ford, chevy and dodge they all got to start somewhere

and anytime you order a new boat the waits around 3-4 months. i ordered my triad in june 2000 and picked it up in october. i ordered my quartshot in december 2003 and picked it up in february.

[rmh77]

Q-SHOT sounds like you got one of the ones built out of the old LPB molds. A friend of ours has a boat with the same bottom around that year and that thing only saw a 104 with a 280 and its a hoppin piece of shizit. The new ones how ever are bad ass!

[Ray Leach]

I believe he was the original owner of the Skittles boat, which he sold to Jim Summers who traded it to Jack on the new T-3(red with flames)then was sold to your buddy. He has a stock 260 on it now right? What kind of top end is he getting out of it with the 260? Just curious. Ray

[CDave]

Casey you know your Quatershot is really a Triad. :D

[Firestarter]

Tug, while I have seen a few 16 year old 450 lbs STV, I can say for certain that they will not live on the lake. At least where I live, hell the 700 lb boats break down over time in our water conditions. That core you are talking about is Kledgecel, pretty good stuff, but balsa it still better, it is 3X stiffer at the same weight. Balsa is only good though when installed correctly.
As for price inflation, it is the cost of materials. The wonderful people at the EPA can be thanked for that. And add that Triad uses stiched materials as opposed to woven roving like roark did. And finally the most important part, STV was bought legally and as such there is overhead to pay on that cost.....it is not the cheep way of doing business, it is the proper way.


As for the STV bashing, I have been trying of late to post less and stay out of this stuff, but now I really don't care if I cause sh!t. I was in Fla a few weeks ago, and looked at an LPB.... they are not a well built boat, they have a lot of corners cut, the molds arn't straight, the finish poor, bottom line you get what you pay for.
As for the quartershot, all I know about them is a lot of people swear buy them........but they sure don't have the top end legs of an STV....... no Mirage deriviative ever will....... the laws of physics apply.

Now start with the hate mail!.

RT

[rmh77]

Yea i think you right ray i just looked at the screen name again. i was thinking of another one. but anyway the skittles 1/4shot has been 111mph on the gps @ lake tarpon. we think maybe more but the gps quit on us and cant confirm.:D But i dont think id wanna be in that boat going any faster its too light.

[Ray Leach]

Its not to light go faster. Just proper set-up. I thought I heard it was running pretty good with a 260. That speed sounds about right. Makes you wonder how the original owner could only get 115 with a drag motor. Ray

[rmh77]

Hell that same boat went 100mph with a 2.5 175!

[ProComp]

Q-Shots post. In his opinion, the boat did not feel safe at 115.

Maybe it had more, probably did. Whats your safety worth? Me, I'd spend a couple extra grand for better handling at 110+ on water.

Hmmm, Corvette or Cavalier at 115. You decide.

A 175 going 100mph? Ya got a Faria Speedo in that bad boy.

Always entertaining these posts.

ProComp

[TUG]

First off, aint no STV bashing going on he're!! Ive seen Wally's boat and they are awesome but like i said....so is the PRICE!! That overhead should have been paid off a long time ago at 20,000 a boat !! Not much material in any 18ft raceboat, thats a fact!! As for the 400# boats not lasting, i think your wrong but hey thats just my opinion!! Its also my opinion that anybody who would think Balsa wood is better than the red foam thats been in my boat for 16 years and counting dont know very much and is being biased !! The foam i speak of is very "hard" Balsa is soft water absorbing junk and the minute its exposed it will soak up water like a sponge!! Infact i would be willing to bet if my boat was cored with Balsa i would have been recoring it also but that wasnt the case sence it is Kledgecel !! The stiched glass is more costly but not THAT much more:rolleyes: I'm not bashing STV at all, all i'm saying is it would be real nice if he would get the price back down where the average working man can afford to buy one as LPB and Jack are misteriously able to do using the same materials with no Balsa;) As for LPB not being a good boat, i'll just keep my eye on Phil Conant to make an opinion on that!!! As for LPB, Q-shots and Mirages being a spinoff from a STV (who said that anyway)? The origianl Q-shots were made from the old Lee tunnel molds and YES they have a midrange hop as a friend of mine still has one ( a original Lee) and he can tellyu about it!! the newer ones are a totaly redefined boat, nothing Lee about them and Mirage was NEVER a spinoff of a STV and the LPB mirage was infact a Lee Tunnel not a Mirage!! Mirage was a spinoff of the Lee if i'm not mistaken !! The Lee's have a bad midrange hop, has nothing to do with the molds LPB had or the ones Jack used it was in the design!! RT if the newer boats wont hold up at 400+#'s then there's somthing wrong;) here's one 16 years old !!

[Firestarter]

Tug, I never said they wouldn't last..... just not lake running....... with the weight of passengers. The new boats are better than the old, technology has a way of being that way.

I agree that if balsa gets wet, you have a problem. BUT, installed correctly, using END GRAIN balsa you will never have a problem. The best boats in the world use it....... there is a reason they don't use foam, and it is strength. Take Progression for instance, they use 100% balsa boats including the transom and have NEVER had a warrany claim in the same 16 year..... they are built RIGHT. I have a 1981 Challenger 21, 100% balsa, including the transom, and it is SOLID, not an ounce of rot.

Frankly Mirages scare the hell out of me ( that includes all derivatives, Lee being the desiger of the first )...... they have killed more people than all the others combined.

RT

[ProComp]

She's a beauty. Glad its holding up for you. I have personally seen other ProComps that have not held up as well and they were not even light ones.

That deck design does flex in certain areas in rough water.
I know my 92 did.

ProComp

[TUG]

Its not mine, thats the 1080# fully rigged boat i was speaking of earlier!! Mine is the same year just a Ski-Comp converted into a Single seat Pro-Comp and i expect it to be more like 550 lbs as my upper deck is heavier!! I'm sure the owner will appriciate the compliment thoe Thanks;)

[BLUElixir]

I rode in "skittles" when Jim first got it. I liked the boat but when Jim first set it up, it was a handful to drive. I never drove it but rode in it for a while and at that time, it was a little bit scary. I heard that after Jim had already ordered a new Quartershot, he got "skittles" all dialed in and it ran great. Seems to me that the secret was using Yamaha drag style props but I'm not sure. It seems that the new owner has it running well also.

Jim went on to buy this new Quartershot T3 and was very happy with it.

[AnthonySS]

If anyone has a factory 400# STV...they should notify Mr. Summerford...casue he would like to know about it...cause he never built it...

His claim is they never built any 400#'s...more like 500 to 550...

Anyone who has one of the lightweights should be proud that it is still around...casue there are not many known

[rmh77]

Thats right PROCOMP 2.5 175 well it was something like 99.8 but that s close enough to 100 on a garmin etrex GPS! Whats wrong PROCOMP you have trouble believing that somthiing besides an "STV" might run that good !

[TUG]

I saw the damn thing weigh in and several others did also!! If you would have taken the time to READ you would have saw that It DOES however have a foam transom and foam stringer now but that scale was dead on and i along with SEVERAL others witnessed it! The boat weighs 1080lbs fully rigged meaning that hull is in the 400#'s range not 500 so go tell Roark theres one out there! Hurry Hurry now:rolleyes:

[TUG]

whats the diffrence between 500 and 480 anyway?? 6 months??:D

[Firestarter]

Tug, there is 43 lbs of wood in an STV Pro Comp ( call Roark ). He has told me that the LIGHTEST of the Light were close to 500 lbs.

1080- 350 ( motor ) = 730 - 500 ( realistic hull weight ) = 230 lbs for rigging and fuel

RT

[WaterBoy]

I can say this, There is a procomp STV here that is under 500lbs. I've heard around the 470 mark, it's carbon fiber and it is indeed light and fast.

Waterboy

[Firestarter]

Waterboy, that is about as light as they come. If it is a real Carbon boat it is REAL rare.... like one of 7 or 8

[WaterBoy]

The guy that owns it is my bestfriends dad. See if I can post a pic of it.

Waterboy

[AnthonySS]

Yep no doubt...it weighed 1080 lbs...but again the key word is Factory...this boat does not sound factory (OEM)

[TUG]

So whats yur freakin point here anyway?? And besides the 350# you giving for the motor is more the weight for a stock 2.4 fishing motor, not a drag engine with a hevier clamp and midsection...sportmaster, i say closer to 400 for the motor!! You can beat this **** with a stick all day long boyz! The fact is they will last if you use common sence as the pic i posted proves you boyz wrong! The original owner of the boats brother has one almost identicle that weighs even less than that one in the pic, i know this cuz ive seen the ****! I havent seen this one weigh but ive spoken to the guy about it and he seems like a no bull**** kinda guy!! 450..500...550 Wheres the hell is the diffrence?? 1080lbs, slice it dice it do whatever you want but nomatter what you say ITS STILL ALIVE 16 years after the fact!! Now get on the phone and go cry to Roark or somthing You Wrong, I'm right!!;)

[AnthonySS]

WATERBOY...man that PC is VERY nice ride....Let me know when its for sale (if ever).

Like RT said the CF boats are very rare too and the production numbers are very low. I would suspect that baot to be in the 500+# range.

Another interesting fact on the STV Racing STV's is that some of them had a "Brick" bulit into the nose. It resembled a brick and and was full of lead shot and it sat just inside the hull near the bow eye.

It was not put there to make the boat weigh 500# but to aid in turning and overall balance. Not sure the weight but probably round 20# of lead

[Firestarter]

Tug you are always right.
There is no denying aboat at 1080 is light.... just not 400 lbs.

Hell, you can figure out that there is 43 lbs of wood, and that leaves 357 lbs of glass and gel, and it takes 5 gal of gel to cover a rocket deck and bottom at 9 lbs a gallon, so that is 357 less another 45, leaves 312 lbs, of which by weight is 50% resin, so there is 156 lbs of cloth and or resin, and cloth is roughly 1.2 lbs square foot, and there are 152 square feet in a bottom, and the same in the deck.......... damn we forgot the core....... funny how the math doesnt work.

RT

[TUG]

Originally posted by AnthonySS
Yep no doubt...it weighed 1080 lbs...but again the key word is Factory...this boat does not sound factory (OEM)

Everything about it is FACTORY except for the 3 stringers and transom....Arent they using foam in the new ones now??:D

[AnthonySS]

"Girls"....what's up with that?

"Go cry to Roark" ...what's up with that too?

No need for that kind of talk:confused:

I think we can all expect more respect then that on SandF

[TUG]

Tug aint always right, its gus Tug thinks some people are full of CaCa;) I never said it weighed 400lbs, i said it weighed in the 400#'s range meaning under 500! Thats my story RT and i'm sticking to it!! You way the hell up there in Canada and you never saw the boat ...I have and i helped hang the damn thing from the scale. Again You Wrong, I'm right!! It isnt about being right RT, you the one who got on he're REACHIN at straws, my only point is that lightweight boats can live a long life despite what YOU "the expert" may think or say about it , is that OK with you? AGAIN what is the difrence between 450-500-550 WHAT IS the diference, thats still a light ass boat am i wrong? NO i'm not!! I think you just got yur panty's in a wad RT cuz i think STV's are expensive but hey guess what THATS GUS MY OPINION !! Now settle down RT take a chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill pill :)

[WaterBoy]

This guy has had this boat for a long time, I don't think it would be going anywhere anytime soon.

[AnthonySS]

Ya...that is one sweet ride and I don't doubt it's a keeper...post more pics or email me some if possible

[WaterBoy]

I'm with Tug on one thing, The Stv's have gotten a steep price over the yrs. I've heard more than doubled. I think a light boat will last as Tug described in a river as he stated, but you put that boat in a big open lake will at least 1 to 2' waves, stress crack city, I've been there with a mirage light weight.

Waterboy

[AnthonySS]

...interesting on the Blue and white STV you posted. It actually has the PCS (ProCompSki) deck on the sprint bottom. The PCS deck was mostly used on a full interior boat. What is the seating now...single?

BTW...I would appreciate if you deleted the thread that implies "Girls" TY

[AnthonySS]

This kind of water is not an option for those of use that run STV's on bigger lakes... Have't broke one yet...but most are in the 7-800# range...

yep... sure then can last on the lighter waters

[AnthonySS]

OK...my memory is coming back...the boat is certainly centre steer with cable.

When I spoke to the Vendor of this boat a few years back...it was my undersatnding that this boat has had a fresh makeover including the new matching trailer. I believe it is the same boat?

[TUG]

Your sq. ft cloth and resin estimates may be right for a inverted bottom but these bottoms on the 88 models are sprints and they do not run near as deep nor do they have all the corners and angles the invert bottom has which means less weight !! The centerpod is nothing more than a v-bottom with a 9" pad! Whats the closest distance between 2 points RT??;) Look at Anthonys upside down pic, i'd say theres definantly additional weight between the invert and the sprints ! Anthony, no offence on the "girls" thing, gus havin a lil fun, no disrespect meant by it:p

[Firestarter]

Tug, I wouldn't call my self and expert. I have had A LOT of STV's, kinda bored with them right now. I am just analitical, I need a result to be backed up by the math.......cus it NEVER lies.
If you run rivers potato chip boats will last for a long time, plastic is like that, it is with us forever. If you corrupt it,( waves tend to do that), the time will shorten. The bottom line is most people don't want a light boat..... they are not practical.

BTW, why do you always jump to name calling? I mean really, can you not have a civil conversation?

RT

[Firestarter]

Tug, I will agree that the sprints are lighter... a lot less boat there.

RT

[TUG]

Originally posted by AnthonySS
OK...my memory is coming back...the boat is certainly centre steer with cable.

When I spoke to the Vendor of this boat a few years back...it was my undersatnding that this boat has had a fresh makeover including the new matching trailer. I believe it is the same boat?

Anthony, you reachin for straws bud;) Fresh makover?? Musta been the fresh wax job done on it!! New trailer?? Maby about 9 or 10 years ago!
The fresh makover he was refering to was the new foam transom and the stringer replacments and probably a nice buff job;)
The deck was replaced about 9 or 10 years ago because it blew over "cuz its so fcn light";) The upper deck used to be the single seat style... The transom and stringer job was done about 98 or 99 i believe never the less its still a old boat that weighs under 500#'s Man you guys are like a bunch of headhunters:D That lightweight boat blew over and it didnt even damage the hull...probably the Klegecell:D

[AnthonySS]

YEP...RT and I know all about Blow-overs and STV hulls that don't get damaged just the decks....remind me to scan those pic tommorow...I got to post them ROB...the befroe and the after at 110+ mph....a day RT won't forget;)

[Firestarter]

ewwwwwwwwwwww that wasn't pretty.

[Georgia Boy]

another pic of the boat waterboy posted.

[AnthonySS]

THANKS GB,

That's real nice:)

[Georgia Boy]

one more running against Sammy corley's quartermaster.

[350cavi]

Buddy of mine e-mailed Jack over at FTP, and this was the reply he got,


Known of the small cats are rough water boats. However it can take
as much as you can. As for wind, there is a good bit of wind in your face
but It is not unbearable. If you powered it with a 280 you should be in the
110 mph.As for the STV , It is a good boat. It is hard to compare boats when
hp is never the same. but I've never been out run by one either. A bare boat
with nothing on it and one color gel is $ 8,000.00
Please call with any questions Jack

[ProComp]

He should of left the 175 on it as he would have had the fastest 175 HP powered boat in the country. Now it just blends in with everything else.

ProComp

[rmh77]

You really dont believe me do you?

[ProComp]

I usually like to give people the benifit of the doubt and I don't make a habit of insinuating that people are liars either.

Lets just say I think that is very quick for a stock 175 and I have not heard of any other 18ft boat run that high on GPS. I had a 2.4 200 Merc with heads cut, a sportmaster and a 14.5 x 30 Cleaver on my 92 ProComp and could only get 92-93 no matter what I did. It surprises me that a similar size boat with at least 25 less Horsepower can pick up 6-7 mph.

As I said in my previous post, he definately had a conversation piece rigged with a 175.

Peace out - ProComp

[us1ss]

This has been posted before but why not one more time: Quartershot T-1, 1600lbs, 150 Optimax, 92.9mph after 1 hour of tinkering with set back and motor height, with APBA inspector present.

99mph with a 175, I believe it! That boat is fast and that hull loves being the underdog. That boat is the John Christensen (LPB) ASS KICKER!:D

[rmh77]

Originally posted by ProComp
I usually like to give people the benifit of the doubt and I don't make a habit of insinuating that people are liars either.

Lets just say I think that is very quick for a stock 175 and I have not heard of any other 18ft boat run that high on GPS. I had a 2.4 200 Merc with heads cut, a sportmaster and a 14.5 x 30 Cleaver on my 92 ProComp and could only get 92-93 no matter what I did. It surprises me that a similar size boat with at least 25 less Horsepower can pick up 6-7 mph.

As I said in my previous post, he definately had a conversation piece rigged with a 175.

Peace out - ProComp well i guess if what your saying is true Quatershot must be the better hull;) ;)

[Wildcat731]

firewalker i think it was in one of your posts that said that Quartershots dont have the top end but have you ever heard of one being strung out? The only stuff I've heard is drag stuff so if you have proof of one being run to the max can you post it please. I know theres pictures of a couple on the board but never any results. And if it wasnt firewalker who posted this whoever it was please provide some proof.

[rottenbrock]

Ever notice how long these STV vs Everything else threads get?
They always have one thing in common though. STVs:D :p

[TUG]

You mean to tell me you can get 2 Q-Shots for the price of 1 Riva Rocket hmmmmmmmmmm:D Toodles;)

[us1ss]

My last post on this thread:

There are only 2 mod-vp style boats being built today worth a damn. STV and Quartershots

Each has it's positives and negatives: Look at, ride in, climb on, get underneath, etc...... and decide how much you want to spend and get one!
Wally and Jack have great reputations with their customers. You'll probably be happy with either one if you set it up correctly and don't abuse it everytime in the water.
Good Luck with your purchase, Mike

[Rusrog]

You are dangerously close to causing a riot here... You used common sense & intelligence & these people are not gonna like that...

You summed about 100 posts in one fell swoop! You must be a genius!

I'm looking forward to seeing you & that Yamaha in Demopolis Mike...

Talk to you there,

Russ Rogers

[Black Magic]

ProComp....

The number is a real number....... probably witnessed by at least 10 or more members here as well as GPS'd. But you are probably right on one thing...... if he kept it he would have broke triple digits by now and that would make it very unique. Trust me... ( as the motor was originally mine and came off a Ranger Flats boat ) the engine was internally bone stock. The only mods were to change over to the lightweight flywheel setup and he also ran a CLE 2 hole gearcase. The motor turned 7400+ and he ran a modified cleaver by Throttle Up if memory serves me correctly when he ran the 99.

As for the 260 on the "Skittles"..... and Q Shot 260 can probably express this better than I, it runs wicked fast. The boat is showing NO unusual handling characteristics ( unless you can say that the faster it gets the better it handles unusual ) as the speed comes up. There is no doubt in my mind that this boat has a LOT more capability than it has shown but the top end numbers have been somewhat on the backburner ( see posts under LPB:D ) and setting it up for drags has been Jeff's latest interest. He lost a circlip on a piston a couple of weeks ago so for the time being the boat is "shading the driveway":rolleyes: ..... but it probably won't be long before it's back.

As for the subject matter of this post...... FTP vs STV ...... you won't have any second thoughts with either Company...... I have always believed you get what you pay for....... but in my personal opinion..... when you buy a boat from Jack @ FTP....... you get way MORE than you pay for. The man is first class.... his integrity is unquestioned.......and his products are a reflection of the man. I have been around this marine business for over 36 yrs...... and I can tell you that finding people such as Wally and Jack are few and far between. In Jack's case..... he just goes so far beyond what you would call the norm and perhaps he has to because he is the "underdog" in the industry...... but I don't think that is a significant part...... it's just the way he is. Pick up the phone...call them.... and ride them before you decide..... best advice I can give you.

Regards....... Magic:cool:

[rmh77]

You know i have alot harder time believing all of these almost 140 mph speed claims then i do a 2.5 175 on a light layup boat doing a 100mph.

[quartershot]

I have an older quartershot {Black Magics old one} and I will tell you this it is one hell of a solid boat. Just ask any of the other LTB guys I am either WOT or setting on the beach. My boat is damn near 10 years old and has only 2 stress cracks. In fact I am looking for a new boat just for a change. I went to see Jack and this guy is so into his boats. He doesnt charge what he should for these boats.

[TUG]

Ive been doing some figuring hear it is....
1080-375 lbmotor=705
705-230 for cable steering prop rigging etc=475lb boat
Whatchu think RT?

by the way, did i say Jacks boats are awesome?:) ;)
The math adds up gus fine on my calculator;)

[Firestarter]

Tug, Those numbers I am sure are close.

For the record, I have never said a bad thing about the Quartershot. I quite like them, and I respect a guy that makes his own designs, and works to make them better.......and has customer support.
I have never head of one that breaks 120 mph, much less 130.... and now 140 like the STV, but you are correct.. maybe no one has tried.

I really like the comment that there are only 2 builders if you want a new boat, as it could not be more true, the rest is JUNK.

RT

[rmh77]

Wheres this 140 mph STV that i keep hearing about ? not that im calling anyone a liar i was just wondering who had the balls to pilot this water rocket and where it is located.

[Firestarter]

GPI's boat, and there are 3 others that I know of ( not including Carver ).......... and you need BIG BALLS for that. Although, they guys all say they are stable. My Triad Rocket was at 10 less.

RT

[Casey]

true we all know that STV's haul ass, but i would be willing to bet that a Quartershot will run just as fast. have you ever watched ray or jacks boats run? there running close to 130 in the 1/4. i've had mine around 110 in the 1/4 with a stock drag, so yes they will run on top.

[Spd-Kilz]

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=468906

[Firestarter]

Casey, I am sure they will, I have just never seen anyone do it.

I don't count the 1/4, I count lake running, with no spray, or funny fuel. I could run mid 120's with 36 cc heads, with 4 seats, in a 700 lb hull.

RT

[AnthonySS]

TUG,

Nice of you to fudge;) those numbers for us Canadian girls:D so we get our 500#'s....your a class act:D

Let us girls;) buy you a Canadian Beer sometime:)

[TUG]

Gus trying to start the day out right RT:D Personaly i think them 130 and 140 speeds has more to do with satalite alignment than real speed but thats gus me!! Every now and then us Texas guys get one them freaky 124 or 128 readings when the atlas is just right but then you turn around and do it again and POOF its gone;) Howz that happen anyway?:D Now RT i know you guys dont approve of splashers but i realy think that you should give them FakeTV's a chance. Afterall me and you dont own one so we realy dont have an opinion. Lets wait and see how Conants does before we make an opinion on that!! Hell after going to LPB website and seeing that 17,950 dolla price tag on dem suckers i dont see any reason to steer away from the real thing anyway. One minute them suckers is 10,000 and the next their 17,000 ****, all i gots left is Jack and you boyz shouldnt be tellin that man his boats are to cheap neither atleast not till i get me one...or 2 ;) :D

[TUG]

Originally posted by AnthonySS
TUG,

Nice of you to fudge;) those numbers for us Canadian girls:D so we get our 500#'s....your a class act:D

Let us girls;) buy you a Canadian Beer sometime:)

Better add that up again Anthony 475 is not 500;) unless you rounding off to the nearest hundred Cheater!:D

Them mota's iz 375!!

[Firestarter]

Tug,

You hit it right on the head, the LPB boat is not any cheeper........ so why on earth would anyone buy one?.

RT

[rmh77]

I think you guys just took a picture of the gauge self check!:D Even still that take some serious equipment to achieve that speed.

[TUG]

We need to get sombody with a river rocket and finance his road trip starting in Texas waters and then moving northeast state to state droping it in the water as he goes and i'd betchu that GPS would go from 115 in Texas to 135 by the time you hit Georgia or New York..... steadily climbing as she goes;) :p Oh yea and 150 when you hit Canadian waters, less slipage in frozen water:D

[TUG]

Originally posted by AnthonySS
TUG,

Nice of you to fudge;) those numbers for us Canadian girls:D so we get our 500#'s....your a class act:D

Let us girls;) buy you a Canadian Beer sometime:)

I redone the math, go look :D You girls be sure to wear your best French Maid outfits when you buy me dem beers yu hear;) :D

[AnthonySS]

OK enuff on the math and the girls...lets see more nice boats...I'll start with some stv's

[BLUElixir]

Poor Checkmates Forever asked a few fairly simple questions about how the T4 and the Euro compare and it turns into a 8 page dispute on weights and speeds......

Can't we just ignore the speed issue for right now and answer his questions of wind, handling, comfort, what are the bottoms like, and are the top decks the same (They aren't by the way)?

[sho305]

I was thinking that, should I buy a Chevy or a Ford truck...?:) I would not want a light one, just for durability IMHO. Does not seem to affect speeds that much for a lake boat. These are both good boats at the top of the game just depends on what you want in price, service, looks, what use you have for it, etc. If you search here I know there are tons of STV threads, the others are harder to find but still here.

[Spd-Kilz]

Originally posted by BLUElixir
Poor Checkmates Forever asked a few fairly simple questions about how the T4 and the Euro compare and it turns into a 8 page dispute on weights and speeds......

Can't we just ignore the speed issue for right now and answer his questions of wind, handling, comfort, what are the bottoms like, and are the top decks the same (They aren't by the way)?

Thank you BLUElixir,

I did know the tops arn't the same, I meant the front part of the top deck, as they do look similiar. But help with the questions is greatly appreciated.

[j.iverson]

Chris, best of luck on your purchase. I don't know much about T4's or STVs, other than they both look really cool. One thing to keep in mind on your order is the actual delivery date that your toy will be in your hands. I see your motor is on order, just realize that the hulls aren't always finished when they are claimed (I am still waiting on a hull I ordered in late February).:(

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Black Magic
[B]ProComp....

The number is a real number....... probably witnessed by at least 10 or more members here as well as GPS'd. But you are probably right on one thing...... if he kept it he would have broke triple digits by now and that would make it very unique. Trust me... ( as the motor was originally mine and came off a Ranger Flats boat ) the engine was internally bone stock. The only mods were to change over to the lightweight flywheel setup and he also ran a CLE 2 hole gearcase. The motor turned 7400+ and he ran a modified cleaver by Throttle Up if memory serves me correctly when he ran the 99.

This post reminds me of when Black Magic said on another thread that he had never seen an S.T.V. run 120 with a stock 260. Sure suck's when nobody believes what the motor really is LTB's.:p

[rmh77]

i still havent seen it PRO COMP!

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

That's cause we've never been to Lake Tarpon;)

[rmh77]

im talking bone stock 260 no heads brucato and **** like that. fly wheel and reeds

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

Allready did it, 6 years ago, just removed the rev limiter, even had a 2 hole CLE just like yours.:)

[rmh77]

ok i confirmed it!:D its rare though not many are doing it

[Black Magic]

Originally posted by ProComp


Ya got a Faria Speedo in that bad boy.

Always entertaining these posts.

ProComp

Other than your word...... where's the proof? Perhaps you had the state of the art GPS 6 yrs ago....... maybe it was radared.... or was it your rpms multiplied by ego ( is that slippage...or "gainage"):eek: :D :D

All in fun Pro Comp...... but you haven't convinced me yet!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

It's cool dude, I believe you guy's about the 99.8 out of the 175, some boats just run faster than others of the same kind with the same hp's we just got lucky.;)

[rmh77]

If you are the guy they call fast freddie then you ran somthin like 122mph right

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

Magic, you crack me up, yea i'm gonna put it back to bone stock just to prove it to you.:rolleyes:

[DCI]

I saw Freddie's stv/260 on the river run 122 and jeff's quarterpounder w/175 run 99.2 I loaned him my lab 32 cleaver for his record triple digit run and it puked the fuel pump right after that he got the 260

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

Yea rmh, it actually ran 121 back then, after a set of 32cc heads (pump 93) and a Diamond tuner with a Merc. spacer like the 280 comes with, i went to the Bob's cone on a 200 case, these thing's helped a little bit.

[rmh77]

Magic theres also 2 PROCOMPS on this thread . The one you quoted was just regualr PROCOMP

[rmh77]

Thats cool PROCOMP-260 it just gets anoying when some of these STV guys make it sound like they bolted a 280 on and there crusing at speeds of 120 - 130. The guys getting the real speeds like youself have alot of time in set up.

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

Thank's ;) I have a friend's powerhead on right now trying to get that 130 but this heat is killing us, been to 128 with 14.5x32 cleaver borrowed from another buddy who's playing with a speedmaster, his S.T.V. is a few short of 140:eek: , Radar and GPS.

[PARKER RABE]

I GOT IT ALL ON VIDEO:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Merc-Cruiser]

I like them both! M/C:)

[Hot Shot Merc]

I was at my freind Scott's house last night.He just got a brand new Triad STV and it looks great on the outside.Thats the only difference between an STV and a Lightning.Your comments about Lightning not being built well is so far from the truth and you know it if you were actually at Lightning Power Boats and saw them for yourself.Back to the facts.Scotts boat has intermediate bulk heads that are only about three inches high and dont even go up to the deck anywhere.I also seen the forward bulk head that is only two or three inches high and is glassed (Tabbed only) to the outside sponson(starbd) and on the port side the bulk head stops about a 1/4 in away from the vertical side of the hull(outside sponson.) and doesnt even touch the vertical part of the sponson.Its not even tabbed and has a bunch of glass strands sticking out everywere.A bulk head does nothing for the integrity of the boat if it doesnt go up the side of the hull.My Lightning is by far built stronger than ANY STV THAT HAS EVER BEEN BUILT.I just wish you could see my boat with your own eye's.Your statements would be very very different.John at Lightning Power boats will not build them any other way.Ask around those who actually have one or have seen them.The finish sux yes but the quality is way over built.The only crappy Lightning stv John built was the CHIP.That was a throw away that he built as a super light in your face race boat.I will say that that boat is Junk!!!.I understand that those of you who own STV's will be real protective over the STV name but in my opinion they are not as weel built as evryone makes them out to be.Ive seen many faults in there boats throughout the years.They also make some that are near perfect.not all of them.:cool: And to the guy who called me out for an ODBA RACE.I would love to race at the next ODBA race but my boat weighs 1650 lb's and in super stock rules for Lake racer my stock 280 with 280 electronics needs to weigh in at 1500 lb's.I'm just too heavy to compete with yall at that weight.I'm not ducking out I just simply dont want to waste $1,000 to say I raced ya.For the record SMART ASS! Ive been beeten by many STV's as well.But Have one my share against them too.

[Hot Shot Merc]

I knew it was only a matter of time before you made some kind of remark like that.:(

[1BadAction]

Originally posted by Hot Shot Merc
lightning this, lightning that, blah, blah, blah, blah, lightning, lightning, lightning...

No, actually i hoped to get some valid information from this Thread, i am going to be buying a new boat in the next 6 months so i would like to know. The Euro is cool, but i like the way the t-4 looks more than i like the euro. So if they were built the same with similar bottoms, i would definately look at the t4 instead of the euro. As it is i am 99% sure that i am getting a venom. Want to talk about that boat? cause it is built better than any of them, and handles just as good- if not better.

I didnt bring up jack **** about LPB, YOU DID. besides, last time i checked, this thread was STV vs Full throttle powerboats, not LPB vs STV... If you want me to start one like that, i will. how about it?

[Hot Shot Merc]

First off I just mentioned about my Lightning and got some BS from aguy about there quality so I defended myself.God Damn I'm getting tired of your ****ing mouth.I thought you got over you stupid little attitude at the RBR when we sat and had dinner.I guess you will never grow out of your hatred for me Get a life.You sure as hell aint getting a new boat.Your a tire kicker and you waste people time like Jim from Hydrostream.You started this I didnt.Jackass!!:o

[Hot Shot Merc]

Why are you so nice in person and then when you get behind your computer you become the worlds biggest asshole???I thought we were freinds and freinds dont run there piehole like you allways do.

[Hot Shot Merc]

You deserved these post about your attitude.Your post about about Lightning this lightning that bla,bla,bla was out of line.And now your trying to pretend that your realy evaluating the boats when you say your really wanting a Venom.Whatever!:rolleyes: Your two faced .Dont comment to me anymore if you dont have something nice to say.:mad:

[1BadAction]

yep rob your right, im a piece of ****. Nobody cares, they never have.

[Hot Shot Merc]

Sorry that your thread got deraild.Hey 1 bad stream ...You have a pm.

[TUG]

Hot Shot, i agree with you... all STV's probably dont have the same quality as one another but the STV you were refering to may have been built as a light boat and they have to shave off wherever they can! I understand that bulkhead isnt where the primary weight is at but it all adds up on the scales! I personaly think STV's are great boats but they have priced them suckers way out of my reach (or should i say way more than i would pay) for a 18ft chunk of fiberglass thats fo sho !! Them sum biches aint THAT great!! As for LPB's i'm totaly with you , people that dont own them shouldnt comment on the quality of the boat !! The fact that their splashes of the original doesnt bother me one bit if its a well built boat!! As for finish work, that probably isnt anything a couple days with a sanding block and a good buffer wouldnt overcome! I liked the LPB STV till i seen that price on his website....gus broke my freakin woody strait in half i tellyu:( That 17.900 # blew my intrist strait to hell.......Jack is the MAN!!! Well built boat thats a proven design and for a reasonable price also, cant beat it with a stick!! As for 1 Bad Stream i think its funny that everytime LPB's is mentioned he jumps in with his bull****, seems the guy has a problem with LPB ifnyu ask me!! He may not be direct with it but neverthuless he's always there:rolleyes: IGNORE HIM!!!

[TUG]

did you hear dat lil dawg uyappin ? I didnt;) :)

[Hot Shot Merc]

This thread has given me gas.I have to go fart.I should have known that this thread would get the best of me as well as many others.One should never ask for an opinion between two boat manufactures like this.WE all know that they end up in a bull**** debate.Later!....Rob Lankford

[Corona Mike]

Rob,It's just an OPINION brother.If you are happy with your boat--and you should be that is one beautiful boat!--then don't let anyones OPINION bother you!They didn't pay for it.You know what you have.As far as the STV--verses the Quartershots,it's the old,established name verses the new boat on the block.There are people who you couldn't sell anything but a STV to.They have ben around for a long time,and they do make a very good boat.If they were junk there would be a lot less S&F members because everyone that is running 120+in one would have had the boats break under them from pure stress.Like I said,BOTH companies are building a Quility product,ones just a little better known than the other one.See you at the Suwannee! Mike T.

[CUDA]

Hey Hot Shot -- those STVs are made that way on purpose, Summerford always left it unattached from the deck so they did not stress crack. As Tug has said he knows of lots of old STVs and they still look good;) I'm sure Summerford knows a lot more about boat building then your SPLASH friend.--- I blew a Sleekcraft SST mod VP 400lb hull over in 1984, the only real damage to the boat was from me hitting the dash with my chest, I asked another boat builder why he thought his boat that blew over broke into lots of pieces and my light weight chip was still together, he said while my chip was flexing, his was snaping apart.--= What ever the reason more is not always better, stiffer is not always better. Ron Hausman blew his DR 20 over at 120+ at Jasper last year, that boat was one of the lightest ever built, Wally had it back together in two weeks , and only added twenty lbs to the boat .

[Techno]

Firewalker.
Way back like 10 pages! You say a light boat isn't as fast as a heavier one. I don't get this. If this isn't a hull flexing issue then that means I could carry a passenger and be at my fastest?
This don't make any sense. More weight in anything requires more HP to push it.
I could brag that my boat goes XXX mph WITH a passenger but wouldn't be able to mention a solo run?:eek: That would be funny.

My $.002 on the boat choice. Get the non STV. Why? because its another boat builder and the more builders building the more choices and competition keeps things going. If its an either one choice.

I chose my boat so I didn't have to dick around with squeezing more speed if/when I wanted it. There are many out there that can do this. For that matter if the price is that different consider your engine, prop and rigging choices now. An aerostar prop runs 1500 imagine the performance gain with one of those?


For rough water running I have 3 choices. Its flat and I run. Its not flat and I run and wish I hadn't . Its terrible and can't go out. From all the pictures I've seen boats running in "rough" water I have yet to see it, in the pictures. I imagine Firewalker gets it on his lake, its pretty large. But I have yet to see any of these type boats run in rough water. Never seen a picture et.

[stoker2001]

Originally posted by rmh77
I think you guys just took a picture of the gauge self check!:D Even still that take some serious equipment to achieve that speed. kinda coincidental that all the GPS recall speedos do a self check right at the three oclock position (right where it says 140):p oh well what do you expect to hear from a mirage owner:D

[JonesRacing#157]

Unlimited Ray Leach 1st Full Throttle Powerboat
Jack Barch 2nd Full Throttle Powerboat

[CUDA]

It's like Montys dream has come true:D I think it has to do with that new trailer.---PS Would like to see one run in Super Stock

[Firestarter]

Cuda, thanks for explaining why the boat is built that way. Hot shot, maybe you should understand what you are talking about before you go spouting off.

This thread has gone to crap, I am sure partly my fault. Bottom line is you cannot go wrong with an STV ( a real one ), and from the testimony is sure looks like the Quartershot. Which from what I have seen at the races are beauitfully built.... I have just never been in one.

RT

[Rusrog]

My $.002 on the boat choice. Get the non STV. Why? because its another boat builder and the more builders building the more choices and competition keeps things going. If its an either one choice.

Would someone stop to think that if all of these splashing companies are building cheaper, copied boats and the ORIGINATORS are run out of business... Who are the the copiers going to rely on for their molds.... Good God I cannot believe I am posting again on this but it pisses me off when I see people comparing inferior rip-offs of quality hulls against the original.

The proof is in the pudding. Go to a race and see what wins. At Demopolis this past weekend... Triad STV's, Allisons, Quartershots, Quartermasters & Triad DR-20's ruled the roost. No goofy wanna be's even show up to race....

Russ Rogers
Ft Worth TX

[Scott Tharpe]

and got called a Smart Ass. I don't want to piss him off. I may get

into the fake ROLEX sales.

[LPB]

Need to do a little more home work,the hull mold that has built every FT hull that Jack has ever built is the same mold that I LPB built from a boat that was bought from REVENRUDEEEEEEEE many many years ago,yes it has had many changes,but its still the same mold !!!!But NEWS FLASH jack has told me he's building a new one ,DAMN I go away for 10 days down to the ISLANDS and look at what I missed ! MORE BULL**** ! DIFFERENT DAY SAME **** !!!! FIREWALKER not sure who you are but I don't recall anyone from canada at my shop lately,the last three customers that looked at my LIGHTNING STV's took them home with them ,but I would love to have you come down to sarasota and show me all these corners I cut building my boats I have never claimed to be the BEST BOAT BUILDER out there ,But Im pretty sure we don't cut any corners with our boats,And were working on the finish work ,like someone mentioned a little sandpaper and a buffer go'es a long way ! Ok everyone back to your war ! john

[rmh77]

LPB stop taking credit for jacks quatershots! maybe they were your molds or revinrudes but if jack kept building boats out of your molds with out changing the bottoms he'd be out of business. We've all seen 7 grand dans boat run the thing cant even get over 104mph with a 280! and the thing violently hops all over the place. Now we take skittles that has had the bottom redone by jack and that thing runs perfect! beats your STV's every time;)

[LPB]

And one day you wake up !I only have one word for ya FESTER !! OLD SCHOOL!!

[rmh77]

OLD SCHOOL ,NEW SCHOOL ,SOME SCHOOL..................or how about YOU'VE BEEN SCHOOLED.....BITCH!HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE THE STUDENT every time one of your lightnings comes out to the lake;)........... You call me the day one of your lightnings will run 100mph with a 2.5 175 FISHIN MOTOR! So far your lightning STV's dont impress me

[Techno]

Originally posted by Rusrog
Would someone stop to think that if all of these splashing companies are building cheaper, copied boats and the ORIGINATORS are run out of business... Who are the the copiers going to rely on for their molds.... Good God I cannot believe I am posting again on this but it pisses me off when I see people comparing inferior rip-offs of quality hulls against the original.

The proof is in the pudding. Go to a race and see what wins. At Demopolis this past weekend... Triad STV's, Allisons, Quartershots, Quartermasters & Triad DR-20's ruled the roost. No goofy wanna be's even show up to race....

Russ Rogers
Ft Worth TX

I didn't say to by a splashed boat and Triad isn't even the "originator" They own the name and molds. While we're on that subject when was the last time they upgraded these hulls? '91? Good competition there. We will certainly lose splash potential from .... How old of a hull? 14 YEARS!

Finally everyone bringing up these stinkin drag races needs to realign reality. How many boat owners do you think gives a damn? So someone can do a speed in a 1/4 mile, how does this equate with what this guy is asking? A boat built to carry 4 people isn't entering a drag race on the weekend with 2 kids and wife on board.
The boat isn't stripped the engine isn't being wound up to 1 hour rebuild times and the props aren't model engine pitchs.
I don't know if he has a family but this drag racing bias is way too dominate in everything that is mentioned on this board. If someone asks a question it is automaticaly assumed they want to stop the boat at the end of the parking lot.
STVs weren't even built as dragons. They were built as racers!!!!

Now where are those comparisions:rolleyes:

[LPB]

put the so called 175 back on the skittles boat,run your # and then will put it on my boat and like allways school will be in session !!! BITACH !!!!

[TUG]

is Phil Conant?:confused: RMH when you guys gonna get a 260 or a 300Drag to run on the back of these boats? This 175 and 280 crap bores me!! By the way, a strong 260 will run all over a 280 FYI;)

[rmh77]

Originally posted by LPB
put the so called 175 back on the skittles boat,run your # and then will put it on my boat and like allways school will be in session !!! BITACH !!!! ........Your smokin crack FATASS if you that any STV you have will run 100 mph with a 175! You would have a better chance of bolting it to your FLIVER! I bet it really bothers you that you do not have a single boat in your fleet that will beat an OLDSCHOOL QUATERSHOT!;) But hey sometimes your the student and sometimes your the teacher...you just happen to always be the student

[rmh77]

Originally posted by TUG
is Phil Conant?:confused: RMH when you guys gonna get a 260 or a 300Drag to run on the back of these boats? This 175 and 280 crap bores me!! By the way, a strong 260 will run all over a 280 FYI;)




well the flagship boat "skittles" of LTB Racing does indeed have a 260 that runs very well.;)

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

Originally posted by TUG
By the way, a strong 260 will run all over a 280 FYI;) [/B] Damm, I was thinking of going to one of them bad ass 280 since some people think the 260's aren't ****.;)

[rmh77]

yea id throw that old 260 in the garbage and get a 280! in fact ill throw it away for you!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

[Pro-Comp 2.5 260]

When i get tired of the slow speed's i'll let you know so you can come get. ;)

[TUG]

:D :D Guess i got a lil mixed up there!! I gus wish o'l Phil would get it in gear so we can hear some real #'s on this Lightning STV!! This 200 Promax and 175 and 280 stuff aint never gonna run:rolleyes: Personaly i think Phil might surprise all uvyu;) Good gawd, my 1719lb Mirage "dry weight" with me in it will run 106 with 2 people in the damn thing and the only mods done is a Taylor ecu ! These boats have to have more potetial then that TUB i gots!!:confused:

[rmh77]

Dont get your hopes up last i heard Phil doesnnt even have the boat yet! I think its a bunch of **** talkin personally;)

[TUG]

Sure is taking a while aint it!! I heard 2 weeks ago he would be picking it up in 1 week so figured we'd hear somthing by now!! Neverthuless SOMBODY maby even John himself needs to rig one up with some real power instead of all this fake pussy stuff;)

[LPB]

Part of the deal with Phil is a new RACE power Head! And my New RACE LIGHTNING STV better known as the "CHIP II" will be out of the mold tomorrow! Damn RMH 77 don't get all upset ,not EVERYONE is lucky enough to have a LIGHTNING,So instead of just talking about how fast there going to be ,I think will just show them!The main reason that Phil hasn't got his boat is simplely I've been out of the country for the last 10 days ! I don't think Phil's worried about any of the LTG's,He's got his sights set for the guys with the 130-140 MPH STV's,Sorry FESTER the LAKE TARPON GIRLS are just not in that LEAGUE !! I guess you have a short memorie,it hasn't been but a few weeks since I was at LK Tarpon and PUT that Imbassising ASS WOPPIN on you,WHAT was it 4-5-6 boat Lenths ,In your back yard BY YOUR RULES ! And that was in my HST not LIGHTNING STV,Whats really sad is you GETTING beat by my DAUGHTER in her New HST thats coming out of the mold this week allso !! Fester just get your **** ready and I'll see ya at cresent city !!Then I'll have the $2 trophy to prove your ass WHOPPIN !!!

[rmh77]

The only way that lightning STV is gonna be fast is if you found away to strap your fat head to the transome! cause i know that fat cocksucker of yours will run well over 10,000 rpm! It would be like a high power jet with all the hot air coming out of it!

[Skittles]

Building another chip LPB............here we go again:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Rusrog]

Need to do a little more home work,the hull mold that has built every FT hull that Jack has ever built is the same mold that I LPB built from a boat that was bought from REVENRUDEEEEEEEE many many years ago,yes it has had many changes,but its still the same mold !!!!

Having not been to FTP I cannot comment on that. What I can comment on is this. I have never seen another boat with lines like the FTP. And believe me... I have looked them over pretty well... If he copied someone else's boat to build his Q-Shots... It would be the first I had heard of it and shame on him for doing it.


I didn't say to by a splashed boat and Triad isn't even the "originator" They own the name and molds. While we're on that subject when was the last time they upgraded these hulls? '91? Good competition there.
More brilliance here... Take a good look at an STV bottom lately and you will see most of the average lake type boats are still using the same basic bottom that Roark built years ago WHEN WALLY BOUGHT THE MOLDS AND THE NAME AND THE LICENSE TO BUILD THEM. But if you go look at the drag boats you will see that Wally is still developing & refining the bottom of the boats to make them better. (There you go LPB... now you have something else to copy.) Triad also has several different configs of DR-20 for varying needs of racers. Simply put... The STV in it's current config is faster than most of the people in the world need or even want. If you want to go faster... Triad & FTP can handle your needs. And a few years from now... The copiers will steal the technology and you can get go buy it in an economy version. Just remember... If you are really serious about going fast... Do you want your boat built by the one who takes pride in what he has created or do you want it built by someone trying to make a buck off of someone else's hard work.

This represents the end of my comments on the subject.

Russ Rogers
[email protected]
Ft Worth TX

[Skittles]

LPB builds ALL the boats. STV's are his molds, Mirage's are his molds, FTP uses his molds.........he's the sh!t, short of Mr. Warby he's the fastest man/pioneer/designer/boat builder on the water:rolleyes: :D.......just ask him and he'll tell you

[Skittles]

I don't share your opinion on the shouldn't buy a splash deal........I don't hear STV crying about it just the owners of "real STV's" There is a market for both it seems..........however if you ask me LPB is splashing the wrong boat............its the "other tunnel"that needs it........I'd run a lightning ANY day over a "real" you know the name.......for obvious reasons:cool:

[Firestarter]

Splashing boats is stealing..... the law says so. The lawyers make it very expensive to go after splashers. It is that simple.

To answer, John at lightning from a few pages back. I go to Florida a lot, your boats don't spend 100% of there time indoors. I am well versed in how to build a boat, I know what I see.

RT

[rmh77]

LPB just gets upset because he gets schooled everytime he comes out by a bunch of guys half his age!;)

[Skittles]

BUT........obviously STV is not bothered by it so we'll leave it alone.

Just for the sake of argument........right wrong or indifferent can you name me one company that has been put out of buisness from splashers........or one splashing company that has made it to the top?????

[Ray Leach]

I told myself I would not get involved in this, but I never listen to myself anyway. The hull mold that the Quartershots are made from was purchased by Jack from John as something to start with about 8 or 9 years ago. Jack has since changed the outside sponsons once and totally redone the entire center sponson THREE times to get that boat were it is today and the last boat will be going in that mold shortly and a new mold (same design no changes) will be produced now that he is happy with the finished product. He did't steal anything or pop anything so let's put that to bed. All the deck molds are from total scratch the T-1 capsule, T-3, T-4 all started from plywood, fiberglass and putty as did the extension that is added to the drag hulls. The first boat he ever built was in 1991 when he started the plug for the 35' canopy race boat that he did make molds for and he did build and we raced for 3 years before we got out of offshore and into the little boats. Bottom line he can build anything he wants and has. For the poor guy that started this thread with a honest question I feel this book should at least address it. I have a T-1 and 1 T-3 they are great boats and I could not be happier. That being said I would own a STV in a heartbeat. Take your pick you can't go wrong either way. One more thing, the R and D that racing a product gives you is immense and although the gentleman is looking at more of a pleasure set-up it is still high performance which comes directly from race programs. (Don't remember who said earlier that racing results did'nt matter, I thought it deserved a response.) Sorry for the novel.
Ray Leach

[Firestarter]

Who are we to say that STV is not bothered by all this. I don't want to speak out of turn, but I would bet that they are PISSED. But have the class not to speak out on the subject, me on the otherhand, I don't care.
To say that someone was put out of business I could not answer, but it without a doubt hurts them. That is hardly right, when the real owner paid for the right. It doesn't help that people have to explain who built theres or why one on the resale market is cheep and the other is not. It hurts everyone. John at Lightning has stated time and time again that there is no money in little boats, well it is because people like HIM screw up the market.

I remember a post on here buy a fellow that I won't name that had a friend looking to buy a new STV and was calling the wrong place..... he almost bought one until he was corrected as to who the real builder is. That IS a problem, and is a good example of how it hurts.

RT

[Skittles]

Enough said.......as I certainly don't want to turn this into yet another splashing thread :cool:

[Firestarter]

" Enough said.......as I certainly don't want to turn this into yet another splashing thread "

I don't know how it is even debateable. The USA has laws, they are not to be broken, if they are broken there are penalties. What debate is there?, it is stealing.... and in somecase's getting away with it.

I am done with this thread, to the gentalman who started this.....if you are still reading it. Buy a Full Throttle, or a Real STV.... you cannot go wrong with either, both come from reputable companies.

RT

[Spd-Kilz]

Originally posted by Firewalker
" Enough said.......as I certainly don't want to turn this into yet another splashing thread "

I don't know how it is even debateable. The USA has laws, they are not to be broken, if they are broken there are penalties. What debate is there?, it is stealing.... and in somecase's getting away with it.

I am done with this thread, to the gentalman who started this.....if you are still reading it. Buy a Full Throttle, or a Real STV.... you cannot go wrong with either, both come from reputable companies.

RT

Thanks Firewalker, I'm still hanging in here, I am laughing at all the bullsh!t that has dragged thru 13 pages, only selected people with valid information I have listened to. I thank most of you!

[rmh77]

Now maybe fatass will stop tryiing to take credit for jacks boats!

[Skittles]

As I made it allllllllllthe way through 11 or 12 pages before I couldn't take anymore of LPB's Sh!t.

As I said earlier in this post, tough descision, but you'll be happy with either boat.:cool:

[The Pale Rider]

Originally posted by Checkmates Forever
Thanks Firewalker, I'm still hanging in here, I am laughing at all the bullsh!t that has dragged thru 13 pages, only selected people with valid information I have listened to. I thank most of you!


thats ironic checkmate. arent you the guy that was pretending to be some 40 year old dude on the checkmates board and you got busted because your really like some 13 year old? I guess thats not bull**** at all. :rolleyes:

[Spd-Kilz]

Originally posted by the pale rider
thats ironic checkmate. arent you the guy that was pretending to be some 40 year old dude on the checkmates board and you got busted because your really like some 13 year old? I guess thats not bull**** at all. :rolleyes:

You are correct my friend, but I am not hiding it, I got a father with some money who has asked me to check out the details for him!!!!!!!!!! Nice try.

[rmh77]

:eek: :eek:

[Spd-Kilz]

To add to that I will be the 15 year old that is schooling your a$$ when we're in a new STV or FTP and your in your Mate.

[rmh77]

In your mate!:eek: :eek:

[TUG]

[i]If you are really serious about going fast... Do you want your boat built by the one who takes pride in what he has created or do you want it built by someone trying to make a buck off of someone else's hard work.

This represents the end of my comments on the subject.

Russ Rogers
[email protected]
Ft Worth TX [/B]

At the prices i'm seeing these days, i'll take whatever i can get for a cheap as i can get it as long as the performance and quality is there, i dont give a **** what name is on the side!! If LPB can save me a few thousand on a 18 foot crackerbox special, i'm game!!!;)
You see i look at it in a difrent perspective, goes somthing like....do i want this STV for an arm or do i want this STV for an arm and a leg:confused: ;)
Sorry if you feel i'm an asshole or somthing but its hard to feel for a company that has let the price of these boats more than double sence he got the rights to them but hey, thats gus me sorry if i offend;)

[TUG]

. I am well versed in how to build a boat, I know what I see.

RT [/B][/QUOTE]

I especialy like the one that it takes 5 gallons of gelcoat to cover the top deck.....Its funny i can cover mine with 2 gallons and thats an exterior aplication aswell;)

[Firestarter]

5 to cover the whole boat....... but color could make it more or less, yellow being the most.

RT

[TUG]

Gotchu;)

[neveredge]

I've posted this before but I guess all the communists out there don't like it.

Patent's are designed to give the innovator a set period of time to expliot their idea without competition, usaully 17 years. Why should boat builders be any different?

Mercury had a patent on the 60 degree V block and as soon as the patent expired OMC copied it. OMC could have, if they wished copied the Merc exactly.

Eventually the anti-splashing law will reach the supreme court and when it does it will be shot down.

Anti-splashing law; most boat builders have not registered their designs and do not even have patents on them so why should a company that won't even take any action to protect their product deserve protection.

I think 17 years is enough for any company to be free of competition

Do any of you really think that 17 years is not enough for a boat bottom to be protected? Assumming that it was patented in the first place.

[Hot Shot Merc]

You must not have read my entire post.I also told about the bulk head not even touching the outside of the left sponson.They dont just build them that way,it was clearly a mistake.That is a fact.I wish I could take a dig, photo of it myself and post this screw up by the Triad company on this over priced Euro.This person is a close freind of mine that owns this stv and I dont know how I would take a photo of this and contiue to bash as yall like to put it his boat that he is very proud of.I would love to hear all the reasons that you professional boat builders(JOKE) have to give for this BIG mistake that My freind said that he would address to Mr.Wally Lampkin at the STV owners rally thats comeing up this summer.Mr, Walker I do know what I'm talking about.......As for you Russ,There are a lot of stv's and no lightnings in the ODBA because ther are only about 7 or 8 Lightning River Rockets in existence.John just started building them in 03".And I am the only person of them that has any intrest in Drag raceing.I would have been at a few ODBA races last year with a 280 with 260 electronics and a Diamond fly wheel.This would have been (Super stock) Lake racer boat but due to a hole in the block of my 280 that you could have stuck your fist through kept me from makeing any of the remaining races for that season.I then decided to not even try and Drag the Odba This year due to the huge expence and distances that I would have to drive each month.I bought a complete stock 280 and thought that just playing on the lakes and rivers on the weekends around the state was the best thing for me.Then at the Radical Boat Reunion Ron Baker announced that he would be hosting a series of drags here in Florida this summer so I decided to give them a try with my stock 280 with 280 electronics.It does well for the class and the rules they have for Lake racer.If I switched this motor to 260 electronics and tightend the heads like the rules state,I would love to try and make a few odba races.Keep in mind Mr. pro Drag racer that Jimmy Hennsley only got me by about a boat lenght or less and he is an ODBA champ.Dont underestimate me.:D

[Firestarter]

I said I was done with this post.......but, Hot shot, bulkheads are not supposed to touch the deck, they are supposed to be lightly tabbed to them. If they are solid they will crack.

RT

[TUG]

I agree that most boats have the decks tabbed to the bulkhead but i think what he's saying is the bulkhead doesnt touch the outer sides of the sponsons , that would be the " bottom " and on both my STV and Mirage they do run solid on the bottom......even on the sides !!;)

[Firestarter]

Tug, they are not supposed to touch the sides either. Just the bottom.
Triad changed the way the boats are built after Roark.... they are a lot better now.

BTW, STV pattened the boat. It was designed in 91' making it 14 years old still short of the 17 year rule, and there are anti-splashing laws.... the lawyer expense is the problem.

If I were to build "Firewalker Fords" wanna see how fast they have a legal team on me........ what is the difference?

RT

[TUG]

Well maby, but didnt he also say they touch on 1 side but not the other?? not sure but if thats the case then i would agree there was a mistake made "probably no big deal thoe"!!
Also on this pattend thing, isnt there some kinda clause in there that states only a certain % of the boat has to be difrent from t he original to allow the making of it to be legal? Seems i read somthing about that before and it seems like it was a VERY small percentage also??? If thats the case then its possible that just the change LBP made on the transom end of the boat might very well make it legal...also any changes in the structure of the boat might count he're aswell!! Not sure on that but it does seem like ive read that before !! Besides, if it realy was THAT illegal there would be a ****load of people in jail right now but there's not is there??;) Hey at 20,000 a boat and a 1 year backlog, there's no reason he cant afford a lawyer:D Hell ive been shelling out quite a bit to one latley and i'm just an o'l poorboy:mad: :mad:

[Firestarter]

where do you get 20 k

More like 13k

[TUG]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit Firewalker, who you kidding anyway??:D Yea 13 for the phone call, then the magic "list" comes out!!:D
Oh did you want a seat in that boat?? Ching Ching
Oh yea, you need a trailor for that thing... ching Ching Ching
You mean you want a light boat less resin less material= less labor= more ching ching ching
Ah dont tell me you want a strait bottom on that thing ching ching ching

Man what ever happened to the good o'l days 12,000 for boat trailor interior etc now its 13000 and everything else is extra!!
By the way a strait bottom should be standard on any boat ifnyu ask me ! why isnt that option incorporated into the molds in t he first place anyway?? Especialy at these prices??

Man o'l Jack can sell a boat with all the damn options you can think of including hydrolic steering for 14,000, why cant the other guys do the same?? :confused:
I wish Brad collins woulkd get back in the saddle along with some others to keep these boats reasonable, there starting to get like corvettes, going up every damn time you turn around!! Atleast with Corvettes a lil somthing changes year to year but he fact is the boat has doubled in price and nothings changed at all except the price and the owners!!;)

[rmh77]

LOL!!!! Aint that the truth Tug;)

[Firestarter]

My Triad, ran 120 out of the box.....it had not bottom changes, came with 4 seats and had double kevlar and okume wood and and SS transom. It was 13 k ( 2000 ). If you add options they get more $ just like cars.
I would bet that a Triad is A LOT straighter than a lightning out of the box!.

You guys have this all screwed up.

RT

[rmh77]

Oh god another 120 mph STV!:rolleyes:

[TUG]

13K!! HA, i'll tellyu what when i'm ready to buy me a new STV, i'm gonna call you sence you can get them sum biches cheaper than anybody else can:D Hey was the trailor included or will i have to tow that thing home on skateboards:D

[rmh77]

13K gets you a plain white boat with a 5 gallon pail to sit on

[Firestarter]

Hey RMH....... I have over a dozen STV's out of my shop that BLOW BY 120. I can't help it if you guys aren't smart enough to figure how to do it out. 120 is a joke. 130 is becoming common.
Tug..... stop pushing my buttons....... no trailer.

[rmh77]

yea what motor,prop,case etc?

[TUG]

By the way, Thats 13,000 Canadian right?:D Does it come wit a seat or a stool?;)

[Firestarter]

2.5 SS, 36 cc heads, and a sportmaster........you should have been at the rumble.... it was 3rd. and the only pump gas 4 seater in the top 10

[Firestarter]

Tug that was funny.....

[rmh77]

ok sure!:rolleyes:

[Skittles]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[rmh77]

And besides the heads this would be a stock motor 280 i assume. And also what prop?

[Firestarter]

It is a drag motor with a stock rotating assembly, 36cc heads ( 138 lbs compression ) milled exhaust plate and tuner, ported reed cages, SVS, lightened flywheel and custom ECU curve. 1.75 gears and a 14.5 X 30 Dennis Cavanaugh cleaver....9100rpm. Modified sportmaster.

[Skittles]

Thats STOCK..........out of the box:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Firestarter]

who the hell said stock?

[rmh77]

why wouldnt you say what you had done to the motor the first time i asked? I sure hope it would do 120 or better with over 300 hp on the back

[Firestarter]

I don't consider that a lot

[rmh77]

well its not gonna happen with a stock 280 and theres only one ive seen do it with a 260

[Firestarter]

a 280 will do it.
lots of 260's do it ( both need ECU work)

[rmh77]

Yea maybe on the bacK of a QUATERSHOT!;)

[Rusrog]

Have any of you ever heard of Patriot Boats out of Alabama, I believe???? They splashed Allison hulls...

Darris Allison had the time to file suit against them and the boats in inventory, the molds and tooling were crushed and and the builder prosecuted.

Hmmmmmm. Good thing Wally is too busy innovating, designing & building the highest quality boats in the country.

Russ Rogers
Ft Worth TX
[email protected]

[Firestarter]

Thank you Russ!.
the guy lost everything..... and the boat had been changed enough that it would not fit in an allison mold.

Rules are rules!.

RT

[1BadAction]

base price of a RR is $13,590 right here in good ole ft. lauderdale FL but you jackasses are so blind you dont realize it...

[BarryStrawn]

Originally posted by Firewalker

Rules are rules!.


Which rules? Allison designs are patented. STV isn't.

[Firestarter]

Yes they are

[rmh77]

And what do you get for your 13,590?:confused:

[BarryStrawn]

Really. By whom? Certainly not Roark Summerford.

[rmh77]

Yea and they will do 120 or better with a simple ECU change :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TUG]

Originally posted by 1BadStream
base price of a RR is $13,590 right here in good ole ft. lauderdale FL but you jackasses are so blind you dont realize it...

Base price meaning no trailor, no guages, no steering nononononono NODA! A shell !! Cuching Cuching what a bargain:rolleyes:

[rmh77]

Im pretty sure you can pick up a lighting STV rigged with a trailer for that price!:eek: ;) :D

[TUG]

[.

Hmmmmmm. Good thing Wally is too busy innovating, designing & building the highest quality boats in the country.

Russ Rogers
Ft Worth TX
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River Rockets....Like i said nothings changed but the price!
:rolleyes:

[TUG]

Originally posted by rmh77
Im pretty sure you can pick up a lighting STV rigged with a trailer for that price!:eek: ;) :D

I'm workin on it as we speek;) :p

[1BadAction]

Actually, checking my quote right now, that is including 15" transom, composite bottom, rear race cowl (so you have a 3 seater AND a 1 seater), dual cable no-feed back steering, 3 seats, and 3 color Gel with matching interior...

you guys are buying the splashers (not just lpb, but all of them) lies hook line and sinker.

[rmh77]

What the f--k are you talking about lies?!:confused: :confused:

[Skittles]

Listen to 1badstream Rmh, he's got a ton of experience with all these boats. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[1BadAction]

Originally posted by rmh77
What the f--k are you talking about lies?!:confused: :confused:

like the lie that a splash is alot cheaper than the real thing... You can save $2000 buying a fake. is it worth it? no... especially when you try to resale it.

[1BadAction]

Originally posted by Skittles
Listen to 1badstream Rmh, he's got a ton of experience with all these boats. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


whatever

[rmh77]

well whats a fully rigged river rocket with trailer no motor cost?

[TUG]

I talked to John thrue e-mail the other day about this and he quoted me a price on one ,all composite, 500lbs with interior and trailor and it was a lil better than the prices his wbesite lists but still a lil much for me when you compare good o'l Jacks at FTP prices!! ;) He did however beat the originals prices like a drum Boom Boom ... Boom Boom Boom:D :)

[rmh77]

Well bang for the buck and in my opinion a better boat the FULL THROTTLE is the way to go!;)

[TUG]

Jack needs to pull a plug on the FTV then things might get right!! Hey is splashing a splash legal??? Whatchu think RT, a splash of a splash? Look it up in your law library;)