Serious Boat Accident Tonight - Long Island Great South Bay. Pictures Inside...

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A 15 foot Hydrostream Viper was completely destroyed tonight in a serious accident on Long Island's Great South Bay.

The driver (a friend of mine) was uninjured; however the passenger was taken to Good Samaritan hospital in West Islip with serious injuries, although I do not know the details of those injuries at this time. I understand he will be alright though. I’ll give another report as soon as I find out more.

Apparently, the stern section of the bottom pad delaminated while the boat was running 94 mph. As a result, the hull fractured in multiple locations at once, causing the boat to lose control and break apart into many small sections.

The boat was recovered with help from the Suffolk County Police Department and several other boaters.

On a side note, I would like to mention that I talked to the driver of the Hydrostream and he agreed that it would be a good idea to post these photos to show people what can happen when a fiberglass boat hull delaminates at high speed.

This boat looked fine on the outside, but obviously had a high degree of water impregnation in the laminate and structure. This is why I stress the importance of a thorough and correct inspection of any boat hull prior to use or restoration. Understanding fiberglass laminates and the effects of water impregnation is very important – the following photos should underscore that point.

There is a lot more to inspecting a boat than just tapping the bottom with a mallet. Never hesitate to contact a competent fiberglass repair shop to assist in your hull inspection, and pay them if you have to. It could be your life.

(Thanks to Herb from Intimidator Boats for this photo)

Greg

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(Thanks to Herb from Intimidator Boats for this photo)

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These were photos I was able to capture at the boat ramp...

That's Joe (progression22) holding the bow section up.

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Bow section...

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Police boat recovering engine...

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Deck section of the wrecked boat on the Police boat's deck.

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Another view of the deck section that was recovered.

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Engine...

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Engine and stern section of the hull.

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Bottom section showing the point of delamination.

[Travis Fulton]

glad no one is seriously hurt!!! speedy recovery and prayers

[Scream And Fly]

I hope these photos serve to warn and educate...:(

Greg

[Jay R.]

well.... miracle no one was killed!

[bulldogdaddy]

didn't look like more than 6 inches of bad work,funny how that translates,glad noone was hurt and hope to hear more of what the cause was,owner did the work and soforth. also glad to se the motor was recovered

[rmh77]

was that ronnies viper?

[wing nut]

Originally posted by rmh77
was that ronnies viper?


no, there is (was) 2 of them around LI.

scott

[Laker]

Thank the maker nobody Died!
I have had one boat come apart on me. I have also seen a couple others after the fact and have heard a few different storys but NEVER heard of one busting apart. Let alone in 20 pieces!!
I thought it was ronnies for sure until I saw the 20 inch mid...
Wake up call.... YES
All I can say at this point is WOW.
Becarefull everyone!

[Trikki1010]

Glad everyone is okay, very lucky considering the damage.

THIS, is one of the reasons, Greg is so stringent about a boats true history when selling. I'm guilty of the "screwdriver handle tap" as a "preliminary" indication of delaminating.

I too thought it might be Ronnie's Viper, color related, until I saw the motor.

I know the older Hydrostreams love to soak up water over time, as do older boats that stay in the water ALL the time. I've broke the transoms before and started to delaminate the bottom, BUT HOLY ****, that baby disintigrated

Again, glad all are okay, peace:cool:

[FrenchPhil]

Thank god no one got killed !!

Was that a '77 viper with a 200 v6 ? I hope they were wearing lifejackets
& a kill switch. I just got to wonder though about using 200hp + motors on 15
footers especially when they're that old.

[Stream 1]

One of the things that I continue to think about, it what is the usable life span of a fiberglass performance boat? Our company gets calls everyday that start out with "I just bought a 198. . ." Many of those calls are about 20 + year old boats that are over horsepowered and have been for years. There has to be a point where structural fatique of the laminate can not be brought to a useable point even if re-cored properly. As with all things continual stessing will cause a failure.

Additional, all of the older Hydro Streams were never designed for todays horsepower. I'm not saying that many of us, myself included, have not pushed old Stream's way past their intended speed profiles. But when most of these boats were designed, you couldn't buy a 280hp, 7500 rpm engine with a one year factory warranty. The Viper for example set world speed records with 120hp.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is, look at your equipment, think about every part of it. Think about its intended use and speed profile. Understand, that pushing the envelope has an extreme rush factor that can not only injure, but can also kill.

If you are going to push the envelope, in an old or new boat wear a proper life jacket and use the right safety equipment. There were some extremely lucky people involved in this accident. God bless that no one was killed.

While its not easy to look at these pictures, why not use them as a serious reminder of the danger that is part of our sport. All of us have jumped in a boat, thought about a life jacket and decided we didn't need it for just one quick pass. . .

VENOM the next generation of Performance Boats

[Scream And Fly]

Very well said Jim - I could not have said it better myself.

The owner of the boat involved in the accident wanted people to see these photos here in the hopes that it will indeed be a wake up call.

Very scary indeed.

Greg

[chynewalkr]

IVE NEVER WAS THAT SCARED IN MY LIFE WHEN I FELT MINE LET GO

please everyone wear safety equipment! i had a boat come apart on me last year and it wasnt fun. luckily i was uninjured and was wearing a lifevest.

[Hot Shot Merc]

I'm glad the guy's in that boat werent killed.

[WILDMAN]

How can you tell which came first? Did the bottom break during the crash, or did the bottom delaminate causing the crash?

[jerry]

jerry is pretty sure there was a guy running next to him when it came apart and saw what happened .

[Scream And Fly]

From what I understand, the bottom of the boat delaminated, causing the crash...

Greg

[1BadAction]

! my 74 vector delaminated in a small spot on the left side of the hull left of the pad, and that caused it to hook in that direction at about 50 mph :eek: scary stuff. hopefully a bunch of guys went out and thoroughly checked over their boats after this happened. at least my pad on this 84 vector is 1" thick solid glass mat/cloth layup it is about as solid as cement. :)

[stylishskier]

I too was worried that it was ronnies although I didnt think his would be wet but his is the only brown high powered viper that I know about...that is definitely surreal. I hope the injured recovers well. Did that boat have a soaked core? It is a definite wakeup call at what can happen at 90+. That boat absolutely disintegrated! Hope everyone recovers well and is able to step back into hi perf boating safely.

- Duane

[Mark75H]

'stream, its not a question of how thick or hard your blueprinting work is, but how solidly it attaches to the rest of the bottom ... the solid part of the bottom.

[baja200merk]

hope everyone recovers!:(

[at100plus]

I think the same thing happened to CRMERC's Vking at the CT. River Run last year. Bottom ripped right out. Luckily he wasn't going fast.

[quickonstep]

i believe this post should be PINNED so EVERYONE can see EXACTLY what WILL happen if you half ass your inspections EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT! As i said in the last post, nothing against the guy and im glad he is ok, and i hope the passenger pulls through ok.

I finally got mine runnin but im hesitant to take it out just becuase i wanna make damn sure things are on the up and up.

so this is defaintly not only a learning experiance but somthing for newboaters to look at to see what CAN and probably WILL happen if you dont inspect your boat...


Jesse

[JUPITER PULSARE]

HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WILL RECOVER TO ENJOY BOATING AGAIN! (ALTHOUGH PROBABLY AT SLOWER SPEEDS) THE POOR GUYS IN THAT STREAM MOST LIKELY NEVER KNEW WHAT HAPPENED AT 94MPH.

[1BadAction]

yeah, but its not attached to the bottom- it IS the bottom. i took off all the **** glass before i layed the new pad (the whole 8ft length), and got down to the new core. I dare somebody to try and take it off with a crowbar and chisel, its not going to happen.

remember this pic?

[Mark75H]

The right way is the only way! I bet the ones that came apart were not done like that!!

[1BadAction]

what happened is i said, "ok, i'll cut it down untill its flat and about 1/8" under what i want the total height" and as i started planing it off, i noticed that the glass around where the concave was originally was real dry and not held together good, but the glass on the sides was perfect and really fresh, so i set the planer to cut 1/8" deep and cut untill all the old **** was gone, and all i had was good stuff, and coring :eek: lol. it came out good, the maiden voyage i took it out on lake okeechobee in about 5' seas and played offshore boat at 45-50mph untill my back hurt. It held up perfect, and that bottom took a couple HARD shots.

[Fl Boy in ILL]

It is painfull to look at pictures like these, my stream (Vector) came apart delaminating at HIGH speeds. I thank GOD that i was wearing my safety equipment, lifeline jacket, kill switch and was not out by myself there where other boats.

Jim STREAM you are right we have over powered these hulls for years and expect them to always stay together, they just weren't designed for that!!!! I guess that is why I am driving a BRAND NEW Allison.

I pray for a quick and speedy recovery of those hurt, you are in our prayers.

Rick

[tunnelboat17]

Hope for a speedy recovery + a lesson for anyone who might be at the wheel or thinkin about it that these speeds we're doin leave no room for error. My friend Jimmy S. rode in my 79 15 + 79 200 Merc that I put on because my 74-150 was stolen and the 200 fell in my lap at the right time. It was fall 1979 and opinion was that it was too much motor? First ride proved the damn boat was better with the 200 + more stable as a result of less trim needed to go up to 80mph. The v6 torque held the boat down while still delivering the big speeds.Jimmy was hooked by the thrilling yet driver-friendly performance and set up his own 15-v6 rocketship in 93-94. One Sunday he's out lookin to have a nice calm ride to enjoy the sunny summer day and as he makes the turn into Gilgo Beach channel(1/2 mile long) puts it down, trims up and the pad collaspes just in front of the drainplug hole causing the boat to rear up and stuff??? or any other violent change of direction to end up with him tangled in the mangled wreckage under the dash with the boat upside down tryin to drown him!!!!!! He got out from under and had some hospital stay with serious injuries but the lesson is the pad takes the beating and will fail if beaten long enough!!! We can pay a big price if we are unaware of the risks! You can never be too well prepared!!!!!! Check your equipment carefully!!!!:cool:

[rock]

I went right on by this post first couple days. Man am i glad I took a look.I also have a 1980 Vector. It ran low 90's with my bass boat motor. Big horse is now on the transom waiting for me to get time to install three litre carbs I just got from a member of this board. Think it might be time to re-evaluate. I also re-did the pad or should say had it done by a fibreglass shop and I can't confirm it was done entirely correctly. Probably gonna find me a nice 115 and go look at the Allison I talked with an other member of this board a few days ago. Greg, thanks for posting the pics. Sure glad those guys were at least somewhat lucky.

[ROLF]

I hope for a full recovery for all involved I also hope the authorities did NOT recover the piece of hull with the USCG max HP plate/sticker was attached to,we all know what that says on a 15'' Viper.




Rolf

[Georgia Boy]

Every time I read or hear about a hull delaminating it is a stream. I like the streams and agree with Jim that in most cases they are pushed past their original intentions. So here is my question, is delamination mainly a problem with the older hydrostreams with a cored hull, or is this something to worry about on other brands as well, even hulls that are solid glass (not cored) as well? just something I was curious about perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Certainly hope that everyone involved recovers well and fast. Most definitely a wake up call for sure. ~GB

[Techno]

What is meant by an inspection? Both the one we would do for a preflight and the one an inspector would do.

Were they wearing any safety gear? nothing was mentioned.

Did the little square pad break cause the boat to go out of control? Seems like the surface is still there in the pic but hard to tell.

After seeing these pictures what could have been done before the trip to have spotted this weak spot?

[Spd-Kilz]

If I were Ronnie, I'd be scared sh!tless right about now. A boat very similiar does something like this, ahhhhhhh,:eek: . Hope everything is alright.

[transomstand]

Maybe I'm not as unlucky as I think. In 1995, my Ventura started to leak. I found a 24 inch crack in the center of the pad near the transom. Good thing I wasn't running hard that day. Pulled the floor, cut through the inner skin and found almost no balsa left.

Greg, do you know if that Viper had any history of core repair?

Pete

[350cavi]

well, I geuss i should be telling my buddy that has a '87 Venux XT, to maybe do a REALLY good inspetion of his pad, as i know that it has some spider cracks in gelcote, and he has told me that he was going to tend to that problem on the pad. If he wants help doing it, I'm all for helping him, as he's not going to retire his 96mph+ rig, and probly won't even consider doing so after he's seen this forum. But who know's things do change.

Hope everyone recovers to their state of condition before the crash. HEALTHY!!!!!!!

[Brabender]

I have rarely come across an older stream that had a solid core. Everybody Tap test your hulls. This was certainly caused by core failure. The stringer system needs to be improved as well. Hope everyone is OK.

[Capt.Insane-o]

Every old Hydrostream I have recored I start right at that very area ,and the pad and surrounding areas get 1 inch coring. That is a damn scary sight. There is a couple of very lucky guys out there right now. I will go out and say that every older 'stream will have rotten by now. There are very very few exceptions to that,but all of the ones I have run across are soaked to the gills.

[FrenchPhil]

I don't think this is necessarily a hydrostream issue; any 20+ year
"small" boat with 150-200 + hp v6 motors is bound to get fragile.
It's just a matter of when not if.

[Capt.Insane-o]

It's amazing what people will go out and put in the water. We see some real gems where I work, let me tell you......................especially the pour a transom boat.:eek:

[stylishskier]

Boat mender... so it was the reason of failure the core? Because looking at the pics, it looks like that core is darkbrown/black... definitely looks like the saturated core I replaced last fall. I do hope everyone is alright but that looks like it was really soaked and is a shame anyone would go 94 with a 200 on a viper with a soaked core, it was an accident waiting to happen, especially considering 'streams light layup schedule. Once again, hope everyone recovers fully, but wow...

- Duane

[Hydropimp911]

Looking at what remains of the floor it is clear that this boat had some serious issues. The floor looks like it was in pretty sad shape. The hull probably delaminated midship first. Rather than the pad.. It was also pretty windy the other day. Sea conditions probably didn't help. Checkout Hydrostram.org for all the recore projects.. I agree that there are alot of lucky people riding around out there. Hopefully this will open some eyes and something constructive comes from it. Inspect your RIDE!!:mad: :confused:

[airpacker]

If the extent of wet rot and delamination are as evidenced by the photos, as soo as the small pad section broke open. the resultant hydraulic forces applied to the remainder of the area between the outer and inner layers of the hull could easily blow the boat apart. The pressure applied by the water entering the small area at 94mph would be immence. Never seen fiberglass beat out hydraulic forces in a battle of strenght. The bow pic seems to show some pretty degraded coring heading all the way forward. thats one big void to have water under pressure blast into and pop some other weak areas of the hull out. Older cored boats are a scary thing and should be treated as such. There have been several great articles over the years dealing with the faults of cored bottoms. Mostly about why they fail. I guess theres a reason for that.

[GelcoatJoe]

this boat looks like it has been ill for quite a while before this mishap. the core looks very spotti, witch means water, this boat should have been recored long ago. well glad to see they are still alive....get well soon guys... gelcoat joe long island new york

[Brabender]

The core was probably Peat Moss prior to the accident. Which means that there was no support between the inner and outer fiberglass layers. The pad Still has pieces of core from the look off the pictures. This leaves me to believe that the initial fractures came much further up. A good look at the pictures and you can see how brown the revealed core is. this didn''t just happen. Balsa core is a light tan. Takes years of marinating to get the color of these pictures...Too Bad

[sho305]

Posting those pics is great, we don't need more of that no doubt. Glad everyone is alive.

Someplace on the web I didn't save, I read stuff about composites and laminates and how strong they are...very strong of course. But you need both sides and the core; if you lose one the the three you have nearly no strength at all. Plus like here if you get high powered water injection into the core it blows it apart. Sometimes I wonder what the lifespan of fiberglass really is, and also factor the chemical tech in the resin back then 20-30yrs ago then put near double the motor on it...there certainly is a need to be careful doing that.

That core looks black in the pics.

[Hydrovector]

Thank the Lord above that everyone is OK.
Makes me think about keeping the Vixen out of the water it's 28 years old!!!

[viper15]

I was running along side him when the boat came apart. there was no warning just water and bodies flying. The passanger is out of the hospital and home now and both are sore but ok. I asked them if they could do it again for video but they said no. I had to ask! Every old boat no mater what make or model will have wet or delaminated core. spare no expense and fix it. This was a lesson no one needs to learn. I re cored my boat 4 years ago and i checked it again when i got it home. A sounding hammer and a moisture meter never lie.

[ctmotors]

Bad Crash for sure. Truely, I'm glad everybody is going to be ok.

Think about this though..... Pic 008 clearly shows how rotton the floor was.... look at all the black under the glass and take it down from there and look at pic
009... more black and thus rot and you don't need a meter or sounding hammer to tell you that. I'm sorry but this was no accident but just pure stupidity and/or
ignorance on behalf of the boat owner.To run a 27 year old rig over powered with a rotton core what would you expect? This is a crash not an accident!!!!!!!!
Avoidable, stupidy, irresponsible, yes, but not an accident!!!!!!!! The owner/insurance company will be lucky if they don't get their butts sued to the max.

Bottom line is if your going to play be as safe as you can and take the necessary precautions to make it as safe as possible.We all know when you run those speeds
you assume risks. Alway, check your rig and equipment, wear a life jacket and teather plus, a helmet if your really pushing the envelope and don't put others at
unnecessary risk! Run alone if your going to push it all the way. We should learn from this crash because it should not have happened. It was just pure human
stupidity. This is reality and my thoughts as the irresponsible ruin it for the rest of us, like it or not. Someday, the Gov't will put restrictions on our fun if we don't act
responsible.It always is the few irresponsible people that ruin it for the rest of us.

Be smart, be carefull, be safe, check your rigs. If it is an accident make sure it is that and not your stupidity.
I know some won't like my thoughts but think about it????? Be responsible or we will loose or waterway freedom.

Chris

[stylishskier]

I agree CT, anyone running 94 in a viper should know better, and it can happen at lesser speed as well... glad everyone is OK

[Techno]

I asked this further up but no answer. How are you supposed to check for this?
Its great telling people to check and say how obvious the rot was but how do you do this without breaking the boat in half?

[350cavi]

Yeah, CTMOTORS is totaly right about the core being rotten, as you can clearly see where the core is rotten, the color where the core was rotten, and from where it wasn't, it's purely night and day. I mean if i had that happen to my boat, it would chuck it, because if the core is rotten, then it had to have gotten in through the glass

[viper15]

You can tap the bottom with a plastic hammer and listen for the dead spots , or you can use a moisture meter. My friend just bought the boat off someone off of s&f and it had a 2.4 on it . The guy did not say anything about anything. This was the 2nd time out when the accident happened. No body checked the boat including my self and this is what happens when you get a month of rain and a bad itch for speed. As for ct you can"t see rotted core until you cut it open. Most are not aware these copnditions occure. lets all learn from this accident and check them before you run them. Lets take a pole HOW MANY PEOPLE RUN A VIPER WITH A V6? JUST ABOUT EVERY VIPER ON LONG ISLAND HAS A V6 ON IT INCLUDING MINE.

[tcob]

where do you buy a moisture meter and how much are they ?

[V8astrovan]

man hope eveyone is ok. wow neva seen that happen

[viper15]

I bought mine from a place called jr overseas co. po box 370 kent ct. 06757 (203) 927 3808. Mine was $350.00 you can try e-bay. you can get them cheaper.mine is a sovereign and another is called a skipper which i believe is a bit cheaper.

[DoktorC]

Stupid or not this is a big wake up for alot of us. Many of us know about saturation but not how to check for it. I did my transom and floor two years ago and checked the core from the top and it looked nice and dry. It never dawned on me to take a hammer to the bottom of my boat. Now after getting some advice from another board member I went out and checked the bottom. It turns out I have two very soft spots that I had no idea were there. Now, before seeing this post I really wouldn't have guessed how serious these two little spots could be. This may make me stupid for not checking out my rig and I would agree but at least one person learned from this accident....Time to learn about coring!!

[EASY MONEY]

my opinion, don't buy or run old junk over powered. put up the $ if you want to gofast and be smart about it. glad no one was seriously hurt.

[jerry]

soon everyone will learn the truth to what happened and why the boat came apart . it was rotted but that is not what caused this ACCIDENT !!! the truth will soon be told............


P.S if you look at the pic bottom of the boat , the boat cracked about 3-4 ft in front of the transom . a 15 ft w/200 running 90 mph is running on the last 12in or so of the bottom so the hull couldnt have delamated 3-4 ft up .

[Spd-Kilz]

Originally posted by jerry
soon everyone will learn the truth to what happened and why the boat came apart . it was rotted but that is not what caused this ACCIDENT !!! the truth will soon be told............

And the plot thickens. Please share Jerry this could be useful in the other thread...

[DoktorC]

Is the truth a secret?? It's funny that we never considered any other possibilities other that the boat delaminating...like maybe it hit something in the water that started that whole chain reaction..

[PORT]

Not only 20-30 year "old" boats experience this condition. My 10yr old Rapid Craft has some hollow spots due to pounding on choppy waters. There is no wood, just foam cloth, it compressed and glass seperated.

[Trikki1010]

I've been looking at these pics alot without comment. I know that in MY past, I HAVE taken something pretty close to that for a spin. I've had my share of wet cores and busted transomes.

Call it an idiot, excitement, boating fever, WHATEVER. They don't offer Boating 101, 201 or anything else like this in school, and maturing in this sport takes a little schooling. I know I've had my share of screw-ups. BUT, being a wise ass monday morning quarterback doesn't alleviate the situation. Never worked for my parents:rolleyes:

If this guy goes back out in a boat like that, did the dame thing, THEN you can call him an asshole CTMotor, but you're a little hard for a first timer.

We can try to guess what the cause was and who to blame, but that isn't gonna cure the problem. Better to educate the rest and learn from this PERIOD......

[Techno]

Thanks for spelling it out. I didn't know if hammering your boat every outing is the norm or there was some other method.
This isn't a sarcastic remark.

A moisture meter is not much more than an ohm meter, reads resistance so if you have a multimeter youse gots a moisture meter. Just need to find wet wood and dry wood readings. Keep the probes the same distance for each test. The water increases conductivity so the resistance reads lower when getting wetter.

The thing I still don't understand is how do you use a moisture meter on a sealed floor. I don't know much about these streams but isn't the core sealed in? If you plunge a probed moisture meter into the floor you just introduced the point of future rot.

My first reaction was the boat failed at the place where its broke in half. But just because its broke in half don't mean thats what caused the accident. The accident can break it up any way it likes.
This could be anything from some small loss of control, name your choice, to hitting a hard object- whatever. The core may have let go and caused it or something else caused it and this happened earlier than it may have.

The boat disappeared in a cloud of spray, now we see the result. What originally caused it, in my opinion, is still unkown.

What about non cored hulls? Any tests for those? What is this check it out before use? I assumed it was to check for gel cracks.
See this means I'm ignorant, I don't know. Now if I can't learn or after learing I ignore it then I'm stupid.

[northeastcat]

So... what do we look for , is this possoble on all boats ??? My boat is 22 years old and was neglected before I got it but how and what will tell me if I have problems ? How do I tell if it is a laminated core or not ?
Jerry if this was not the cause then what was ? Did he hit something ?
This is some real scary **** to think about and I am real glad no one was seriously injured.
Wishing those involved a speedy recovery.

[viper15]

If you look ay the hole in the pad. When the pad split the brakes came on and the bow slammed down like a ton of bricks. We found out after looking at the remains, that someone did a half ass foor replacement and this boat only had 4 ft of stringers. the seat box was used as structure. The only thing i can tell you is ck it good. They did not hit anything it was just a **** repair which was not seen until this happened.
THIS WAS POSTED TO ALERT PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF A POSSIBLE FLAW. IT MAY HELP SOME IF ONLY 1 THEN THE POST WAS WORTH IT. BUT THE NEGATIVE NO IT ALL ASSHOLES THAT HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN BASH OTHER PEOPLE. KEEP YOUR DUMB ASS COMMENTS TO YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trikki1010]

Viper,

I had an inkling that that is what it was. Looks like the pad delaminated first causing it to stuff, and THAT is what really hurt.

Everyone should view this as a warning, not a finger pointing witchhunt.

I second the bashing thing, it ain't productive here:mad:

[at100plus]

Here's another thing to consider for those who feel the driver should have checked the boat out better. What if the hull is damaged right where it sits on the trailer bunks. How do you find that damage?

[transomstand]

Mike,
That's exactly what I was thinking, until last weekend, I hadn't seen my pad for about 5 years. I have 2 bunks in the center of the trailer. I jacked up the boat and pulled them off to have a look after seeing this thread.

Pete

[viper15]

Thats what we were trying to tell people! Regardless of year make model or power the point was to make people aware of a possible problem? If anyone in my area and wants to stop by i'd would ck your boat for you just to avoid this from happening to anyone else. If anyone does not know how to ck bring it to a qualified repair faculity for a good inspection. I did my bottom and right after that happened i checked my boat again.

[DoktorC]

Funny you guys mentioned the trailer situation. My boat stays in the water all the time so obviously it's hard to check. When I pull the boat out with the fork lift the soft area is under the forks and it's exactly where the bunks sit on the trailer.

[350cavi]

OOOHHHH......big tuf guy eh, "viper15", ahahahahahaha

[progression22]

I am getting sick of you and your comments. You talk like a big tough guy buy i know your a 16 year old brat. I'll piss on your head. So cut the **** and take your head out of checkmates forever and clmotors ass. I can just picture what kind of kid you are..... I know..... One that just talks..........You must likely wear all mercury shirts and DON'T own one. So go ask daddy for a faster boat.

[Skittles]

It is obvious that these "experts" have never seen much less been in a hi perf boating accident. Accidents happen when you least expect them. The scary part is no matter how careful you are, or how nice your equipment is.......if you do this long enough it can happen to you. You guys need to chill a little and maybe learn something. Trust me this could have been you just as easy.


P.S. As to all the overpowered remarks.......take that to the boatered forums......you'll fit in just fine:rolleyes:

[ken medendorp]

Should fill crank case with oil or disassemble that motor right away so the crank don't rust up

[Ted March]

right on the head. Just hope everybody comes thru 100%.

[progression22]

We had the motor running that nite, it already on the back of another boat

[Ted March]

another 70's or 80's Viper.

[stylishskier]

Viper, I was unaware of the abundance of V-6 Vipers... hell there are very few streams that I see each year on my local lake so yea Im a def rookie when it comes to streams and hi perf boats but I was surprised. I also was unaware of the situation so shouldn't have thrown out the comment about him knowing better. Glad everyone is recovering, lets hope we don't see this happen ever again.

[THE HOSER]

Makes you think of not running a older hull so hard.

[Hot Shot Merc]

I was starting to turn purple again.:mad: :D

[viper15]

I see delaminated hulls every day. Any body ever drill into a floor or bilge to install a battery box, bilge pump or anything else? How many of you used anything like 5200 to seal the screws, probably non of you. Wash the boat or get it wet and you now have the beginning of wet core. Any time you drill or screw into a hull you should seal the bolts or screws with something. New or old is does not take long. WHAT DOES 350 CAVI MEAN IN CANADA? CAVATY SEARCH ME 350 MORE TIMES!!!!!!!!!

[350cavi]

nope, it's for the 1984, 350ci. Chevrolet Cavalier that i built. and please stop with insulting us Canadians, cuz i mean atleaste we can see the truth about ****, not to try and find our way around the real truth, we take **** straight up, and we mean things straight up, thats how us Canadains play things up here.

Truth hurts doesn't it??

[Skittles]

But its because you've never seen it happen or had it happen to you. Man its time to grow up a bit here. Total disrepect for the families and friends involved.

[rmh77]

Why are 90% of the boaters from canada F'ing morons????Are you idiots kept cold too long or something????:confused: ...........................................T-minus 10,9,8.............till thread gets locked

[Trikki1010]

Don't group all canadians with respects to rebuttals to your comments. I have several fine canadian friends, who would support me in saying,

You don't represent canada, and what you lack in class, you try to fire off with your little attitude and name calling. Then again, maybe this is your first venture past Sesame Street.

Chill out, you may meet some of these people one day, and they may still want to help;)

[Skittles]

Uncle fester:D I just think Cavi has alot to learn like all of us. Unfortunately these things seem to be the best teacher/reminder of what can happen. Luckily this time no lives were lost.

[350cavi]

no it's just cause that true hard facts are too much for you too handle, and same goes with not being able to accept the truth about the whole thing, and as far as the cold waether goes, it waken us up to see the big picture, cuz crashing that boat, and other kinds of stunts will **** us all over in the ens, i mean it not a matter of if, but it's a matter of when.!

[350cavi]

ahh ****, Sesame Street, i rember letting go or moving past that, at like what was it........age 4, come on, grow up

[rmh77]

Thats why i left a 10% margin:D ;)

[Skittles]

Pretty stiff language isn't cav. Why not just let it go. IF this guy is at fault, then he learns the lesson the hard way. Why must you trash him? He learned it the hard way so you should go check your boat and thank him for reminding you. Like I said quit acting like a 16 year old punk and have a little respect. You would want the same if you were in his shoes.

[350cavi]

yeah, too bad that it's the other way around, it's why you should have left the 90%

[350cavi]

well, you know that if the Gov't screws us over on the water ways, in a few years, then he's going to be part of that group that screwed us over, and being a "16 year old punk" is actually not what i would preffer, cuz i'm just the kind of guy that does not get along so easily, with wanna be's and ****

[Boz]

I hope I'm in that 10%.....Hell, I take my boat to the States to be worked on and like American beer!!! Does that count??:D

[rmh77]

And if you read the other thread most of the "should would of could of" comments were from canada.Just be thankful nobody was killed and learn from it!

[rmh77]

Originally posted by Boz
I hope I'm in that 10%.....Hell, I take my boat to the States to be worked on and like American beer!!! Does that count??:D LOL they know who they are.

[350cavi]

hey, you can't really learn from it if you already know it can happen to you personally, i mean this isn't teaching me bit, cuz i'm FULLY aware of the dangers at those hi of speeds

[Skittles]

Do you really think he went out and crashed his boat for the fun of doing it?:rolleyes: Do you really think he was thinking on the way there Gee I'm gonna go crash my boat so I can screw it up for everyone else?

[Skittles]

if you are aware are you saying that you are immune from it???????????????????

[DoktorC]

Unless you have something positive to share why don't you cut the attitude...Go out in the boat or something (if you have one)..blow off some steam. The guy learned his lesson and I've had my eyes openned by his experience. You're giving all of us a bad name..straight up yo.

[350cavi]

well, more of a chance for being immune from it, as checking my rig from nose to transom is # priority

[Skittles]

have ALOT to learn.

[350cavi]

i mean that guy like just bought that boat from some guy, and i don't think that he took his more than sweet ass time to make sure everything was A.O.K

[Boz]

You really should drop it. You're causing some damage here and running yourself into the ground.

[350cavi]

okay al in all, really what it comes down to is, a v-6 on a 15foot, 27 year old boat, come on, open yur eyes and see the big picture here, something is obviously going to go terribly wrong, and the driver is real lucky that he don't get his ass seud by the passenger and the insurance company.

Stop being stupid, think for Christ sake, if you wnna fo fast and play with the big dogs, go and spend a little more $$$ so that you can get a rig that is suppose to have a v-6 on it and can do 100 or more mph very safely

[Skittles]

Were you there when he checked it? Do you know what he did or didn't check for? Maybe he didn't have your superior 16 year old knowledge and maybe he checked the usual steering mountbolts, transom, who knows. What matters here is that it was overlooked and maybe some of us will remember this thread when we get ready to go boating next time..............remember not everyone here is as perfect and important as you.

[350cavi]

yeah........okay ther "boz"

[Skittles]

Originally posted by 350cavi
get a rig that is suppose to have a v-6 on it and can do 100 or more mph very safely
You are clueless..........name a boat that you can SAFELY go 100 in on the water.

[rmh77]

350 cavi i think SHIPSHAPE TV is looking for you because thats the only other perfect boater i know;)

[350cavi]

i don't think i called myself perfect or important, it just seems that i may know a few things here and there

[Boz]

Don't say I didn't warn ya...............

[350cavi]

ohhh don't worry, i knew thats this was going to end up like this, and i have chosen to take the risks, if there really are any to be worried about

[DoktorC]

Originally posted by 350cavi
[/B]

Stop being stupid, think for Christ sake, if you wnna fo fast and play with the big dogs, go and spend a little more $$$ so that you can get a rig that is suppose to have a v-6 on it and can do 100 or more mph very safely [/B]

This coming from a kid who claims to have put a 350 in chev's biggest POS...

and you have a problem with posers....don't you have a 40 or something on a tin boat? (my Mom has a 60 on her tin can)..

whatever...just wondering where the expertise comes from?

Boz is right BTW

[350cavi]

well, every kind of boat out there can go fast, it's just that they hit there "safe" limits until it becoes really a scarey ride, like lets say a stv mod vp, it can run 100mph easily and be very safe, it would be like having a pincnick** in the park

[viper15]

ITS THE LITTLE BOY MENTALLITY THAT IS CAUSING ALL THE IGNORANCE!! This was posted to make people aware of possible flaws it there hulls.Make it a learning experience not day care.This is why the other one was locked! Its not what you spend or what boat you prefer or how fast it goes. Its about having a blast but living to tell about it. Cavi If you keep it up I can bet you will get pulled off. I CAN BET ON THAT.

[rmh77]

Hell the pad delaminated on my stream but as luck would have it Q-SHOTS feet got wet before he had a chance to hang it out and he always is checking his equipment. accidents happen. some people dont always know exactly what to check for.thats why we have screamandfly.

[350cavi]

well, as far as the 350 Cavalier goes, i took the time to make it safe, but still very fast and hard hitting. and thats great that yur mom has a boat with a 60, as i am sure she get enough booty calls that she needs to get to point A to point B quickly

[Skittles]

100 is never gonna be SAFE some just safer than others...don't ever assume that..........that WILL get you hurt

[350cavi]

"viper15" i don't really care wtf happens to me, as it's just a f**king internet site, there are plenty more out there, life goes on

[rmh77]

100 hell we lost one friend and another one almost lost his arm and they we runnin about 30 mph when the brand new steering broke. You would think new steering wouldnt fail and it was checked before operation.

[Skittles]

Just go find another site to make an ass out of yourself on then:rolleyes:

[350cavi]

"qshot-250" lol, you think you would still get hurt at 100, eh, DUH!! everyone knows that, but some boats have a higher "safe" limit at that speed

[Boz]

I have been watching you for the last number of posts and your last comment explains a ton. "I knew that this was going to end up like this"

This clearly shows your ignorance and disprepect for others. I really fail to see your point. You come on here and try to justify your remarks when 99% of all people on this particular thread have eons more experience than you do. Actually, it doesn't even take experience to comment on this post. All you need is a little class and you have none.

You weren't even a thought when I , or many others, were in your grade. All you need is some common sense Cavi, and you're making a complete moron of yourself.
If you EVER need help with anything in the future, I wish you luck getting it here if you continue to hold your ground. By the way.........you have no ground too hold.

If this was your brother involved in this accident, you'd be whistling a different tune.

Grow up.

[Skittles]

wasn't safe....with brand new dual cable steering.

[350cavi]

well, then don't buy **** products to go fast, thats all

[skidoo29]

cavi
grow up stop being an ass and learn some respect.
you are a disgrace not only to felow canadians but to the human race, especially with your last comment, why insult someones mother
appologize for that and drop the rest

everyone else quit egging the little guy on, thats what he wants
I know he's an ass but let it go already

warren

[Skittles]

you win cavi:rolleyes: One day I'll have the experience you have.

[350cavi]

if it was my brother that got hurt via he was the driver, i still would have said you ****ed up big, or what in the hell were you thinking, you know i could say more

[350cavi]

ohhh god you guys give up easily, shows how much heart you guys have

[rmh77]

THIS GUYS AN IDIOT!!!

[350cavi]

F**kin Americans

[DoktorC]

Best quote for this situation:

"Never argue with an idiot. He'll bring you down to his level and beat you with experience."

[Trikki1010]

No kidding :rolleyes: Not too many friends either

Why don't you harass some other website with your "Fountain of Knowledge". People tend to be a tight group here, and you don't like or seem to fit the mold.

Before you cause irrevocable damage to whatever you care about, be an adult.

If this is the wanna-be section, I'm content without your sniveling, period,

OR, better yet, look up the Adirondack Romp and bring your mouth, I'm sure there will be a shoe size to accomodate your needs;)

[pyro]

I just did a search on Cavi.

He has not yet contributed anything good to this forum.

Every now and then this happens. Someone shows up out of the blue and starts popping off about something they know nothing about.

I grew up on the water. When I was 9 years old, I was already driving a 16' Baja with a 150 by MYSELF. I know quite a bit about performance boats, but I'm willing to admit that I have a LOT more to learn before I can call myself "experienced." I would say that I am still new to the performance outboard sport, even to this very day.

CAVI: I was learning to jerk off while you were ****ting your diapers and playing with Duplo blocks. AS was stated above, you have NO ground to stand on, so SIT DOWN.

This matter is none of your business. You will NEVER get any frindly help from me on this board. When you treat people like this, they DO NOT forget...

-Chad

[350cavi]

and i'm for damn sure the guy hit somethng in the water

[350cavi]

won't have to worry about get help from this site, as there are many guys that respect me as i respect them, so don't worry about that, thats arealdy taken care of

[at100plus]

Greg give him the boot.

[Scream And Fly]

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