OLD OMC what is this motor

[stan]

Hello
I just got an old OMC product to rebuild actually it runs
great but I don't have a clue what year it is or what RPM
it is cable of running. .She is 60 hp 4 cyclinder Viking akin to a Dale
anyone got any URL on these engines? what year is it close to?

stan2@ilos.net

Stan

[Raceman]

I don't recall the Vikings, but it looks like a Gale, the third brand name of OMC, now long gone. I remember a bunch of Gales were called Buccaneers and there were some twins around here around 30 or 35 horsepower, but I don't recall ever seeing a V4. The 60 horsepower rating throws me a little bit of a curve too, but from the color on the mid and lower and the shape of the gearcase I'm gonna guess it's a 1960 model. The biggest OMC's in 58 and 59 were 50's and the gearcases split in the midlle with screws underneath the torpedo to seperate it. The 60 model engine was the first to come with the sleaker gearcase and if I remember right it's the only year the lower was white.

I can't remember how hard the old OMC's would turn, but it's saft to say they weren't screamers. If you're gonna build it for nostalgia purposes it'll be a neat and unusual piece, but from a functional standpoint they're heavy, down on power by comparison of most anything else in the weight range and will burn so much gas you'll be thinkin' you've got a leak.

Maybe Sam Cullis will see this. He can probably say for sure on the year and RPM range.

[delawarerick]

Raceman good to see you back. I remember the bucaneers they were not the fastest. Is it electric shift or manual. It almost looks like a lark model but they were 2 cyclinders. The gearcases are a dog if they leak and can rarely be resealed. Finally stuffed one with rtv and threw it back together it lasted a month and was leaking again. Rick

[H2OPERF]

I think it is a gale, viking is the model .They had names like evinrude had the sportwins fastwin lark etc.Dave

[E-tec1]

Looks like '59 50hp brackets but has the 75 hp gearcase and pans. it was probably derated not to compete with the parent brand. my guess is 60 or 61

[Raceman]

It's definately mechanical shift and the mechanism and gearcase is 1960 style. I can't remember exactly when they changed to electric but I think it was whenever they first did the Golden Meteor logo.

[RRRevinrude]

norris --you got through that without any kind of omc slam at all...........i was expecting something like "looks like a 2005 e-tech model to me" or ????....did they up your medication???are you doing yoga??whats your secret???:D :D ..........greg

[Riverman]

The Viking name actually came from the T. Eaton Company, known to Canadians as the now-defunct Eaton's department store. Viking motors were their brand name for all of their power equipment.

I think I still have a 12 hp Viking store at my dad's.

[Raceman]

No Revs, I NEVER slam the old OMC's, just the new ones:D

Don't you remember................. I've got a 58 model fat 50, a 60 model V75, two X115's (just got the second one 2 weeks ago) and the F1 V8.

I'd really rather pick on somethin' other than OMC's, but there ain't enough Yamahaha and Stuckzuki guys around here to make it any fun.;)

[Markus]

Norris, how is the F1 V8 coming along?

[Raceman]

Markus, I haven't gotten back to it. The problem with having about 3 dozen projects goin'.............. cars, boats and motors, and bikes is that when a minor problem comes up with one of 'em, it's too easy to move on to something without a hurdle. Right now I'm up to my ears in car stuff, but Greg said if I quit postin' here agin' he's gonna ban me.:eek: I'm at the orderin' parts stage for several new car projects and openin' boxes is a lot more fun than workin' on anything when you're as lazy as I am.

[Scream And Fly]

I love those classic outboards. I would love to restore one for a project (if I ever get the time). Look, it even has a Speedmaster :D

As for Raceman's projects, I'm waitin' for some photos, and I KNOW it will be worth the wait!

Greg:)

[stan]

Raceman you got me hunting about, found good site on old
omc here http://mitglied.lycos.de/old_omc/ Germany I think,
The gentleman their Gerhard talks about names called neptune and others.

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Discovered it turns at 4500 rpm, or as fast as you can pull the pull starter, had fun cleaning it up
inside looks as good as outside. The unit is 60 hp sold by our old defunct Eatons of Canada, it was an 85 hp in Evenrude built in 1960. Should be able to water test it in a few weeks. Looks much better in bright white.

[stan]

What you can do with paint and few hours of fun

[stan]

Total cost to repair this unit was
paint $15.00 sand papers $5 c clip for lower unit $17.00 one gasket $4.00 and a new key switch and solinoid with the only outstanding larger cost welding to the Gear casing for $30.00

Not bad for a 44 year power plant

[staylor]

My listing shows 60 Hp Gale in 1960-1963, using the 70.7 cid block from the 50-65 hp early Fat Fours. As far as I remember, when Gales were sold up North they were sold as Vikings thru a private branding arrangement with Eatons. I also show the Fat Four as a 60 hp from Evinrude in 1964-1967, and I suspect a similar Johnson was available. If it's a Gale with a label change the Model number should be something like "60D11B", Evinrude model would be like "60432". I would also suggest that this might be a motor built in the old OMC Peterborough, Ontario plant, since the number of Vikings I've seen gets higher and higher as you get closer to Peterborough.

[baddjonny]

It was white and black with gold trim had it on a G3 and it did have the old 50 hp style clamp brackets with the mech bullet LU with a good 2 blade prop was able to jump all over my friends g3 with a 65 merc only thing to be carefull about is oil mixture 1 quart to 6 gal and run a good gas hose and tank my old 60 used to pull gas out of my old plastic tank it would starve and colapse the tank.You won't belive how much gas that thing burns.

jon b

[Don's Marine]

The U.S. equivalent of the Gale was painted black and white with all of the engine white except for the trim on the cowl. This one was called the "Gale Sovereign", was 60 h.p.and had the same lower unit as the small one on the other OMC products starting in 1960. The great thing about these engine was the fact you could convert them to short-shaft engines easily. They had magneto ignition, electric starting & no generator or alternator.
The old Gale factory in Galesburg Illinois was converted later to manufacture Lawn-Boy mowers.

[stan]

Yep I found no alternator, the starter was in great shape just needed cleaning up, lots of brush materia left, pull rope had lots of wear
most likely from dead battery - no alternator. I left the serial number at the lake , I've heard this gas problem before I am going to run a 1 leter fuel test and see how far it gets me compared to my 6 in line merc. Which uses as much fuel as my 9.8 merc just gets me there faster (Fuel technology called -suck it up by the minute, if I use more or less than the other one something is broken)

http://mitglied.lycos.de/old_omc/ Gerhard runs this site, from Germany I believe

[crazy horse]

Here's a list of # for those years of OMC's. This is as large as I can post unless I cut it in half , It's from a old service manual. If you want a larger copy let me know and I'll send it to ya.

[Don's Marine]

Stan,
Before you run any fuel use comparisons, be sure to adjust the adjustable main jets on the carburetor. This can easily be done by running the engine on the boat about 3/4 throttle and turning the adjustments one at a time clockwise until the engine starts to slow up, then turn it back the other way about 1/4 turn. This usually gave these engines pretty good fuel mileage and plenty of power. Most of these engines had the adjustable jets set too rich from the factory, or just by being tinkered with.

[Bruster]

The OMC Sea King, made for Monkey Wards is the same as the Canadian Viking. Only the badging changes, colors are the same!

[Don's Marine]

Stan,
By the way, carry a spare rotor for the magneto with you if going very far from home; they were bad about grounding out through the center on the rotor where it goes on the shaft. If this happens to you and you don't have a spare, insert a thin piece of plastic under the rotor to get you home. The rotor is very thin and can be bad although you can see nothing wrong.

[stan]

Thanks for the tips and info

Crazy Horse thanks for the Data sheet, Oil Hungry too. 24:1
Wonder what it would do with 50:1? can't imagine this engine is tight or loose enough to require 24:1 any ideas, on oil hunger?

Don's Marine
Carb Adustment. the high speeds appear to be tied together
do you suggest to break them apart then tie them together after set up?

Bure Hazchamp
Not sure what you meat only "Baging" is different.

Dons' Marine
I think I will pull the cap down again and add the plastic before
trying it out Good tip. This time with a rag to catch the falling screws. Hi

[Bruster]

Originally posted by stan
Thanks for the tips and info


Bure Hazchamp
Not sure what you meat only "Badging" is different.



Your motor says "Viking" the "Sea King" says "Sea King"

[Ed Mc.]

My brother had an old Gale 60 on his Glaspar. It ran OK, not a powerhouse but reliable as long as you kept the ign up to snuff. If she dies on you on the water and won't restart, but sparks ok when you get it home, buy a NEW ign coil. The coils heat-soak then fail, I can't tell you how many used coils I went thru on an old G-3 with 75 HP V-4 Ev before I bought a new one and solved the problem.

The tip about the rotors is a good one, have replaced countless rotors which have shorted thru and killed the spark.

If I recall, the 60 had improved heads over the 50HP, also had the 'pyramid' style reed cages instead of flat reed plates like the old BigTwins.

If you have an early Fat Fifty, bolting on a set of the later-style heads and reeds gives you a definite performance improvement, and also reduces fuel consumption from its monstrous rate. ;)

[Backfire]

As to the carb adjustment, the two high speed jets are sync'd together with that flat blade tab that is on the top front of the carbs. This is spring loaded (if as in original) so that you can pull it up to disengage the two gears on the high speed jets and rotate it 180 deg so it points forward and rests in the lip in front. Then you can adjust each jet for best performance and then pick up the adjustment lever (flat blade tab) rotate 180 deg. and lock the jets together so that they can be adjusted together with one lever. The ignition is run with magnito and needs no battery other than for a starter. Damn just like the new E-TEC, sort of...
Backfire ;)

[Binger]

I have a old viking 16ft aluminum that was my grandfathers,

[stan]

Thanks for the Carb tip adjustment, I am off for holidays to finish this project off and will lend that advice into practise, I am very keen to learn how much fuel this puppy does consume, and will come to the conclusion in the next few weeks I hope and post the resluts back here

Cheers all, Summer is ahead

Stan

[mercmack]

USE TAKE TO OLD 70 INCHER AND PUT THE BETTER 75HP REEDS IN IT AND THE LATEST 65 HP HEADS ON IT , STILL DIDN'T GO ANY PLACE ON A 14 FT WOODY BUT THE PARTS WHERE CHEEP WHEN YOUR WORKING ON THEM AND IT WAS FUN...THE OTHER THING WAS TO TAKE A OLD 90 INCHER AND PUT ALL THE X115 PARTS ON IT...OMC RACING PART WHERE VERY CHEEP IN THOSE DAYS...THE 100 HP GEAR GASE WAS FASTER THAN THE SMALL ONE TO ONE..
OH TO BE YOUNG AND DUMMB AGAIN:D :D :D

[Backfire]

I'll bet that fuel consumption is about 45 minutes per 6 gallon tank. Back then, the smaller engines didn't burn that much on the small light boats of the time. The problem with the "fat" 50's was the lower unit. It was a stump puller that would nearly push a pontoon as fast as a runabout and blowout speed was 36-38mph
due to poor design. MPG was really bad. The higher speed design l/u introduced in 1960 on the 75 hp, was a durable unit and delivered good performance at the time, learned to barefoot behind one on an Arkansas Traveler Skijack,square nose.
Backfire ;)

[2 De River]

That thing sure resembles a Elgin motor that was popular in the late 50s and early 60s. I believe Sears was a distributor for the brand. I'm 56 yrs old and I do remember the style, there was also a brand called Sea King that looked like that too.

[LakeRaider]

Sold by T. Eaton Company in Toronto, Canada. Made from the 1930's to the 1960,s. Viking motors were supplied by Muncie,Evinrude,Gale and West Bend. They were also sold at some Sears stores in the USA. LakeRaider

[stan]

Summer never came up, VERY VERY SHORT Engine is now 98% completed will have to wait to next spring, to be mounted on rebuilt and 98% completed, Arkansas traveler, All things Retro and they all gleam

Stan