We Need To Help Wingnut BAD

[Bulletboy]

Scott and I went out early this morning made some awsome runs then we went in to do some tuning and noticed Scotts grearcase had a crack along the top of the bullet so now he needs a new one. Well he works his a$$ off just to go out and run his boat. Scotts a great guy(kid) and is trying to save money for college he works two jobs and just doesn't have the funds for this. I for one am glad that it happenedthe way it did because he has been pushing that inline case beyond it's limit and it just wasn't safe. He ran 94 and change today which is pretty darn good considering he is in nothing more than a 14ft bathtub ( sorry Scott) well he needs a case so lets see what we can come up with for as little as possible and get him back on the water. He needs a small xr4 ,xr6 or better yet a sporty 1:78. I know Scott is gonna be mad me for this post but thats to bad if I could afford it I would buy the case myself but right now I can't, but I can donate some towards the cause. LETS GET THIS KID A GEARCASE.

Any Ideas PM me or give me a call

Ray 1-518-848-6474

[Liqui-Fly]

Blaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[1BadAction]

**** happens, those inline cases are junk for a surfacing application... He needs to get Either a regular case with a bobs, OR a Speed master.

IF he has no other options, i have a early 200 Case with drilled LWP, he would need to find the guts and make a cone, but its better than nothing.

[Trikki1010]

Let me check w/ my friend Charlie the Tuna, he just might have an XR-6 from a boat that Sea-Tow brought in to their yard. Boat is DONE, but I don't think the lower got damaged.

Scottie got that shortie short shaft, so there's have to be some work to it anyway.

[Instigator]

BulletBoy!
Scott is in deed a hell of a kid and I would/will help how ever I can but all my junk is white.
94 though?? Yowser Scott, thats haulin ass buddy!
Keep us posted Ray.
Gary

[jerry]

Liqui-Fly

wadda dick

[Chummy]

Ya know its great to see that the younger gen. enjoy the sport as much as the legends of the sport and that will no doubt keep the sport alive. Skids, another member on here is working hard also to be able afford and enjoy this sport at 16 yrs old. Liqui-fly your start something everytime you post, is your life that bad that you have to try and make everyone elses as bad as yours. If you can't think of something that is positive to say KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

[PhastBoat]

is very good friends with Scott (wingnut)
He's just kidding with him.

[wing nut]

Originally posted by Trikki1010
Let me check w/ my friend Charlie the Tuna, he just might have an XR-6 from a boat that Sea-Tow brought in to their yard. Boat is DONE, but I don't think the lower got damaged.

Scottie got that shortie short shaft, so there's have to be some work to it anyway.


i told ray not to make a post about this but o well..

anyway trikki let me know on that case... i need one so i can go to the rumble and kick ass in my bathtub:)

and like sam said im good friends with slow-no-fly and hes probably just mad that im so much faster then him with stuff we practicly pulled from the trash:) hahaha

scott

[Liqui-Fly]

Ya can't fix dumb hahahahahahahahahahaha

Perhaps if YOU don't have anything positive to say then maybe YOU should KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT

[Chummy]

LIQUI-FLY, I STAND CORRECTED & AM SORRY THAT I JUMPED THE GUN ON THAT.

[Liqui-Fly]

I appreciate the response. I'm a ball busting a-hole...not just an a-hole:)

[delawarerick]

My turn see Scott had you stuck with the white motors:D you would not have these problems. Rick
(just kidding)Scott call Dave or email me what you need and let me check

[wing nut]

i emailed you rick.

trikki call me if you hear anything about that xr6 motor/gearcase!

home 516-221-7772
cell 724-0501

[mr.clean]

making another positive contribution :p

[quickonstep]

just a thought, could you weld the case? any reputable welder could take care of it and get it back to new..

Just a thought.


Jesse

[A-craftdrvr]

I know a guy who had a brand new gear case for a XR6 3-4 months ago. I'll check with him this evening and see if he still has it and what he wants for it. I had a Bob's machine on my 2.4 that I sold and he blew up I'll see if he still has it and what he's going to do with it.

[eautosales]

its probably not the smartest idea to weld a case on a 100 mph bath tub

[quickonstep]

why? welding somthing is just as strong as the original metal, if its done right.. so why wouldnt it be the smartest idea?

Jesse

[eautosales]

It's that simple. No matter how good the welder is, you cannot change the fast that welding will change the properties of the surrounding metal. You must replace the case.


dont forget this is an 18 or 19 year old kid driving a 14 foot boat & he is knocking on the door of triple digits.

i think if wing nut found a case he wanted & all of his "friends" on scream & fly chipped in 5 or ten dollars this talented kid would get what his boat needs & he would be safer in the long run

set up a paypal account ill throw in the 1st 20 bucks into the get nut a gear case fund:D

[Bulletboy]

Scotts case is not gonna be welded it's a weak inline case designed to go 40 mph it is busted at the top of the bullet and never could be made right. Scott is flying and I want to see him around for a long time to come. Welding any High performance case is not SMART and thats that!! I would like to find him a sporty if at all possible he's in a rush but good things come to those who wait. In a boat setup like Scotts everything should be done right he is really flying and looking good doing it, the inline case gave him some good seat time now he needs to make it as safe as he can.

[Bulletboy]

I'll glady chip in :)

[Scream And Fly]

Jesse,

Welding the case will weaken the surrounding metal and alter its molecular composition. It's never safe to operate a high performance boat with a welded lower unit.

Greg:)

[eautosales]

now lets find him a case & set up a paypal fund:)

[eautosales]

BUMP

[RONNIE]

Weldings no good? Guess I need to throw every peice of my motor in the trash including my gear cases. hows was riding in a 107 mph welded skeg And cavitation plate greg? Yeah I'mgoing to fix scotts too!

[Trikki1010]

See Greg, Ronnie knows about penetration;)

[Bulletboy]

I would hope you agree scott needs a different case that inline was not the case to use in the first place and you know it, he got off lucky this time what about next time maybe not so lucky HELP keep him safe. I'm not looking for an argument nor am I doubting your abilitys you build stuff that runs without a doubt and you make do with whatever you can get your hands on thats fine but scotts a 18 year old kid lets keep him safe! Now lets find him a sporty in good shape parts and pieces it can be done

[wing nut]

im scrounging for xr6 parts rite now.. if they can use them wtih 300hp drag motors my little 150 on a rowboat should be good enough till i save up for a good sportmaster.

i need xr6 parts, case.. etc. rather would have a 1.87 or lower ratio but what ever i can get ill use rite now.

scott

[RONNIE]

Dam Ive fixed more sportmasters than anything else skegs brake off, cracks thew the carrier, ( just like scotts) ( worse than scotts) Cavitation plates falling off you name it and ive put them back together. Who do yyou guys think planed out and built all the **** on scotts boat anyway. Do you think the 18 year old kid did it all b himself. ****! The dam thing would still be layying in his mom and dads drive way with the bottom all busted. if he listeened to all the bad advice thrown around on here from all kinds of jack asses the dam thing would still be a peice of **** like whn he got it.



hey scot give mee the freaking thing and I'll run it all over the bay on my boat while you try to find some other junk! I'll pick up 4-5 mph more just by putting it on!!!



By the wa the xr6 or xr4 is an iline case with a v6 top on it. Why do you think its so small in diamiter

[Bulletboy]

I know your the brains behind scotts boat and I never said anything bad about you or your work your stuff flys without a doubt. Point is he needs a stronger case like it or not and you know it. I'm no beginner and like I said before I'm not looking for an agrument but whats right is right

[eautosales]

nobody is doubting your ability all i see is people as a community offering a helping hand on finding him the case he said he was
looking for.
Scott is very lucky to have you as a friend a helper & mentor my hat is off to you

[stvhelm]

look at the inline case 80hp case phil conant has for sale 400 new never run

[RONNIE]

helper hummm

[eautosales]

i cant win your reading into things to deep does crew chief sound better than helper? :D

[Fish]

did you set up a paypal account yet? I am sure there are a people who would chip in if you had one; me included. Good luck,

Fish

[Bulletboy]

As soon as I figure out how

[Bulletboy]

who do you want the paypal accounts name in?

[Chummy]

BULLETBOY, CHECK YOUR MAIL & SEE IF GREG CAN DO IT.

[B.Leonard]

Friends don't let friends drive Vixens over 90mph. Some friends you guys are :rolleyes:

He's already breakin stuff, now might be a good time for him to realize (or a friend to tell him) that he's pushed that hull hard enough and any further he's just going to end up walking around with no teeth, dead or worse, in a wheel chair permanently or at the very least end up trashing a good hull.

I'm all for going fast but if you want to do it, get a hull that was designed for it, then have it. Light weight will gain you little on top end (unlike drags). But a hull designed to do it will gain you a lot and your brown-eye won't be so puckered you might even enjoy it :D

I remember when I had a 140 V4 on a 16' johnboat or when I was pushing my Lund past 70mph. I had the sense to stop there. There were a few good friends who told me to move onto a better hull and looking back, I'm damn glad I did because now I have a boat where I can enjoy going 80-90mph just cruising.

I say just put the 70 back on and save your money and stop playing Russian Roulette, you broke 90 and that's FAST relatively speaking for that hull. You've been there and done that, now get a hull like stvhelm's and do it right.

-BL

[wing nut]

i feel safer in this boat at 90 then ive felt in other boats at 70mph. if you have never seen it run (other then the video which is a bad example) or seen me drive it you dont understand. me and ray were doing 90+ for about 10miles cruising 15ft away from each other.. no chine walking or anything at that speed.

the reason the case broke is b/c its an inline 6 case.. OLD JUNK:) its only a crack in the case and it didnt explode.

also tell every1 else on the board that when they break something.. even a reg. lower unit, or even a sporty that they are going to fast and should get a different boat.

i understand where you are commming from but you have never seen the boat run so its hard for you to judge whats "too fast" for this little boat with me driving it. AND with someone like ronnie making sure that everything is done rite so i dont get killed, i feel even safer b/c i know he knows his **** and WOULD NOT have done all this work on my boat if he thought it was total un-safe.

scott

[B.Leonard]

...but any boat (with enough power and setup right) will run like that under good conditions. What happens when you run into that rogue wave/roller that you didn't see? Or there's a mechanical failure ie prop, skeg, steering etc. or something in the water. That boat most likely will not recover at those speeds.

Sure there might be others doing similar things but I can't be everyones' mother ;)

-BL

[quickonstep]

scott, no offense but, it looked like you were fighting that boat the entire time in that video.. excuses aside, thats what it looks like.. yea ronnie runs his to the edge, but the difference between you and ronnie, is seat time.. hes been at this alot longer than you have..

there are alot better hulls out there to do what you want to do, the vixen is just a accident waiting to happen.. or should i say stupidity waiting to happen


Jesse

[Liqui-Fly]

Honestly man...does your boat run over 70 because if it did you would know that "rogue waves" at high speed are going to put any boat shorter than the distance between the waves way out of shape. As well as with mechanical failures ect. I'd much rather get slung from that vixen than through the side of a semi encapsulated boat.

[sho305]

You guys have to make your own judgements. Just don't forget the guys that used to race those little boats knew what they were doing, and many of them are no longer with us. Nobody here wants to see anything bad happen you know, please remember that is where people are coming from when they urge you to cool off on the relative speed in that hull.

[Scream And Fly]

All high performance boats carry with them risks. I give Scott credit for having a properly set up boat with proper safety equipment. I rode with him in that boat, and I think he does a good job handling it too. I DO think he should use a better lower unit, but think about what most of us started out with...

When we were 18, how many of us were using Lifeline vests? Most people still don't. Also, that boat is completely and properly restored. He did his homework.

I know he'll be careful, but I at least he respects the risks, which should keep him safe. His dad is really cool too :)

Greg

[mr.clean]

i'll run ronnie's "junk" any day any way any were on anything! and that "kid" has more seat time and knowledge then half of the TALKERS :rolleyes: on scream and fly. running any boat over 90mph is dangerous! oh yeah, be carefull scott :D

[B.Leonard]

Sure he did an excelent job, just saying quit while he's ahead :)

Fly - When I say "rogue wave" I'm thinkin of the half dead ski-doo wake that can't be seen until you're right on it and then all you have time to do is think OH SH*T. We've all seen it but at 80+ recovery is a matter of statistics with the two biggest variables being hull design and driver skill. Or didn't all those chem credits include a few stat courses ;) ;) ;)

-BL

[Hydrovector]

I've had it for more years than some poeple have be alive. ( 28 )
Been throw out of it twice Racing, Helmet on!!
Almost blew it over hitting a roller out on the lake one day, had to climb out on the deck to keep it from going over. (**** My pants)I'll say it I've had more seat time in a Vixen than a any body. It's a 6 to 12 boat. out on the water at 6 in the morning and off the water at noon. if your out there trying to run in the rough stuff your going to get hurt. I don't care who sets up the boat. You have to use it Wisely. were your helmet and jacket so we can keep chatting with you on the board.
And if you guys are felling so Charitable hell I was out of work for 10 months and could use a few bucks:D :D

[LakeRacer99]

I can't say wether I feel it is safe or not...but common sense tells us that 100mph in a 12-14ft vee bottom is risky. I have been interested in this project from when he bought it off the interenet. I like the little 2.0L motor, but trying to top it in the triples dosen't sound wise.
On the inline case thing...why is it so weak? What differs between that and a stock v6 or xr6 case? Wasn't there 150hp inlines that would surface a 30p 2 blade? to me that would be harder on the case than your torque v6 on a light boat.
What about the SSM that is for sale on the board now?
Scott, be safe, and it appears you have the basics, lifeline and chase boats...I guess I would add a helmet and helmet restraints if I was to try 100+ on that shingle.

[Bulletboy]

This thread is turning into a negative thing and it's not supposed to scott handles the boat very well I ran side by side with him at 90+ for over 5 miles the boat is very stable when it's flying and he handles it better than most guys can drive a 20 footer. Hell there is not one person on this site running a performance boat that can say they haven't gotten out of shape or had some close calls. Scott can drive and he's getting better every time he goes out. If I thought he was out of control I would say so! Most guys yapping on this page don't know what they are talking about(not everyone just some) If this thread keeps going negitive I will delete it so lets stick to the point and try and find a case he can use. I didn't start this thread as a debate I'm telling all of you this boat is as safe as it gets he just needs a case. That video does no justice to scotts ability or the stability of the boat. As long as scott repects this boat I think he will be okay everyone of us assume the same risks as scott when we go out and run futher more how many overpowered boats do you guys know of I can't even begin to count the ones I have seen or know of. Lets just stick to the point and try to help him out ;)

[quickonstep]

i guess then the video shouldnt have been posted, becuase thats all ALOT of us have to go on.. and to me, that doesnt look very stable at all... even in one point in the video he had the boat goin, and then it started to go nuts again.. and as for safety... running that close to shore at those speeds is safe? WHAT IF his boat decided to hang a left and boom, right into shore.. or a right as he was coming back the other way.. would the video still be posted? alot of you guys are focused on "hey lets go get this guy a case when he is perfectly able to save the money on his own" while most are saying "he cant keep it under control" when some are also saying "the boats too small for those speeds" we are not saying there is no overpowered boats around..

iono, scott (wingnut) i dunno who you are... but this is no offense to you, so dont take it as one..

another note... id weld the case and go on.. but thats just me, becuase i know i CAN weld it, and could garantee it would hold together.

Jesse

[Hydrovector]

It looks like mine when it hits a few bumps.

[blkmtrfan]

Bulletboy we will have to trust you assesment of Wingnut's ability to handle his boat, because what we all saw in the video didn't look like he had any control at all. Don't confuse negatativity with genuine concern for a fellow boaters safety. Rogue wave or not, that is a little boat with a narrow beam (appears to be part of the walking problem) and he needs to be careful (remember he is just 18 and I was invincable back then too, LOL) and as safe as possible so no one has to post a pics of his boat in peices.


BTW I see no reason an inline lower shouldn't work with a 150 and such a light boat, in fact I think it is better suited for his application than a larger case, just my .02

[Raceman]

If I was running that boat (I wouldn't under any circumstances) I'd have a speedmaster on it for several reasons. Handling, lack of steering torque, no possibility of blowout, almost no chance of losing a skeg, etc. There are old SSM's around for cheap if you keep looking, certainly MUCH less than the value of a CLE trade as the one that's advertised.

[wing nut]

ok im going to TRY to keep this as short as possible while still getting my point across....

#1 B.L. how can you even begin to compare my boat to a john boat? NO comparison at all!

to adress a few other points about the waves. iver crossed some small boat wakes dead on at over 80mph.. just trim down alilttle and the boat just skips over them. ANY boat can be tossed by a rogue wave, ANY boat can have failures etc. if im going 90mph and lift off the gas compleatly the boat just sits back in the water and slows down.. no hooks or anything like that.

i hope you guys dont think im retarted and try to FLY the boat when its nasty out?? i know its a small boat and i know mine and the boats limits.. when its nasty out go slow.. when its flat.. make sure your clear and no waves. and nail it:)

also how many of you guys wear your lifline vest and helmet everytime you go out? EVERYTIME i step foot in my boat i have the vest and leg straps on. i will have a helmet once i get the boat going for 100mph, and restraints.


i tryed telling you guys a 100000 times that i wish that video was not posted. theres a "nasty" spot in the boat rite in the transition from neg. to neutral trim where its crazy like in the video.. since then ive figured out how to avoid that spot and the boat is VERY STABLE. it looks like the end of the first pass in the video (when its just flying).

i also love how every1 knows how dangerous and out of control my boat is that HAVE NEVER SEEN IT RUN! if you notice that EVERY PERSON that has seen me in the boat has nothing but good things to say. sure the boat gets out of hand sometimes but al you need to do is trim down.. let off the gas then stab it quick and it recovers.

im not RACING my boat in circle races so when its rough i slow down insted of trying to "beat" the other guy.

hydrovector: i know you have alot of experience with the vixen BUT you have NO jackplate and NO trim.. basicly you dont know how the boat handles with different setups. you are rite in the reason that it is a morn. or night boat. i go out either around 7-10am or from 6pm and on. ill go out on the weekends every once and a while but i never go over 45-50ish to keep it safe.

i think that answers almost all the questions..

o yea one more thing.. quickonstep: how can you even begin to tell me whats bad and good, safe and not.. i remember just a few months ago you just bought your boat, and motor. yet you seem to know that my boat is very dangerous and out of control? bring your boat here any time (after i get a lower unit) and i bet you $100 my boat is more stable then yours in good conditions at speeds over 90mph. if your boat will even go that fast.

scott

[PhastBoat]

Well Said......
Just dont run that inline. Get something more stout.

[B.Leonard]

I think you missed the point. I wasn't comparing your boat to a johnboat :rolleyes:

Just play it safe, you do have some guys up there that know what they're doing, just don't over do it. :)

-BL

[Project Contender]

I saw a CLE for 750, are you saying a ssm isn't worth that?

[Bulletboy]

:D

[wing nut]

i love the idea of a ssm.. BUT props are super expencive, and theres no neutral or reverse..

if anyone knows where i can get some props to try and a price on how much the water pump stuff would be im REALLY interested:)

scott

[quickonstep]

ttt cuz im bored

[wing nut]

...

[Project Contender]

The Driveshaft is for a champ mid... I believe. that's the way I got it.

Props are not super expensive. they go on ebay about once a month for $120. One went last week. think it was a 9x16 right hander.
If you're in a hurry call Merten Marine, WI. He has the stuff. Or Steckbauer.
There's ssms everywhere. and if you have 10 sitting around collecting dust, another isn't worth much...

[Bulletboy]

You want to start name calling I'll delete the thread scott said nothing out of line to you to cause you to call names keep it to yourself don't be a dick please

[quickonstep]

look man, all im saying is that there is better hulls out there to do what you want to do.. thats it, the difference between ronnies boat goin all over the place and yours is simply seat time, somthing you lack, as you said 60 mph is a different sport than 90..

you cant email greg and say hey man, take that video down, its giving people the wrong idea... is it that hard?

ronnies boat, BY THE VIDEO shows it a little hairy.. same as yours, but you and ronnie differ by seat time.. plain and simple..

im not tryin to make enemy's but dood, **** happens, get the case welded or save for another one, and tell bullet boy to stop trying to play unicef.. hell i need new stuff, but i dont come on here askin for it.. see what i mean?

if those 2 posts were gone, there would proably be alot of differnent thoughts to some people.. hell iono, i dunno nothin :p

Jesse

btw, ima delete that other post, i was a bit outta line.

[wing nut]

quickonstep i know there are other hulls that are "safer" but this is what i can afford rite now and honestly if i felt it was "Unsafe" i would not be trying to go faster.. i would just put my 70hp back on and say "it was a good try but the boat just wouldnt handle it". i deleated my reply to your other post :)

project contender,

give me a call 516-724-0501 up untill 12am tonight.. im interested to hear more about these cases as i know near nothing about them.


scott

[Bulletboy]

I asked you not to be a DICK and like scott I started this to help him out seems like your the only one with a problem with this thread you don't give up why don't you just stop reading this thread

[1BadAction]

jesse, a viper and a v6 is dangerous but it is manageable. You cant really compare the vixen to the viper, the viper was designed for a 350 Lb v4 or I6, the vixen was designed for a 200 Lb inline 3... the viper has a ****load more width and height, its just designed for more motor.

Scott, dude, be happy with the speed you are running with that hull and leave it at that. arent you happy to have the fastest vixen ever? Regardless If you say that the hull handles good, or whatever, face the fact that you have 4X the rated power on that, and more than twice the rated weight. Running that combo, it is not a question of IF it will come apart, but WHEN it will come apart. Sorry, not trying to be a dick here, but with that weight, the BOAT WILL COME APART, AND YOU WILL GET HURT.

I agree with BL... THERE I SAID IT, you happy now bl? :p

[Bulletboy]

Scotty

[wing nut]

my boat was rated for a 85hp motor.. which is what an I4 or a v4 rite? how much do those weigh? (i really dont know)

it was rated for that HP with two 2" tall stringers. when me and my dad rebuilt the boat we put in 4, 4+" stringers, with transom knees and a full floor to tie it all together, along with supports on the side of the hull, and a new transom. we built the boat for a v6 even though we never thought it would have one on it.

as i said before you need to see the boat to understand and the video really shows the boat as being out of control.

scott

[Hydrovector]

Sorry there little guy!!
but I don't need no jack plate or trim. It's run that way since day one. and sorry I know every thing the little boat will do. a lot of time was spent years ago before you were born on set up.
if i wan't to go faster I just get the Euro out!! i know the limits of the Vixen. that's all i'm saying stay safe and have a good life.
I'm off this thread!!!!!!!

[wing nut]

i know you have had alot of seat time and setup on the vixen but i think im just taking it to the next leve.

once i feel the boat is not safe i will not run it fast anymore. i dont take the boat out in bad winds or on rough days b/c i know the boat will not handle it.

believe me if i had 20,000 laying around i would have an STV. but for now the vixen is pretty stable.

this is pretty much un charted territory for a vixen so i dont understand how all these guys know how the boat is? (other then hydrovector)

i dont mean to sound like a dick sometimes when i reply and i know some of the people know there stuff but it pisses me off when people who havent seen the boat say its out of control etc. etc

scott

[Bulletboy]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wing nut]

here i thought this thred was going back to a normal level and here comes good ol' phastboat.. man you crack me up!


scott

[delawarerick]

Have any of you guys that have negatives about Scott and his boat ever seen him and the boat? And BL I know someone who crossed the race course that couldnt do 90. Not shunning you but were you always so cautious at the age of 18. The young man is sober and I venture to say his reflexes are better than you old farts. Rick

[Bulletboy]

Quickenstep, If you all look at the original post no one asked for anything for free they were suggestions from others so as for The Unicef crap you can stuff it and if you like to pick a fight with me I'm all for it but not on this thread

[mr.clean]

50 mph :eek: :eek: :eek: don't say another word!!! this man (wingnut) is the chuck yeager of vixens :cool: it's not some boat he picked up and just threw a big motor on it. hours of time and thought went into that boat ahhhhhhhhh i'm tired of typing!

[PhastBoat]

:D http://www.victoryseeds.com/dunton/images/chickens.jpg

[PhastBoat]

http://www.guatemalamedmission.com/images/DEC_JAN_FEB/Sucker.JPG

[rmh77]

Any crazy bastard whos runs a 14ft boat in the 90's isnt all there but hey if you can stick and make it fly more power too you! Imagine what you could do with an allison with a 280!:D

[1BadAction]

Originally posted by wing nut
my boat was rated for a 85hp motor.. which is what an I4 or a v4 rite? how much do those weigh? (i really dont know)

it was rated for that HP with two 2" tall stringers. when me and my dad rebuilt the boat we put in 4, 4+" stringers, with transom knees and a full floor to tie it all together, along with supports on the side of the hull, and a new transom. we built the boat for a v6 even though we never thought it would have one on it.

as i said before you need to see the boat to understand and the video really shows the boat as being out of control.

scott

Aight man, if you feel safe in it thats all that really matters...

Don't get hurt.


Jim

[sho305]

In the manual to my big old 1983 85hp triple force, it says 275lbs with trim and tilt. However I once ran a Johnny V4 85hp that I am guessing weighed more(?) if that was available when it was made.

[Bulletboy]

For supporting scott atleast now I know there are still some good people out there


Way to funny Sam & Billy :D :D :D

[wing nut]

Originally posted by sho305
In the manual to my big old 1983 85hp triple force, it says 275lbs with trim and tilt. However I once ran a Johnny V4 85hp that I am guessing weighed more(?) if that was available when it was made.

ok cool so my v6 with a champ midsection (60lbs on the scale) and even with a reg. lower unit is probably at most 325lbs.

thats 50lbs more then the boat is rated for (weight wize). i have also carried my father (185ish) with no trouble at all.. we only went up to around 70 though b/c he doesnt have a lifeline yet.

scott

[rmh77]

Will that hull float a 300x?:rolleyes: :D I think you guys need to stop foolin around and just put all the power to it!:D

[1BadAction]

scott, is the champ mid the reason why that motor is so lightweight? inquiring minds want to know :D

[wing nut]

Originally posted by 1BadStream
scott, is the champ mid the reason why that motor is so lightweight? inquiring minds want to know :D

the powerhead is pretty heavy b/c its a 2.0L with the thick sleeves but the midsection with the trim is 61lbs total weight. the trim alone on the reg. midsections are almost 70+lbs. then add the can, and the 2 adapter plates (or a one piece). as compared to the 1/4" plate and tuner on the champ mid. its VERY light.

scott

[half fast]

Hey Wingnut ,We have ALL been in your shoes with a cool boat that is broken at a bad time of the year.I did look to see if I had some XR6 parts and I do not,sorry.Keep your head up and save the money and get yo lower fixed the way you want to.Hell take a back seat with a friend and be pateint in the repair,rushing a job has only cuased me grief in the long run.Do it right the first time.If we were closer I would bolt a # 4 ssm on that thing for a pass and sit back and enjoy the show. hf...

[wing nut]

if i wasnt working 2 jobs and 7days a week i would come down to GA just to try it:)

im thinking of buying that ssm from project contendor actually... is there any advice/tips i should know? it seems that you and raceman have some experience with these things..give me a ring or email me if you have any ideas. 516-724-0501 or [email protected] i really dont want to give up neutral and reverse but if project contender has a reasonable price (seems like it) and that lower unit is good i think i can make an exception:)

thanks for those of you who are offering helpful sugestions:)

scott

[transomstand]

Just a thought. I read awhile back on another thread that speedmasters are very high maintenance. That seemed a reasonable statement judging by it's size. Someone stated a figure of 10-12 hrs between overhaul. If that is true, it would be a major consideration. I HATE anything that causes more down time. Maybe some of the guys who have used them(I never have) could comment on this.

Pete

[wing nut]

i coould handle changing the oil every run or every other run but tearing it down every 15hrs? damn i hope not.

scott

[B.Mac]

Very well done.....
blistering fast setup......excellent driving skills.
Now please listen to wisdom and start looking for a more stable hull at 80+ It's not a matter of your skill (excellent) or the setup (incredible) ....it's a matter of caculated risk compared to the benefits. Right now, with that hull, the associated risk is far too great and I really do not want to be reading the heartwrenching thread that's inevitably coming down the pike......

I remember being 18 and I had no concept whatsoever of mortality......I'm really surprised at some of the "more mature" fella's hostility directed toward genuine concern for your well-being.......glad to hear you're wearing your saftey gear and are prepared for the worst.

Enjoy yourself and please be safe.
Most Respectfully,
B.MAC:D

Flame retardant suit zipped up :p

[yachter55]

wow you guys are really getting in to this .as an old off shore guy , all I can add is if your ready to pay the ultimate price be sure to buy the best, and go over a thorough inspection of everything. I have seen more races lost, and injuries to the guy that said it will make one more run. now about that 70 hp you said you had. I could put it on the back of my inflatable . I am looking for a 70 -90 hp.maybe its the cash you need,to get you back on the water.tell me more about it. and for those of you that want to beat me up for placing an oversized motor on an inflatable. I too have a lot of seat time. Im in a club that cruises at least 100 mi a month.

[wing nut]

im not selling the 70hp yet. that may end up on another little boat:) thanks for the offer though.

scott

[nelsoncat]

Scott,
If you want to talk to someone who knows speedmasters you might call the Waupaca NAPA store and ask for Bob. He owns the store but was a mechanic for Merc racing in the last years of the inlines and told me he did all the lower unit setup and still has all the special tools and nohow. Just a thought. If you want e mail me first and I'll talk to him. I would like to learn more about them myself.

Craig

Oh yea the phone number is 715 258 2110

[mr.clean]

I remember being 18 and I had no concept whatsoever of mortality...... :confused: :confused: :confused: what the hell does that have to do with scott???

[B.Mac]

No disrespect toward Scott, Clean.......
Just most guys under 21, including myself as a young man, have an unhealthy penchant toward outrageous risk-taking without a full appreciation for the potential consequences.
I've known alot of guys that never made it to 25 :(
I think this kid's bright and talented and would do well to move to a hull that is reasonably safe at speeds approaching triple digits.
Now quit it or I'll start preaching to ya again:eek: :p
B.MAC:D

[Project Contender]

I ran 1 ssm, under a 3 banger merc. it was a single pinion and performed quite well. Now that was on a 600# hydro with me in it. and races that lasted 5 minutes. maybe 8 heats a month. went 2 years with no problems at all. I've heard oil is an issue. But, mine (which I made tools for and rebuilt myself) never leaked water in. So, that was the good part. The bad part. When I got it it was trash, and that was before the internet and it took a good while to get the knowledge and parts together. I can't imagine that a twin pinion built for an inline 6 would hold up well under a V-6 being run 3 times a week for hours at a time. Sounds like alot of downtime and $1000 bucks a year to keep it .... and more if you get one the experts to fix it.
If I were you, I would be watching ebay. I've seen V-6 units complete go for as little as $200 with a 25" shaft. As I remember there was a real good article here on S&F about different gearfeet. and a standard unit with a BOB's cone seem to have taken the day.....

[nelsoncat]

It seems to me that he said they had to use whale oil in SSM's
or something wierd like that!!!!!!

Craig

[Project Contender]

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[Project Contender]

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[wing nut]

im really looking for an XR6 lower unit or im kind of concidering a speed master but they seem to be out of my price range (the really nice ones).

if i have to ill get a standard case but i'd rather not.

scott

[wing nut]

when i get an xr6 ill drop you an email or PM.

thanks,
scott

[heath brinkley]

Why does everybody want to tell Scott not to run his boat, get a different boat, put a 3 cyl OMC on it, ect. Who's business is it anyway. Isn't it what he wants that matters. It's his boat and his life, his decision. Nobody tells you not to do whatever makes you happy, regargless of how safe or dangerous it is. Maybe Scott at 18 can handle a boat better than me, who has more experience, maybe not, what's the difference and who cares. Why was it OK for all of us to live and have fun pushing the limits when we were 18, but it's not OK for him to do the same. If Scott didn't feel safe in this boat I recall a Vector sitting right next to it in a previous picture thay he owns. Let him decide what's fun for him. Besides, most of us have a different boat from Scott, but NOT for SAFETY reasons. Most of us have a different boat because it's FASTER, so how hypocritical is that, to preach at Scott to slow down. personally, I think Scott should get a different boat as well. But again, not for safety, but for more speed. Let the kid enjoy living.

[sho305]

Heath, I don't want a debate for sure but I agree you are mostly correct. I did have lots of people tell me not to do stuff when I was younger, and had a few friends that got hurt badly as well....doing what I was told not to. I did plenty anyway I think, but I can't trash the people that told me not to do X. I know they were looking out for me. My friend has a bum leg he will live with for an average 50 years or so, that is a lot of sucky days. Being busy with other stuff right now, I sure am glad I don't have one.

[Sharkey-Images]

I know from personal experience where you're coming from and know exactly how it feels when it comes to a boat you put your heart into.

I was 22 yrs old when I built my 1st Bullet 130.

I broke myself in with a 2 cyl. 55hp Mariner to get a feel for the boat. The following year came an inline 4 cyl 75 hp Mariner.

Eventually I built a 225 pound boat and put a 100 hp Evinrude on it.
I put those boats in every position possible except on the deck.
Maybe I have just been lucky, or it came from experience when I got in trouble how to get out of it. Either way, the boat always came back right side up.

Unlike your situation, I never waited for calm water. The Bullet was built for the rough, so nothing kept me back from taking it out.
I would just drive it according to the conditions and never over my head. Well............(OK, so the wave heights may have been over my head.....) :D :D :D

But as I stood on Sandy Hook beach the other day, it brought back the memories of running the Bullet 130 from Manasquan Inlet to NY Harbor for 4th of July in 1986, along with the Poker Runs on the Hudson in recent years, I now ask myself, "What the hell was I thinking?"
It was the simple fact that I knew the boat would never let me down.
I put that much trust into it.

And from what I have read here, you have the same thing.
Alot of trust in the Vixen.
I wish you well and safe boating.
One day you too will look back at these years and say, "What the hell was I thinking?" ;)

P.S.
I have a gear case on my website for sale. I don't know if it will work for your set up, but take a look:
Classifieds Link (http://pages.zdnet.com/sharkeymarine/id50.html)

[trbocharge]

Wingnut,

When I read this post it makes me laugh. Dont let the negativity get to you. Those people will never get it. You know the dangers here. You wear safety gear. Hell, even a helmet restraint......I bet 95 percent of the clowns on this board have never seen a restraint let alone ever using one. I think your ride is outstanding and deserves huge credit. Consider installing a nydal steering system, it will give you much more control (I am sure you have thought of that already).

To all others, especially those in the negative, pay close attention to this kid. This is what we call the birth of a racer. Those that say the boat gets out of control here and there, well einsteins, let me quote John "Brute" Force NHRA Funny Car Pilot. "Controlling a heap out of Control. That is what we call racing!!"

This stuff aint for everyone.....

Ding Hoa nut!!

[heath brinkley]

John Force also told a story of his first Altered car he owned. He was running it on the street, got out of control, and wadded it up. Went and got a trailer to put it on before the cops showed, and told them it fell off the trailer.:D

wonder how many people told him not to do what he was doing, and that it was gonna kill him, and that he was crazy, and his **** would never work, ect.

[heath brinkley]

It just dawned on me though, Scott has...

1 Vixen.....mint
1 Vector.....ok
1 2.0 litre EFI powerhead (equivelent of a champ motor)....mint
1 champ mid section.....mint
1 inline lower....cracked
1 3 cyl. OMC powerhead......mint
1 custom made shorty mid with lower unit for OMC....mint
4 additional truckloads of OMC parts.....various conditions

and he needs our help bad...;) :D :D

can't wait to see what collection of parts he has after collage.:cool:

[Sharkey-Images]

Oh yeah,

Once I bought my Lifeline jacket and racing helmut, I never left without them...

[JWTjr.]

Wing nut, turbocharge is right. Keep at it. You've already done more with that boat than most will ever do with theirs. It looks like you have some great people working with you as well. Your Vixen is extremely impressive. The fastest one I've ever seen is one we rigged at HydroStream with a 650XS; it went about 80 down the straightaways, and despite acceleration problems due to our hasty setup, was very competitive with local-class VP-75 and EP boats. I never thought I'd see a V6 on one. Again, extremely impressive.

Trbocharge is also right about changing from your push-pull cable steering to a string (racing cable/pulley) system. Although the system you have now looks unique and I'm sure it works well, you will not believe the improvement when you change to cable/pulley. Boat control, your feel for what's happening, and ability to react to changing conditions will improve dramatically.

That should be your next investment.

Other than that, it looks like you're on the right track. Keep it deck-side up and have fun!

JWTjr.

[Sharkey-Images]

I ran the Nydal Cable Steering as well. People told me to run it with feed back to the boat. "Indirect steering" I didn't listen....:D

I went with Direct Steering right to the wing plates. 2x faster steering response and no chine walk because I only needed to move the wheel maybe a 1/2 inch to counter steer....:cool:

I back that up too. Go with cable & drum steering.;)

[C/E]

Did Wingnut ever get a LU? If not, check the E_BAY section of our forums. There is a Sportmaster listed on E-Bay right now.